How the other side thinks

I read a lot of far-right blogs for one of my other gigs, and it occurs to me once in a while that most readers of progressive blogs probably don’t have a good sense of how the “other side” thinks. How do they perceive the same events that we see? How do they endorse ideas and policies that seem obviously misguided by our values? What’s wrong with them?

To help promote a broader understanding of competing ideas, I thought I’d pass along a post from AJ Strata, who was quite impressed with the president’s State of the Union address last night.

America is blessed – very blessed. We have had an amazing leader who believes in the wisdom of ‘we the people’. Through 7 years of attack from within and without. [sic] from across the aisle and from those too obsessed with purity in his party, President Bush has been a stalwart gentleman who has maintained dignity and honor for his office as those around him have collapsed into angry rants. The nation is going to miss George W Bush.

His SOTU speech tonight was probably his best. And it rested upon 7 years of accomplishments only his enemies, in hopes of diminishing him, will never recognize…. He has set the standard and no one in a Congress with half the approval rating he has is going to succeed in fighting Bush on this issue. He is using his political capitol [sic] as he should – fearlessly and with force of conviction. […]

Bush is a maestro…. The hyper-partisans left and right were thrust into bold relief tonight by a man who spent 7 years finding progress and making things happen. To the crowd which equated compromise as [sic] being a traitor (so were dems traitors to support our war efforts after 9-11?) he is their bane. He is the man who makes great things happen with out [sic] belittling others. We will miss you George W Bush. You brought honor and dignity to us, even though too many left and right were unable to (a) recognize this and (b) build upon it. While some refuse to see your gift and in fact work to destroy it many, many more do see it and will work to build upon it. We are the RINOs and DINOs and independents – and we are not beholding [sic] to party, we give our pledge of allegiance to America. We will keep the State Of The Union strong.

Now, I don’t want to pick on AJ. I’ve come to read his site every day; he writes rather well; and he is absolutely sincere in everything he says. It’s a quality sometimes lacking in conservative blogs, and it’s one of the reasons I link to him all the time over at the Blog Report.

I mention this, instead, because I suspect a lot of people wonder, when they see public-opinion polls showing Bush with an approval rating around 30%, what those remaining fans of the president must be thinking. Well, this is what they’re thinking.

No, I don’t understand it, either.

Speaking of other blogs…I hereby humbly submit my blog for future consideration…I’m betting that you are as tired as I am of reading the same blogs day in and day out.

  • Also from this blog:

    Anyone who supports massive farms of human beings who are destroyed by corporations to make money is not pro-life. There is an enormous difference between an individual woman making a decision regarding her pregnancy, her child and corporations slaughtering thousands of young humans which are not even ‘theirs’.

    That is nuts. What planet do these guys live on with all of these human farms? For the record, I am also against human farms.

  • Steve, this fellow DOESN’T write well. He’s terrible. I’m not talking about what he’s writing, I’m talking about his style.

  • Is there some point at which he points to an actual deed or fact to support his well written but substance free paean?

  • Steve, this fellow DOESN’T write well. He’s terrible.

    You should see some of his colleagues. How about this: he writes for a far-right blogger?

  • What planet do these guys live on with all of these human farms?

    I’m guessing he’s talking about In-vitro fertilization clinics. Just a hunch.

  • Well Rinos are short-sighted. Dinos are extinct. What is the acronym for independents in name only mean? Iino

  • I am not sure your title is accurate – it is impossible that these people actually “think”.

  • First, the other side doesn’t so much “think” as they do “follow blindly” and “react.”

    Second, as a professional writer, I can say with 100% confidence that this guy sucks. And if he’s good in terms of rightwing bloggers, then … well … holy shit.

    Last, I’m also against human farms. Although that’s more due to flatulence-created methane being sent into the atmosphere from those thousands of humans meandering aimlessly along the plains of … well, wherever the hell these farms are located. North Dakota?

  • uhh this guy is retarded. i have come to beleive that support for bush is a serioius character flaw, but his kind of praise is a sign of mental feebleness.

  • A year ago, on a visit to my brother-in-law and his wife in Illinois — who I knew were big Bush fans — I was nevertheless completely caught off-guard by the praise (adoration, really) heaped upon Bush by my sister-in-law. Trying to sugar out the situation on the plane ride home, I had this epiphany moment: No matter how weird it seems when someone appears to so completely miss the mark, it’s not a bad idea to remember that they, like us, are mostly people trying to do the best they can in a not-perfect world. It still amazes me, though.

  • AJStrata is a certified MORON.

    That guy believed that Iraq was involved in 9/11. He clung to it forever. And when that myth was finally debunked, he came up with this jewel:

    Saddam did have clear linkages to future 9-11’s. His history lined him up nicely with an organization he already had ties to and promises of regional coordination. […]

    Hussein is tied to 9-11 in that he was probably the one insane nutcase dumb enough to plan more 9-11s. Americans get it – the liberals never, ever will.

    http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/3565

    Despite all the evidence to the contrary, he believes a load of utter crap. Under his “thinking” we should be attacking every single leader who might support terrorists someday.

    And as of November 2007, he was still saying shit like this:

    “…as of 2002 Saddam had chemical weapons and sold is [sic] production capabilty to the Iranians

    …Hindsight seems to be showing us going into Iraq was the right thing for many reasons now.”

    http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/4651

    Got that? Saddam sold his WMDs to his arch enemies the Iranians.

    What. A. Freaking. Moron.

  • Maybe you need a series titled “I read right wing blogs so you don’t have to”…because your post reminded me why I stopped. But I still appreciate trying to understand how they think.

  • Sorry, CB, I have to agree with your critics here who refuse to give you a pass on commending the quality of this guy’s writing. I’d be embarrassed if my kid submitted something like that in high school English, though he never would because he’s way more literate than that.

    As for not being able to understand the delusional, I too have family members who heap praise on Bush even after all these years. I am firmly of the opinion that the coincidence of fervent religious belief and Republican support is no accident. In order to accept (on faith) the neolithic beliefs of religions (okay, Scientology isn’t neolithic, but there are always anomalies) while simultaneously living in the modern world with all its scientific wonders, you have to have an almost unbelievable tolerance for cognitive dissonance. You simply cannot have a synthesized personal reality when holding such contradictory belief systems at the same time. Thus such people can look at the mythical George Bush that they’ve swallowed whole and be completely blind to the damage he’s caused and the abject stupidity he’s displayed.

    So the question is not being unable to understand where these people are coming from. It’s a matter of not being able to comprehend how on earth anyone can be so blind to contradictory and disjointed belief systems, and be perfectly happy living with an unsynthesized world view. Indeed, that seems to be the ONLY way they’re happy, and why they’re so often very antagonistic to those with the temerity point out their inconsistencies.

  • Yeah I know human farming meant embryonic stem cells. But to call the disposed of embryos a human farm is beyond ridiculous.

  • CB: “No, I don’t understand it, either.”

    Here, we are beyond the realm of rational thought and into the realm of belief. Remarkably normal people believe all kinds of things inspite of a lack of evidence. They often continue to believe even in the face of contrary evidence. Religion comes to mind. Even my own religion. Pass the kool-aid, please.

  • beep52 @ 18 from an earlier post today about Pell Grants said:” we can all be reminded of what happens when children are taught to write but not to think.”

    Strata reminds me of Peggy Saccharine Noonan.

  • The guy’s initials remind me of Naval nomenclature:

    Ass, Jack, Stupid.

    This is what over-the-top bovine excrement is supposed to look like when it’s been lathered in 30,000 gallons of imported honey….

  • So why don’t they jail women for having periods if they want to jail doctors and labs for making babies?

    Anyhow, I don’t understand this stuff. When they finally get to a point that is based on some evidence, then you have to tell them that it isn’t. I’m not sure there’s anything to do about it.

  • I agree, it isn’t “good” writing.

    What I notice the most is that it speaks in generalities without any substantiation/specifics/facts.

    That is of course the major difference twixt Democrats & Republicans:
    Democrats tend to want facts based on logic and Republicans tend to want ideologies based on emotion (fear or other).

  • Further proof if proof was necessary of two facts:

    1. There are two forms of hairless biped on the planet: homo sap (this guy and his buddies) and homo sapiens (us).

    2. Computers are now so user-friendly that the bipeds lacking frontal lobes and opposable thumbs (i.e., homo sap) can use them.

    Speaking as a writer, this guy is like all the other right wingers you see “riteing”: the wonder is not that they do not do it well, but rather that they can even try.

  • “How the otehr side thinks” – nope, wrong title. More correct is “what the other side says.”

    “Think” is, as they say, “a fact not in evidence.”

  • CB, his writing is pathetic. What in the world were you thinking? Or smoking? 🙂

    It’s astonishing that someone could see the world this way, and it really makes me wonder about human beings. Are we all like this, and just don’t see it? Do all of us live a life of fantasy, that takes place inside our heads, and does not accurately reflect what really goes on in the world around us? Scary stuff. Food for thought. Great material for writers of fiction, or non fiction.

    This is why I’m so skeptical of this can’t-we-all-just-get-along crap we’ve been hearing lately. We just don’t see the world the same way or desire the same kind of society. And we’ve been dragged to the right for a quarter of a century. This is no time to make nice. Not until we’ve pulled the political pendulum back to where it was in 1980.

    That’s also what makes me a little nervous about Obama. I don’t want to go 50-50 with people who’ve had it their way for more than a generation.

  • […] a man who spent 7 years finding progress […] — Substrata

    Under the Optimistic Rug in the Oval Office, no doubt.

    “So why don’t they jail women for having periods if they want to jail doctors and labs for making babies?” — Crissa, @23

    Those eggs flushed down the tubes during a period had not yet been sanctified… er… fertilized; their full potential had not yet been realized. I’m pretty sure that’s the official answer. OTOH, I personally think that it’s really all about women being of lesser worth than men. It doesn’t matter if your eggs are flushed down the toilet; it only matters that you don’t spill your seed in vain (vide Onan)

  • His definition of honor, dignity, and integrity may not jibe precisely with ours. So many people believe GWB brought these qualities to the presidency simply because he didn’t get hummers in the White House (or perhaps ever). Amazing how often it comes down to nothing but sex with these people….He can destroy our country and its foundation, but as long as he keeps his pants zipped, that’s all that matters.

  • –He can destroy our country and its foundation, but as long as he keeps his pants zipped, that’s all that matters.

    That’s more than a lot of R congressmen and senators can say.

    More seriously, “finding progress”? You don’t find progress, you make it, and I’m not sure that “progress” he’s talking about unless he means progressing over the edge of a cliff.

  • Steve,

    To understand me you have to understand my roots. My grandfather was a US Congressman (D). I grew up a dedicated democrat – a Kennedy democrat. I voted for Carter over Reagan. And then Reagan put the lie to all the partisan BS from the left.

    I went independent because there are good conservative policies that work. But I have limits on how far I will go. When it became a choice between Ollie North and Chuck Robb I didn’t have to even think about it – voted for Robb.

    Bush is hated by the hyper-partisans left and right. He pissed off liberal and Michelle Malkiin and the folks at NRO. So from where I sit he has done really well.

    I can only remind you Lincoln was not admired in his day. Bush is no Lincoln, but you have to be able to step back and look beyond the emotion of the day sometimes. I don’t get moved by mob think – left or right. The more strident the less impressed I get. Move On and Mark Levin are slight shades of the same problem.

    Bush did really well and is a great President. I actually don’t expect most people to see the long term picture – that would not be the norm in history.

    thanks for the link – AJStrata

  • Bush did really well — AJStrata, @33

    He did? In which area? Not in the remedial speech therapy…

  • I can only agree that Bu$h did really well—for those who have profited from the demise of the Republic, and for the fact that no one has dropped a jumbo jet on Crawford, Texas—yet—and that no one has made the effort to drive a bayonet through his skull with an air-hammer—again, yet. From the audio replay of last night’s SOTU, I’m imagining more than a few in attendance who might have been thinking along those lines.

    He has taken healthy budget surpluses and exchanged them for record deficits.

    He has overseen the wanton politicization of numerous federal agencies.

    He has retained appointees who have knowingly lied to the People, stolen from the People, and violated the Rights of the People.

    He has pardoned a convicted felon without cause.

    He has failed to uphold the various laws as enacted by the Congress, and impeded numerous investigations warranted by the Congress by the Constitution.

    He has, via quantities of lies and deceits, subjected the Armed Forces of the United States to an aggressive, invasive war against a sovereign nation, in direct violation of the Geneva Conventions, culminating in the unjustifiable deaths of thousands of American troops and the ancillary murder of over 100,000 Iraqi civilians.

    He has forestalled justifiable oversight over numerous aspects of the domestic economy, resulting in the arbitrary inflation of subprime lending and risk-venture capitalization that has now brought the very core of the American—and global—economies to the brink of severe recession.

    He has impeded scientific progress and debate.

    He has diminished the ability for American youth to pursue the essential life-tool of post-secondary education.

    He has restricted fundamental social safety-net programs during an administration that has witnessed an increase in the number of citizens living in poverty from 12% to 15%—a 25% increase.

    He continues to deny healthcare to millions of American children at a time when the average cost of that healthcare has increased by 140%.

    He has permitted the city of New Orleans to continue to lie in ruins.

    Had this man been an employee at any private company or corporation on the planet, he would have been discharged for incompetence and imprisoned for theft of wages.

    George W. Bu$h will be named a “Great President”—when the citizens of Tel Aviv unanimously petition the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church to beatify Adolf Hitler.

    And even then, it will be a long-shot bet….

  • I went to his blog and read a few of the comments left there…. It is mind boggling. The loving words they have for Bush AND Cheney. It is just unbelievable.

    I don’t understand how they are capable of overlooking all the misdeeds perpetrated by Bush and his enablers. Yet they have no problems blaming ‘liberals’ for all the ills in America.

  • LOL!

    Bush did well for conservatives, which is so clear in the anger in every lefties eyes! Do you think ranting against him proves or disproves my points????? Yep, for those of us for low taxes, against ESCR, who support the war in Iraq, who support No Child Left Behind and Rx for Seniors…

    Bush did great, Not to mention conservative judges, etc. Why do you think you folks hate him so much? If he was a harmless screw up who did nothing to slow down the policies you support (think Bill Clinton) then you would not hate him so much!

    Something to ponder methinks.

  • Well, tax cuts for everyone over a certain income level and a new Minimum Alternative Tax that shafts the working classes even more, standing by as health care insurance doubles for the average family, plus the secrecy and opacity of his administration…

    I’m sure if you’re a wealthy dilettante sitting on a fat pile of loot, then you’re cool with Bush, but the rest of us who have to deal with what he’s done aren’t nearly as rosy eyed about him.

  • My guess is that AJ did a great many drugs in his salad days or suffered a traumatic head injury. He is probably a very religous person. Mental illness may also explain it .
    I can see no other possible explainations for his admiration of a sociopath who has destroyed our country.

  • I worry for your sanity….You are a better man than I. You really read this stuff all the time?

  • AJStrate

    I agree that you do have a point.

    Bush did deliver 2 conservative Supreme Court Judges, He vetoed Stem Cell Research twice, He cut taxes for the wealthy, and initiated the Faith Based initiative, etc…

    However:

    Do you believe that spending $11 Billion per month for the ‘war on terror’ in Iraq is worth it? If so… please explain.

    Do you belong to the top 10% income earners? If not, I don’t think you’re benefiting from Bush’s tax cuts.

    Do you believe that politicizing the Justice Department is OK? (Don’t argue that Bill Clinton did it too, because he did not do any of that)

    Do you believe that ‘eavesdropping’ on Americans BEFORE 9/11 was justified? How come he didn’t ‘hear’ any of the hijackers talking with each other and their supporters?

    Do you believe that outing a covert CIA agent for political reasons is justified?

    The Bush administration and its top officials lied 935 times between 9/11 and going to war with Iraq; do you believe that to be acceptable?

    Do you feel proud of all the corrupt Republican politicians who ran on ‘family values’ issues? Vitter, Foley, Craig, Delay, Ney, Cunningham, Stevens, Doolittle, etc…

    The list goes on and on….

    PS: the above are facts, not open for debate as if they didn’t happen.

  • CB: Based upon the writing sample included in your post and the comments that appear to have be left by AJ himself, I would not rate AJ’s writing even as “mediocre.” Rantings without reasoning and terms like “LOL” and “methinks” do not a good writer make. I usually find your judgement to be sound. Not this time.

    Damning JRS Jr w/feint praise: he is every bit as good as AJ Strata.

  • Reading Strata’s history only confirms that there is nothing so detestable as a zealot who converted from a previously-held philosophy. See Whorowitz, D. Strata comes (allegedly) from a solidly liberal upbringing, and by any measure has gone off the deep end on the opposite side of the spectrum. CB, I do hope that by linking to him here and drawing him into the discussion you haven’t encouraged him to stay. Seriously, AJ, please just go away. You will not be appreciated here. No, this isn’t censorship, just a plea to keep a square peg away from a round whole. Seriously, we’ll do fine without you. There are more than enough commenters here who at least attempt to argue rightist positions without the sort of wholesale delusion and true believerism you exhibit. Just pretend this site doesn’t exist. You’re clearly very good at pretending, that shouldn’t be much of a stretch for you.

  • Actually, AJ, your assertion that Lincoln wasn’t popular in his time is a recurring falsehood perpetuated by credulous & dishonest Bush apologists. Though we don’t have anything resembling approval ratings for that period, we do have one very significant piece of polling data: After the Civil War, just before his assassination, Lincoln was re-elected by a vastly wider margin than Bush had in either election.

    While I find your fulsome defense & enduring support for the least popular, most disastrous presidency ever, endearingly Quixotic, resorting to easily checked historical falsehoods does neither you or President Bush any credit. Perhaps, as you suggest, history will be kinder to Bush than contemporary assessments indicate. If so, it will not be assisted by baseless, specious comparisons to Lincoln.

  • If “this guy really believes in what he shittily writes” is some sort of endorsement, then I’ve got some homeless schizophrenics who deserve praise for holding fast to the belief that the CIA is communicating to them through fluorescent lights. And they don’t type “LOL!” to begin posts.

  • “I can only remind you Lincoln was not admired in his day.”

    Well, yes, by a certain segment of the public. But he was also respected at least by a much larger segment of the public. At least he had respect, and his dignity, and fought for a truly higher purpose in the face of events thrust at him, not created by him through deception and outright lies.

  • “Damning JRS Jr w/feint praise: he is every bit as good as AJ Strata.”

    It wasn’t feint praise–it is an actual compliment. JRS Jr. and Seaberry are ten times the writers CB claims Strata is.

  • If he was a harmless screw up who did nothing to slow down the policies you support (think Bill Clinton) then you would not hate him so much!

    Here’s your mistake.

    At least speaking for myself, I couldn’t really care less about “(Bill Clinton)”–my issue with Bush isn’t a partisan one, it’s an American one.

    And as an American, here’s how I see the legacy of the last seven years:

    –A stupid, tragic, pointless war that strengthened our real terrorist enemies and alienated most of the world, killed thousands of Americans and tens or hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, cost us a trillion dollars and counting, and put unprecedented strain on our military.

    –Despite nominal economic expansion for most of the period, we’ve seen significant increases in the number of poor Americans (most of whom live in households where parents work) and those without health insurance. And while it’s been an unprecedented golden age of corporate profits, real median wages haven’t budged. The rich have gotten richer; everyone else has gotten screwed.

    –We’ve gone from massive surpluses to historic deficits, and have put ourselves in considerable hoc to the Chinese who come the closest to rivaling the US on the world stage.

    –Our government has consistently put partisan (not even ideological) considerations over the public good, doing the same thing to the bureaucracy–stuffing it with hacks and loyalists–that Stalin did in the USSR of the 1920s. Every policy initiative, from “faith-based” social programming to the push to privatize Social Security, has been considered on the basis of politics rather than how best to serve the public interest.

    –We torture. With that alone, Bush and Cheney defecated on 220 years of the best American values.

    –The biggest problems Bush inherited when he took office, global warming and demographic/economic change, have gone entirely unaddressed while he’s played soldier/cowboy and tried to institute Karl Rove’s mad vision of “permanent Republican majority.”

    The president is supposed to serve the entirety of the American people. Bush has made it abundantly clear that those of us who didn’t vote for him them, and haven’t supported him at any point, don’t exist in his eyes.

    He is the worst president we’ve ever had, and it’s not particularly close.

  • You know, AJ reminds me of Matthew Harrison Brady in the movie Inheirit the Wind.

    For those who have never seen it, the short version: It’s a dramatized version of the Scopes Monkey Trial, complete with a fundamentalist (Brady) who can’t seem to fathom any reality other than what he’s read in the Bible.

    At the end of the movie, Brady winds up going into a barely-coherent rant, managing to hang himself with his own words. The others in the courtroom look at him with a mix of abhorrence and pity.

    Abhorrence that they actually thought Brady made sense at one time.

    And pity as he exposed himself as delusional, impervious to any reality other than his own, and wholly uncommitted to any truth outside of his narrow world view.

    AJ is similar — Sure, he seems like a person with strong convictions, and he obviously believes what he writes and says. But his own words display the truth: that he has a tenuous grip on facts and reality.

    No one has to really prod him that much — just give him the facts and watch as he falls apart trying to dispute them, twisting himself into a pitiful display of willful ignorance.

    It’s just stunning to me that someone absolutely refuses to let undeniable, provable, rock-solid facts penetrate his thoughts, deciding instead to just ignore them, lest they threaten to shatter the narrative he’s already created in his head.

    Quite frankly, it’s sad.

    Anyway … that movie just kept playing in my mind while reading the stuff on his site.

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