Huckabee goes nuclear, questions Romney’s religion

It was supposed to be the bridge that no Republican presidential hopeful crossed — attacking Mormon beliefs. Candidates are certainly free to go after one another on their beliefs, record, and agenda, but going after the religious tenets of a rival’s faith tradition is too low a blow, even by the GOP’s standards.

And yet, Mike Huckabee apparently went there anyway.

In an interview with the New York Times Magazine, to be published this Sunday, Huck admitted that he didn’t know much about Mormon theology, but did say this: “Don’t Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?”

In fact, as a spokeswoman for the Mormon Church told the Associated Press, Mormons believe that all are the spirit children of God, including all people as well as Jesus and Satan. “Christ, on the other hand, was the only begotten in the flesh and we worship him as the son of God and the savior of mankind,” said Kim Farah. “Satan is the exact opposite of who Christ is and what he stands for.”

Huckabee also demurred when asked whether Mormons are a cult: “I’m just not going to go off into evaluating other people’s doctrines and faiths.”

Except, that is, to suggest that Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers. Other than that, Huckabee isn’t interested in evaluating other people’s doctrines and faiths.

Now, I’m not an expert in LDS tenets, but by all indications, Huckabee is theologically wrong in even asking the question, but given the political climate, that’s hardly the most striking thing about the development.

Hugh Hewitt, an enthusiastic (oftentimes sycophantic) Romney supporter, raised a perfectly legitimate point:

No word yet on whether the former Arkansas governor asked if the Jews killed Jesus or if Catholics pray to Mary as a god.

Romney was less direct on the “Today” show this morning.

“…I think attacking someone’s religion is really going too far. It’s just not the American way, and I think people will reject that,” Romney told NBC’s “Today” show.

Asked if he believed Huckabee was speaking in a coded language to evangelicals, Romney praised his rival as a “good man trying to do the best he can,” but he added, “I don’t believe that the people of this country are going to choose a person based on their faith and what church they go to.”

I suppose we’ll find out if that’s true. As a rule, candidates who take cheap shots like this at rivals from their own party end up hurting themselves more than their opponent. But this one’s tricky — far too much of the Republican base really doesn’t like Mormons, and it’s possible that GOP activists won’t care that Huckabee is hitting below the belt when denigrating a faith tradition they already find offensive. Attacking Romney’s church, in other words, may not bother right-wing primary voters in the slightest.

For what it’s worth, a Huckabee spokesperson said the former governor’s comments were taken out of “context.” Unless Huckabee prefaced his Satan question by saying, “The kind of question I would never ask is…” it’s hard to see how the context could make this any better.

As for the broader picture, the incident is a reminder of Huckabee’s inexperience and lack of preparation for the big time. Unless he meant to take a shot at Mormon theology — which I suppose is possible — Huckabee wouldn’t have even asked a question like this if he were a competent, disciplined candidate.

“…I think attacking someone’s religion is really going too far. It’s just not the American way, and I think people will reject that,” Romney told NBC’s “Today” show.

Unless, of course they are a”
Muslim
Scientologist
Wiccan
Catholic
Other (than Christian or Jew)

  • Asked if he believed Huckabee was speaking in a coded language to evangelicals, Romney praised his rival as a “good man trying to do the best he can,” but he added, “I don’t believe that the people of this country are going to choose a person based on their faith and what church they go to.” He does realize he’s running in the REPUBLICAN primary doesn’t he?

  • in general, many ostensibly devout christians can’t wrap their minds around “all men are brothers”

  • “I don’t believe that the people of this country are going to choose a person based on their faith and what church they go to.” – Mike Huckabee

    That statement couldn’t be any more dishonest. Huck is hoping that Republicans will nominate him because of his faith. He has nothing else to offer.

    The Republican primary is going to get really ugly. I’ll start some popcorn.

  • I’m fairly familiar with LDS tenets since a few relatives on my dad’s side are practicing members of the church (with my mom’s side being Catholic … strange mix, eh?).

    In some ways it is a bit cult-like due to the extreme secrecy of their meetings and traditions. Granted, humans are social animals and most folks like being part of a group that seems special and unique to those who are part of it (fraternities and sororities, Free Masons, and other such groups are proof).

    But for a modern religion to keep so many secrets seems incredibly odd in this day and age, and gives the appearance that they’re hiding something. My relatives wouldn’t even tell me stuff when, in my younger years, I tried to find out what the church was all about. Instead, they just hemmed and hawed, and said I’d have to join to find out.

    They’ve opened up a bit in recent years — and now are aggressively marketing the church in print, radio and TV — but there’s still just too many hidden little things to make most comfortable with it. And the less people know, the more likely they are to speculate.

    I have to be honest, though, for some of the weird stuff they do (tracking down the lineage of everyone on Earth, baptism-by-proxy, etc.), saying that they view Jesus and Satan as one and the same is way, way off base. Of course, most folks know very little about LDS and will eat this kind of stuff up since they don’t know any better.

    It also goes to show just how whacked out we are as a nation — whether it’s Kennedy’s Catholicism or MIttster’s Mormon background, there is way, way, WAY too much focus on a candidate’s religious beliefs. Especially for a country that is supposed to be free of religious tests for office.

  • Oops. I should have read more carefully. Romney said that, not Huckabee.

    But Romney is wrong. Republicans probably will choose on that basis, and he’s in the wrong church.

  • Straight off the “Latter Day Saints” website. Quotes are from the Book of Mormon.

    We needed a Savior to pay for our sins and teach us how to return to our Heavenly Father. Our Father said, “Whom shall I send?” (Abraham 3:27). Two of our brothers offered to help. Our oldest brother, Jesus Christ, who was then called Jehovah, said, “Here am I, send me” (Abraham 3:27).

    Jesus was willing to come to the earth, give his life for us, and take upon himself our sins. He, like our Heavenly Father, wanted us to choose whether we would obey Heavenly Father’s commandments. He knew we must be free to choose in order to prove ourselves worthy of exaltation. Jesus said, “Father, thy will be done, and the glory be thine forever” (Moses 4:2).

    Satan, who was called Lucifer, also came, saying, “Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor” (Moses 4:1).

    Romney can believe what he wants and it won’t effect my vote, but Morman belief is a radical departure from orthodox Christianity which has never in 2000 years taught that Jesus and Lucifer are in any way “Brothers” of any kind or that Satan is a “son’ of God.

    If we really don’t care about our politicians religious beliefs then let’s quit asking them about them!

  • Martin: Scientology isn’t a religion. It’s a cult for morons founded by a has-been hack who bragged to at least five people I know personally before he did it that people are so stupid they’ll believe anything, that he coulde use all the ideas from his science fiction wiriting that hadn’t worked with the broader public, and get rich off the rubes as a result. L. Ron Hubbard is one of the great con artists of the latter half of the 20th Century, and the success of his “church” proves he was right in trusting Mencken’s observation that “no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.”

    As for the Hucklebuck, what does one expect from a Southern snake-handler? Has anyone wiped the sawdust out of his hair yet?

  • “…I think attacking someone’s religion is really going too far. It’s just not the American way, and I think people will reject that,” Romney told NBC’s “Today” show.

    Shorter Mittens: Open season on athiests and agnostics!

    In an ideal world the next GOP debate will devolve into an all-out brawl.

    If someone pulled Mitt’s wig off we’d know we’d died and gone to heaven.

  • The long religious knives are now out. Republicans opened the religion Pandora’s box, now they get to suck on the vile bile that spews forth. Thank you Mike Huckabee. We may well get to see Utah and Idaho Mormons turn their states in Libertarian Party strongholds.

  • Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
    (official web site)

    http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=4a10ef960417b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1

    —————-

    ENSIGN
    1986

    I Have a Question

    How can Jesus and Lucifer be spirit brothers when their characters and purposes are so utterly opposed?

    Jess L. Christensen, Institute of Religion director at Utah State University, Logan, Utah: On first hearing, the doctrine that Lucifer and our Lord, Jesus Christ, are brothers may seem surprising to some — especially to those unacquainted with latter-day revelations. But both the scriptures and the prophets affirm that Jesus Christ and Lucifer are indeed offspring of our Heavenly Father and, therefore, spirit brothers. Jesus Christ was with the Father from the beginning. Lucifer, too, was an angel “who was in authority in the presence of God,” a “son of the morning.” (See Isa. 14:12; D&C 76:25–27.) Both Jesus and Lucifer were strong leaders with great knowledge and influence. But as the Firstborn of the Father, Jesus was Lucifer’s older brother. (See Col. 1:15; D&C 93:21.)
    …That brothers would make dramatically different choices is not unusual.

    …We can only imagine the sorrow of our Heavenly Father as he watched a loved son (Lucifer) incite and lead a rebellion and lose his opportunity for exaltation. But we can also imagine the Father’s love and rejoicing as he welcomed back the beloved son (Jesus) who had valiantly and perfectly fought the battles of life and brought about the great Atonement through his suffering and death.

  • Another gem from the stalwart (upc)Huckster and his evr-present “VangeeSpeak code.” It doesn’t matter how he tries to spin out of this; the only reason to bring the issue up in the first place is to establish some form of “difference” between the “2-Testament” Xians and the “3-Testament” Xians. It’s the same issue that divides Shia and Sunni Muslims; one believes in an extra something-or-other while the other labels that believe an heretical act.

    Sounds to me as if the twirpish little SBCer from Arkansas might be trying to foment a little beneath-the-radar “jihad” of his own there….

  • Maybe there’ll be time after all this spritzing about ghost stories to deal with real issues, like, could Sleeping Beauty whup Snow White on American Idol?

    I cannot imagine any rational electorate taking up the question of whose idiotic superstition is superior. Of course, we’ve never seen one, have we?

  • Tom Said:
    “Scientology isn’t a religion. It’s a cult for morons founded by a has-been hack who bragged to at least five people I know personally before he did it that people are so stupid they’ll believe anything,”

    And that makes it different from a religion, how? Have you ever seen Benny Hinn or [fill in your favorite crackpot here]?

    The difference between a cult and religion is longevity.

    BTW, based on my few dealings with them (and a failed attempt or two to hack through Dianetics) I agree with your comment about their founder;>

  • I don’t think Religion should be off limits. I think the candidates should have to admit that they believe such irrational crap in detail. Let’s hear them say it.

    Do you believe Moses parted the Red Sea and how can we use that capability in modern naval battles.

    Do you believe Jesus walked on water and will research into that capability replace our dolphins-as-weapons program?

    Do you believe a supernatural being talks to human beings and how can we surveill that conversation?

  • Huckabee is a Religious Bigot

    and that is why I cannot vote for him.

    Who else were/are religious bigots? Terrorists, Hitler, who else?

    It’s that simple…

  • About the Jesus and Satan being brothers remark. The LDS’s answer was that Satan is the opposite of everything Jesus stands for.

    Having said that:

    Satan would torture, Jesus wouldn’t. Romney endorses torture.

    Satan would partake in and profit from war, Jesus wouldn’t. Romney’s campaign is being advised by a Blackwater executive (founder even), and we all know Blackwater is a private, for profit mercenary army.

    Those are but a few glaring examples of how Romney and most other professed “Christians” in fact act; in the exact opposite manner in which Jesus lived and wants us as humans to live.

    Following this logic then, there is no explanation for this behavior other than to say that Romney and the like are agents of Satan.

  • I just can’t help snickering. I really hope that the Republican nomination may turn on questions such as, “how many angels can fit on the head of a pin?” This could be the answer to the question of how to deal with the evangelical vote. They could self-destruct over esoteric doctrinal issues. Wouldn’t that be fun to watch?

  • The constitution states “…no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”

    What this means is that no law can be constitutional that requires or bars a specific religion as a test for office. What it does not prohibit is for any or all voters defining for themselves what is an acceptable religion as a test for office!

    Mormons believe that all descended from man – including God & Jesus & Satan. To ask or state that Mormons believe that Jesus & Satan are brothers is not a wild misstatement.

    While we can discuss whether Evangelicals are grossly misguided or not, it is their right to believe what they believe. What I would dispute is whether they have the right to cram that crap down the throats of anyone who is not one of them.

  • The Huckster Bigot – Hucky is a Bigot – Huckabee the Huckster

    The topic is about Huckabee, the huckster. He is a bigot.
    No one is perfect in this presidential race. If you’re looking for perfect, you’re not going to find it.

    When you look at their actual WORK – Romney is an amazing executive – looking at his resume, I would absolutely trust him to run my “company” (look at his track record, his actual work & success) and if I’d let him run my company, you better believe I would let him run the COUNTRY.

    Huckabee the Huckster is soft on Crime (releases criminals who shout Jesus), too soft on ILLEGAL Immigration (wants to give my tax $ to illegals), I had to pay for college out of my pocket, I’m still paying back student loans and Huckster wants to steal money from my pocket to give freebies to ILLEGAL (came into the country illegally) IMMIGRANTS. We’re not talking about all hispanics, just the illegal ones, that snuck into the country to drain our country through signing up for every free government give-away they can get, bringing drugs into the country, etc.

    The Dems must be sitting back loving the fact that Conservatives are bickering over what Mitt Romney’s religion believes. This is a dumb thing to get caught up on. Look at the candidates actual work & accomplishments. HELLO!!!!!!

    Who cares how Mitt Romney prays, or who he prays to, or how he worships Jesus? As long as his actions in office are for the betterment of the people he serves as a political leader!!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE. Conservatives are wasting time on trivial issues – WAKE UP – WAKE UP – WAKE UP!!!!!!

    Our country is being overrun by illegals. We have terrorists that hate us and want to bring the war to us. We will not have the luxury of debating religion, tax codes, health care, and other things if we are flooded much more with illegals.

    This is how terrorist are moving into place. It is like a chess match. They are positioning their players by sneaking in through our unprotected borders, while Americans argue about their flavor of Christianity. We’re asleep and we better wake up!!

  • Check out this cartoon, the one Mitt doesn’t want you to see.

    Stick a fork in him. Harry Reid and Orrin Hatch can get away with it locally, but woe unto the Mormon who dares aspire to the White House.

  • Millions_of_people are paranoid crazies, but must they post here? Just when it seems the Paulites are quieting down, the Mittsters take up the slack. Sheesh! I long for the good old days at CBR before all the nuts came out of the woodwork.

    Now excuse me while I go grab my rocket launcher. I’ve got some drug-totin’ terrorist Mexicans I gotta go hunt.

  • Huckabee was correct that Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers! Check this out from the Official LDS Website:

    “On first hearing, the doctrine that Lucifer and our Lord, Jesus Christ, are brothers may seem surprising to some—especially to those unacquainted with latter-day revelations. But both the scriptures and the prophets affirm that Jesus Christ and Lucifer are indeed offspring of our Heavenly Father and, therefore, spirit brothers.”

    Here’s the link (it’s the second bolded question down the page):

    http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=4a10ef960417b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1

  • Wow, “President Lindsay” is a perfect shining example of Americans being asleep at the wheel. Let’s play it all off with unfunny attempts at humor. Yeah, lets sit back and wait – That is so smart. If you close your eyes, Lindsay, maybe nothing bad will ever happen. What a cute little fantasy world you live in. Is there global warming in your cozy little world?

  • Is it just me, but I want to know what Mitt believes in. Fuck all the political correct non-sense, he is in a religion I am not familiar with and I want to know. I can read this or that from their website, but I need to hear the words out of his mouth.

    He needs to answer some questions:
    A) What are his views on creation.
    B) What are his views on the apocalypse.
    C) Is religion front or back seat in his governing.
    D) Basically if the shit hits the fan is Mitt praying or governing ?

    I want to know if he is as crazy as Huckleberry. Have we really reached a point where religious questions are off the table when said religion is unknown to nearly all the population. I know more about Muslims the Mormons.

    I think it’s all non-sense and voodoo, but I think inquiring minds want to know if we are looking at another GWB, Kennedy, or Huckleberry in what could possibly be our next President. Romney will never get elected until he give us some peace of mind.

  • Actually, Millions, I’ve got global warming covered. Now I can devote my time to huntin’ wetbacks. ‘See you at the border. YeeeHaaa!

  • According to standard, “orthodox” Christian doctrine, Mike Huckabee is brothers with Hitler, Stalin, Judas, and Osama Bin Laden.

    In light of the way he conducts his life and the things he says, I would have to go with standard, “orthodox” Christian doctrine on this one.

  • “President Lindsay”
    Go to MySpace and make your cartoon statements there.

    “ScottW”
    You sound like an angry person. How will knowing more about Mitt’s religion change your life? Instead of worrying about his Sunday school lessons, why don’t you look at his actual accomplishments, his governing in the past, his success and triumph’s as a leader in business and our country.

    Today has felt like a trip through the twilight zone. It seems like I’ve woken up in 1950 and all of a sudden it is socially acceptable to be a bigot and belittle an entire religious group based on ignorance.

    Dog the Bounty Hunter was nearly publicly hanged as he sobbed his eyes out on TV in embarrassment for “appearing” to be bigoted in a very very private phone call. His job went away, and he was called out publicly by many, – – –
    meanwhile, today, a Presidential nominee and thousands of other backwoods bigots have exposed themselves as raging bigots about the Mormon church.
    With today’s excruciating level of walking on eggshells to not accidentally hurt the feelings of every little perverted group of wackos out there, taking PC to the highest level today, how is it that the Mormons seem to be the last group that you can still publicly belittle and make fun of, without the rest of the public pointing out this bigotry and requiring these people in the national spotlight to sob on TV, begging for forgiveness?

    Does anyone else see this double standard? Is it now acceptable again to belittle and make fun of groups? If so, what religion is each person on this message board? I’ve got a few questions for you… >:)



    If Mitt was Jewish would you ask him if his people killed Jesus?
    If Mitt was Catholic would you ask him if he prays to Mary as a God?

    Quit with the cartoon questions and get to the real issues.

  • I think this sums it up fairly well for the GOP candidates “the incident is a reminder of [GOP candidate’s name] inexperience and lack of preparation for the big time.”

  • Hell it even says in the Bible (that collection of fantasy stories of morality told around campfires for generations and finally written down lost, remembered, and written down again after edited books were burned etc.) that God created Satan and Jesus…so wouldn’t that make them brothers?

    Hukabee knew exactly what he was doing…pandering for that Christian right vote. He is a narrow minded fanatic who is also a bigot striving for a theocracy while denying others religious legitimacy in our democracy that he supposedly supports. The real Huck is coming out. Ministers of any faith should never be allowed in politics. They automatically flunk the liberty and justice for all clause. They always try to drag the pulpit into public office because they’ve already taken an oath of office.

  • ***well millions***if you’d let Romney run your company then you must be one of those self interested selfish people who say screw the environment and the poor or the middle class. They just were born in the wrong place at the wrong time…Making money is all that counts…build more prisons for all the poor and muslims, hell we need more gitmos, I”m all for economic slavery if it increases the bottom line. Shallow enough for you…good then welcome to Mr. phony-baloney price fixing corporate monopoly I’d let him run my business Romney. Have some super underwear. Remember, guilty as found by association, no alleged guilty here…more gitmos. Protect the wealthy, they’re the only ones that count.

    Does Hukabee believe in Leviticus…then you must stone your children to death.
    No religious litmus test because the bible is filled with hypocrisy…NO…because it’s unconstitutional. Morality is the only test here…this nation was built on moral principles which are common to all religions.
    Hukabee needs to remember that this is NOT a Christian nation,…it is a nation of Christians and Jews and Catholics and Mormons and Muslims and Buddhists and Wiccans and…etc, fill in the blanks. Take your pulpit and go back to preaching in your church Huck, where you belong.

  • We needed a Savior to pay for our sins and teach us how to return to our Heavenly Father. Our Father said, “Whom shall I send?” (Abraham 3:27). Two of our brothers offered to help. Our oldest brother, Jesus Christ, who was then called Jehovah, said, “Here am I, send me” (Abraham 3:27).

    Like bjobotts@35, I’ve been under the impression that God was all here was at one point. Archangels, Jesus ad Satan were all his creations. Creators are parents of sorts and therefore, Jesus and Satan and all creations with consciousness could be seen as children of God. As Satan is typically thought of as male, that would make him and Jesus brothers. No big leap there. Merely a different analogy

    That said, the book of Mormon calls Jesus “Jehovah”. My understanding is that Jehovah is a variant of
    “Jahweh” the proper name of the Hebrew God “I am”.

    I previously said Mormons were seen as heretical in that Jesus was seen as a servant of God, a creation, and not one and the same as in those faiths that follow emporer Constantine’s “trinity” doctrine, but this phrase puts me in doubt. Does the book of Mormon support the trinity? It’s vague, but then, so is the New Testament. Do Mormons interpret it that way?

    If they accept the trinity, is the only diff between them and other Protestants, the underwear?

    Millions@23.
    Relax. They’re just people who want to make 10x the money they could back home. Shoot, they LIKE us, mostly.
    That said, employers need to be getting fined big time if they hire illegals so we can bring in the folks on the waiting list that the INS has already cleared for citizenship. Problem is, then they could vote, unionize, and sue. So employers don’t want them then.

  • The religious community wants to have its cake and eat it too.

    They demand a place for religion in the public sphere. They condemn secular voices as ‘godless’.

    Then they demand that their religions should be exempt from public consideration.

    This is a straight out contradiction.

    Two better positions:

    1. Demand a voice for religion in the public sphere and then welcome a discussion of candidate’s religious ideas and their pertinence to public life;

    2. Demand that whatever role religion plays in motivating public speech, the speech itself should have secular intent (that is, be translatable into secular language that can be grasped and considered by all citizens regardless of belief or non-belief).

  • Liberalism is a mental disorder.
    1. There is no such thing as separation of church and state.
    2. It’s Freedom OF religion – not Freedom FROM religion.
    3. Democrats are pushing for Socialism, which is the short step before Communism.
    4. The Democrat party left me, I didn’t leave “it”.
    5. All 3 Democrat potential nominees are basically the SAME.
    6. A vote for a Democrat is a vote for Socialism/eventual Communism and dependence on Govt.
    7. Nationalized health care would make hospitals even more like a dirty old post office.
    8. Can’t raise taxes on the rich – impossible – they’re the business owners, they’ll just raise prices.
    9. Taxing the RICH causes inflation on the poor – It’s a dirty trick, don’t fall for it.
    10. If you don’t like minimum wage, do what I did, struggle through community college, gain a skill /trade and put yourself in a position to be worth more than minimum wage. Besides, minimum wage jobs are for younger people.
    11. None of the Republican candidates will bring their religion to office, the liberal media wouldn’t allow it.
    12. Huckabee lies about being a bigot
    13. Romney used to be ok with abortion, had a change of heart & mind – record of voting for keeping babies alive. (and this is the biggest “gotcha” they have on him. He’s the next Reagan)
    If you start aborting horses, would PETA get pissed?
    14. Thompson has the heart for the job, he could beat Hillary.
    15. McCain – you make me sleepy.
    16. Tancredo – Would make a great VP – a champion for enforcing our laws & protecting our borders. A country with no borders is no country.
    17. Rudy – You went Petty – I don’t know anymore…

  • Scribes, Pharisees and Huckabees! Hypocrites!!!

    What a bigot is Huckabee! He pretends to now know much about the Mormon faith (probably sponsored his own anti-Mormon cult classes), and then naively questions a doctrine out of context that he knows would be incendiery!

    He is alienating the very people whose support he needs if he somehow gets the nomination! That is 6 Million less votes he should have in a general election!

  • To answer in bjbotts question in part, my understanding of LDS doctrine on the trinity is as follows: LDS believe in the trinity in that there are three personages[as the name implies]. God the father, Jesus Christ[and they do use that as his name as in the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints] Gods only begotten son, and the Holy Ghost. They believe them to be 3 seperate personages but to be one in purpose. This makes understanding why Jesus on the cross saying Father forgive them… a little easier to wrap your head around, or the fact that Jesus referred to his father in heaven. It’s hard to work through that one if they’re one in the same person.
    As far as Hucklebee goes, I believe he is pandering. How could you believe otherwise. He’s very good at it. I wonder about his use of campaign funds for a Christmas message? He’s pretty slick at what he does. He’s push polled here in Iowa and also in NH. I believe even if his vote for me because I’m the Christian candidate ploy works to win him the nomination, the facts behind his unsavory record in public office which are surfacing, and the fact that s he will have alienated enough of the GOP base to lose to the Dems.

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