How not to lose with dignity — redux

A few weeks ago, Utah voters went to the polls to vote on a statewide school voucher plan. After failing in every single voucher referenda in the country over the last quarter-century, proponents thought they’d finally win one. As it turned out, not so much — the conservative state rejected the scheme by a wide margin, losing in every county in the state.

Overstock.com chief executive Patrick Byrne, a conservative activist who bankrolled the voucher campaign in Utah, told reporters that that the referendum was a “statewide IQ test” that Utahns failed. Byrne, describing Utah parents and families, added, “They don’t care enough about their kids.”

Obviously, Byrne is unfamiliar with the notion of losing with dignity, but more importantly, some Overstock.com customers saw the reports and decided to take their business elsewhere.

Yesterday, I heard from one of these customers, who contacted the company, asking to be removed from the Overstock.com database. This person heard back, and forwarded me Overstock.com’s response. (I’ve removed the names of those involved.)

I have unsubscribed you per your request. But I would like to resubscribe you.

I was a Soldier for over 21 years before coming to work at Overstock.com. I believe we all have a right and a duty to express our opinions about matters that affect the public good. People have died for that right. Patrick expressed his opinion that the voters of Utah made a bad choice, and he backed up that opinion with a series of thoughtful arguments. He did not call anyone stupid. The fact that he referred to “an IQ test” in his editorial was a rhetorical tool to get people to think and talk more about this issue and his arguments.

I fear the day when our republic is no longer a place where people engage in thoughtful arguments and counter-arguments. I am sad that Patrick’s thoughtful arguments have been met only with attacks on his character. I have known Patrick for 17 years. He is a good person, and a good citizen. I am proud that I can say the same about many of my friends, even those with whom I disagree at times.

Oh my.

To hear this company rep put it, being offended by Byrne’s ridiculous comments is somehow un-American, and to question his bizarre attack on Utahns is to question his “character.” Please.

The entire email reads like a surprisingly desperate spin. For example, when Byrne said voters had failed his “IQ test,” he wasn’t calling them “stupid.” No, of course not.

And the “IQ test” line was just a “rhetorical tool to get people to think and talk more about this issue.” Of course, Byrne made the remark after the election, which is an odd time to spur discussion about the already-decided issue, but maybe Byrne was thinking of the next statewide voucher vote.

The Overstock representative “fears the day when our republic is no longer a place where people engage in thoughtful arguments and counter-arguments.” That’s fine, of course, but his boss told reporters that people who oppose paying for private school tuition with tax dollars “don’t care enough about their kids.” Where’s the thoughtfulness?

The really shameless part of this was the exploitation of the military. The company rep not only emphasized his military experience, which had no bearing on the controversy, but also signed his email by putting his military rank first, his role with the company second. Shameless.

This need not be complicated — when a company’s CEO offends customers, shoppers go elsewhere. If Overstock.com didn’t want to lose business, its CEO shouldn’t have lashed out wildly at voters who support public schools.

Too funny!

I’d say the moron at overstock.com owes Ann Coulter a royalty check. He’s using the same bogus argument she uses, namely that anyone who takes any offense at offensive statements is somehow trying to stifle their right to make offensive statements, which of course are just innocent rhetorical devices that no one should ever be offended by.

  • This need not be complicated — when a company’s CEO offends customers, shoppers go elsewhere.

    Isn’t the above the same “business principle” cited for school vouchers? When pro-vouchers people stated it: “When schools fail their students, don’t parents have the right to have their children educated elsewhere.”

    Patrick Byrne is now learning a business lesson in pissing-off potential customers.

  • This is deceptively clever. Someday, everyone will understand the brilliance of Overstock’s leading role in revolutionizing business. You see, as it turns out, actually satisfying customers takes investment – that is, money that could otherwise be paying executives. But how can we reduce that need. . . hmmm. . . HEY! I know! If tolerance is a good thing, and America was founded on competing ideas, then it must be downright unpatriotic to not give business to those who offend you. Why yes, it is downright unamerican to take your business elsewhere just because you’ve been insulted by a vendor. Think of it! Now satisfied customers are a bad thing – too easy, not challenging enough for our pioneer spirit. If business just annoys its customer base enough, they’ll all have to show their American pride by buying more products and services from those businesses! Brilliant!

  • I wondered about the military reference too. Why mention it, and insinuating that voters didn’t pass their IQ tests isn’t an insult and then to suggest it means they don’t care enough about their kids was an additional insult by someone throwing a little temper tantrum because they didn’t get their way. Talk about minimizing and rationalizing these insults…just pathetic.

  • You know, I refused to shop at overstock.com for years because I *LOATHED* the skeevy “It’s all about the O” lady they used in their ads. Now I have another reason not to shop there. Thanks.

  • I think that Patrick Byrne’s comments are just as offensive as MoveOn’s “General Betrayus” ad, if not more so, but that ad was condemned by a joint resolution of the “Democrat” Congress.

    There are often economic consequences to exercising one’s freedom of speech. My wife was diverted off the management track at her company when she had the gall to ask what candidates the company’s PAC would be supporting with her contribution. (She didn’t contribute.)

    I avoid Coors beer because of the owners’ politics, and If I were attracted to pyramid multi-level marketing schemes, I would avoid Amway for the same reason. Lots of people who have choices avoid Wal-Mart for their politics.

    Sauce for the goose, Mr. Byrne.

  • I wondered about the military reference too. -bjobotts

    Well, conservatives hold any military service with the highest esteem. That’s why they treated Sen. Kerry with the utmost respect during the his 2004 Presidential campaign.

  • I won’t shop the big O any longer because putting your money where your mouth is is one thing…putting your mouth there because you have money – and being a jerk about it, to boot, is something else.

    I stopped using Dominoes Pizza when they funded Operation Rescue and I stopped using Blockbuster when they decided what adults could watch (if you’re over 18 [or 21 or whatever is legal age in your locale] and want to watch porn, go for it. I won’t support what I don’t personally believe in.

    Shame about O. I shopped there a couple of times and was going to again (as the need/desire arose), but there are too many others out there who offer the same kinds of stuff.

    I shop with my money and my American values (I know few people even remember freedom these days).

    Sorry Mr. B. If you want to take your kids out of public schools and pay for private schools, go for it. That’s your choice. To take funding from other children (which is all vouchers do) is completely another.

    I was raised in public schools and managed to skate through college with a 3.8. Public schools did OK by me and many others I know. If I choose to go the private route, then it is I who should foot that bill…not other children in my community.

  • “I fear the day when our republic is no longer a place where people engage in thoughtful arguments and counter-arguments. I am sad that Patrick’s thoughtful arguments have been met only with attacks on his character.”

    I wonder if he shared this sentiment with his friends when people who opposed the Iraq invasion were branded as traitors who should be executed.

  • Not to get all biblical and stuff but there is a great quote that came to mind about Mr. Overstock —

    “And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.” – Matthew 5:30

    Patrick Byrne offended people and now he’s getting cut off. That’s the market speaking and I can’t believe these guys don’t get that. But the great irony of the whole response by Overstock is that they are protesting offended customers using their dollar as a weapon by turning around and using patriotism as a weapon against the offended customers. Just precious.

  • Ah, another conservative playing the victim card. Repeat after me: freedom of speech means freedom from censorship, not freedom from consequences.

  • It gets even more entertaining. The Sunday after the election, Byrne wrote an op-ed in the Salt Lake Tribune pointing out that he didn’t mean to say that the voters were stupid, just insane:

    Most respectfully, I do not know what to make of adults who, when presented with an innovative plan to give options to Utah families, a plan heavily slanted toward low-income families, a plan which even its own detractors estimated would be limited to 0.3 percent of students and would not even be paid for out of the schools’ budget, collectively said, “Innovation? No way! Let’s just stick with what we have.”

    http://www.sltrib.com//ci_7492574?IADID=Search-www.sltrib.com-www.sltrib.com

    Surprisingly, that didn’t go over real well, either.

  • Patrick Byrne is an ass-kissing little chickenshit.

    And, he’s betraying us.

    Suck on that, “Americans have a right to make offensive statements” fuckers.

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