Huckabee likens abortion to ‘holocaust’

October 21, 2007

Following up on an item from a few days ago, it’s worth remembering that former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee may be a favorite of the religious right, and media figures like David Broder and David Brooks, but he’s still unhinged.

Speaking before a gathering of Christian conservative voters, GOP presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee said legalized abortion in the United States was a holocaust.

“Sometimes we talk about why we’re importing so many people in our workforce,” the former Arkansas governor said. “It might be for the last 35 years, we have aborted more than a million people who would have been in our workforce had we not had the holocaust of liberalized abortion under a flawed Supreme Court ruling in 1973.”

Huckabee also spoke adamantly of the need for conservative lawmakers to show no compromise on fighting for a constitutional amendment that defines marriage between a man and a woman. “I’m very tired of hearing people who are unwilling to change the constitution, but seem more than willing to change the holy word of God as it relates to the definition of marriage,” he said.

“Holocaust“? Does legalized abortion run the risk of eliminating all of humanity?

As for the notion that reproductive rights are somehow responsible for immigration, that might fly on far-right blogs, but when presidential candidates — considered credible and serious, by some — start sharing this nonsense on the stump, you know there’s a problem.

And on the church-state front, Huckabee believes we have a choice between changing the “holy word of God” or changing the Constitution — and he clearly prefers the latter.

I appreciate the fact that Huckabee is charming. He plays bass, he goes on The Colbert Report, and he tells amusing anecdotes during the debates. But it’s worth remembering, from time to time, that when it comes to social policy, this guy is on the fringe.

In the last 35 years 1.4 million have died in automobile accidents.

There’s not a person sitting in that auditorium listening to the Huckster who doesn’t know someone whose life has been dramatically altered by a car crash.

Suggestion to the we-burp-Bibles crowd:

If God had wanted mankind to drive he wouldn’t have given him legs.
Open up your maws and preach it!

  • the truly scary thing about huckabee is that for long stretches of time during interviews, he can come across as perfectly normal. and as we all know – although you can’t fool all of the people all of the time – in american politics, all you have to do is fool enough of the people one or two times!

  • I think all the polling suggests that Americans want to control their own reproductive destiny; there are a lot of people who might themselves not make the choice to abort, but having an understanding of the struggle that takes place, would not presume to have that choice taken away for anyone else.

    What people like Huckabee fail to appreciate is that most people do not regard abortion as a form of birth control, but a last resort. Keeping it a last resort means giving people more education, and relatively unfettered access to birth control. It also means addressing the economic impact of having a baby on those bringing it into the world. When women feel, or know, that the only thing that matters to the anti-choice crowd is not aborting, and that there is no network of support after the baby is born, you have women opting to abort. When people do what they think is the right thing by having the baby, they can end up feeling punished for that decision when their financial struggles get a “Gee that’s too bad, but don’t expect the government to help” reaction.

    I have two words for Huckabee, and they are the same words a lot of women have for him: Back off.

    The questions for Huckabee and the rest of the Back to the Stone Age crowd are many. Why are they not fighting with as much passion to end poverty? Why are they not as strident on the destruction of the environment? Why are they among the loudest cheerleaders for a war that has killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people?

    I’m sorry, people like Huckabee may be “nice” and “charming” and as affable as all get out, but that doesn’t make their antediluvian philosophy more platable. As one person, he is certainly entitled to his beliefs, but this is not the man I want nominating judges, for example, or expanding the Christian crusade to other Muslim countries. He isn’t the person I want setting policy on science and education, or appointing people who will carry it out. He isn’t the person I want setting the Justice Department on a crusade against those defying his religious code.

    Would that someone in a debate, or in a Huckabee audience, ask him if he’s not afraid when traveling that his vehicle will just fall off the edge of the earth.

  • Holocaust. Riiiight. Because, like, Americans believe that fetuses are genetically inferior, and that having babies dilutes our nation’s purity? Because babies are part of a historical conspiracy to control all the money? Because the government is rounding up fetuses and putting them on trains to camps where fetuses are either gassed or forced to build munitions for the war effort while being starved to death?

    What an ass.

    Getting past his choice of words, supposing just for the sake of argument all those aborted fetuses had grown up into happy, healthy members of the workforce, what’s his explanation for the other eleven million illegal immigrants in the country?

    As long as Huckabee talks about losing weight, or other non-policy things, he seems sane and smart. But once he moves on to public policy, he reveals he is a scary, dangerous person.

  • Equating the struggles of the many women who have had to face the very difficult decision of whether or not to have an abortion with the systematic persecution, torture, imprisonment, and extermination of millions of people by a facist state intent on world domination even if it means the destruction of the entire population of the world.

    Yeah, that’s the kind of guy we need in the White House.

  • “It might be for the last 35 years, we have aborted more than a million people who would have been in our workforce had we not had the holocaust of liberalized abortion under a flawed Supreme Court ruling in 1973.”

    Well, we can look at the recently released WHO study on abortion which says that the abortion rate doesn’t change much whether it’s legal or legal. So maybe by now, we’d have a thriving underground abortion business, about the same number of people would have been aborted, and fighting abortion would be about as big a success as Prohibition and the War on Drugs and the Iraq war.

  • I used to think that there was potential for everyone not on the reactionary right to make political hay over the right-wing War on Sex. (Not to mention it would be beyond fun to see Bill O’Reilly, always up for barking about the War on Christmas but a known perv in his own life, having to grapple with this one.)

    But I concluded that, even though it’s almost certain that 80-90 percent of the country really doesn’t want Christatollah Dobson, Psycho Perkins and the rest of that crowd in our figurative or literal pants, for some reason we don’t have the self-confidence to say so at the volume needed to win political fights on the point.

    Still, this probably disqualifies Huckabee from winning much support among the socially moderate suburban mom types Republicans need for victory. They’ll go with Hillary, whose “nanny state” tendencies even the O’Reillys can’t argue include finger-wagging at one’s junk.

  • No sense stressing education, anti-poverty, or enforcing the laws against deadbeat dads, even free daycare when you can stress good ol’ fashioned Punishment. Have any of the Huckabee’s of this world ever thought that there’s be fewer abortions if people knew that the child would be provided with health care and that Mom would be able to keep her job? And Huckabee-forfend that these harlots actually educate themselves.

    Huckabee and his dear Christian friends seem oblivious to the fact that people like to screw – whether it’s wise to do so or not. They condemn those who get abortions and they sneer at unwed mothers. That they are more than willing to put those women who become pregnant into the dilemma of whether to get an abortion or to raise the child and live in poverty speaks volumes about their lack of humanity.

  • Huckabee’s statement is ambiguous. There have been more than a million abortions each year since 1973, more than 45 million in total. That is a lot.

    I can appreciate their argument. Most of these people truly believe abortion is murder. They just do. They think God creates a life at conception, and willfully destroying it is murder. I suppose, from the perspective of their beliefs, that that is true.

    So, more than 45 million “murders” does constitute something of a holocaust from their point of view.

    I don’t believe what they do. I’ve done a fair amount of research on fetal development and have satisfied myself that a 12 week old fetus is not a thinking, feeling human being by any stretch, so I’m quite comfortable being pro choice.

    But I just can’t help but appreciate what these people think. It all stems from their religious beliefs. It seems to follow logically that if God creates human life at conception, then killing a fetus is murder.

    I don’t see any resolution but to eliminate abortion through education and contraception.

  • Sounds like if Huckabee wants to get rid of abortion, he’ll have to outlaw surgery and murder every surgeon in the U.S. If he just imprisons everyone who knows how to do an abortion procedure and outlaws/confiscates all written material showing how it’s done, some surgeon will just invent it again when some guy accidentally impregnates his mentally ill wife who shouldn’t be pregant.

    I wonder what kinds of things people like this would be plotting to do if a few of them got a lot of power in the U.S.? You know, people who are into doing a lot of repressive things that couldn’t even work out, and they don’t eve know it. Could be nutbags like that would definitely be plotting to do a lot of nutty things, and would be very dangerous, no matter how normal they tended to pass themselves off as.

  • In Eskimo communities where food was very limited, hunters (the only food producers) faced a lot of job hazards such as getting lost in storms, and falling asleep while hunting and falling into icy water, infanticide when a couple had more than one child was a common practice. But it was practiced because if everyone had as many children as they wanted, it would destroy their communities.

    Similarly, humans kill full-grown humans when we have disagreements with foreign nations over vital interests, disagreements that can’t be solved through negotiation, and the individual soldiers would get along with us great if they knew us in person or don’t even really understand why they’re fighting us.

    The future we’re going into is necessarily different that anything we’ve known before. It’s going to prevent many challenges, only some of which are already identified and being thought about. It could be we’re going into a future where not allowing abortions of children women don’t want to have is what would cause an unsolvable problem, and that it’s a greater good to allow the abortion of individuals who aren’t developed enough to appreciate their lives yet.

  • Will Huckabee support a Constitutional Amendment to eliminate hunger and malnutrition? Will he support a Constitutional Amendment to ban poverty? Will he support a Constitutional Amendment to provide healthcare for every American?Will he support a Constitutional Amendment to ban homelessness?

    Why not? those four things, combined, take the lives of more American children—that doesn’t include the adults; we’re just talking about the children—than have all the abortions performed since Roe v. Wade.

    Combined.

    But—the question remains: “Why not?”

    Because Huckabee—as with any candidate of the GOP—is nothing but a fool with a microphone. He’ll say whatever pleases his audience. He’ll show compassion to his audience—and his audience ONLY. He will pander, and promote, and prostitute himself to the hardcore right—and be damned with whatever’s good for America.

    Huckabee claims that he wants to be President of the Republic. What he really wants, however, is to the Chief Mullah for the American Taliban.

  • Like what if a bunch of people who were convinced that African Americans are a really big problem for our country– even though the rest of us get along with African Americans fine and realize they’re pretty much like anyone else, and even professors and people who are in a position to have an idea of the big picture aren’t against African Americans– got a lot of power in this country, and a lot of people (even a lot of liberals) had no idea how extreme they really were? What if you couldn’t really prove a lot of their core, real intentions because they were only expressed in private conversations, not in documents or Internet pages or public statements?

    There really wouldn’t be too many things you could do about those people.

  • Look, we can’t force our Religious convictions upon others. It seems to me Christianity is the only religion that actively goes out to convert everyone to their way of thinking. I’m a businessman and I can tell you that if you have a product that is really good it will sell itself.

  • Gee, thanks Huck. Just last night I said he was the “least unhinged” of the R candidates (admittedly a backhanded compliment if ever there was one). Now, based on todays CBR posts, I still think JulieAnnie has him beat in terms of unhinged-ness, but still the Huckster is getting pretty far afield here. he needs to go back to playing bass.

  • Let’s not forget he’s one of the two left in the pack who DON’T believe in evolution. Or else he does but is just pandering to the fundie base. Either way, he doesn’t deserve a vote, because he’s either a liar or a dunce. And we’ve already had both for 7 years. Enough already!

  • I’m with Ted @14 and 15. Two other things, though: the word “holocaust” is now so over used as to becoming meaningless. There are always overtones of “my holocaust is holocaustier than your holocaust.” And the other thing is that, though I’m a long-time, unwavering supporter of choice, I’m simply unwilling to write off those who believe it’s too horrible to be a choice. I’m sympathetic without agreeing — in the same way friends who are okay with the death penalty are sympathetic towards my strongly held anti-death-penalty belief.

  • “I’m very tired of hearing people who are unwilling to change the constitution, but seem more than willing to change the holy word of God as it relates to the definition of marriage,” he said.

    As Ted said, five words that should immediately make this man ineligible for being president. He doesn’t know or understand the constitution.

    Separation of church and state. Five words Americans should try to remember.

  • The numbers he’s using include every known miscarried pregnancy and calls that ‘abortion’.

    It’s sickening.

    Also sickening that he’d accept someone’s children treated as second-class citizens for pliable, low-wage labor.

  • One more deranged Republican who thinks he speaks for God.

    I say…let God speak for, or defend him/her/itself and let the rest of us defend our constitution and our Earth from the Corporate and brainless alliance takeover.

  • In his narrow minded bigoted brain 6 cells in a petri dish is a human being. This fanatic would make masturbation against the law. That’s a human being that could have lived.

    Too bad he’s not concerned about all the innocent loss of Iraqi life. The millions missing in the work force aren’t from fertilized aborted eggs…they are from all the dead soldiers and victims of our wars.

    In his mind every abortion is a talking baby. Their billboards show a 9mo. fetus in the womb.. the reality is entirely different.
    This from a guy who denies the availability of contraceptives which reduces the number of abortions immediately. This from a man who refuses sex education and wants instead the just say no policy or the “promise” to stay a virgin. The things he could do now to decrease the number of abortions he refuses to do making him as responsible as those seeking abortions of unwanted pregnancies by his refusal to help with preventing pregnancies in the first place. He is past the fringe he’s just another ‘Jesus Camp’ boob who want irrational followers so they brainwash them before they are able to think for themselves and fill them with fear and self-righteous condemnation teaching them to ignore reality and rational thought. A president who might fall down speaking in tongues at a UN meeting is a sight I hope I never have to see or even consider a possibility.

  • Unfortunately, I don’t think calling Huck part of a “fringe” is accurate. Somewhere between 30% and 40% of the population would agree with him. As sorry as that fact is, 30% isn’t a fringe. The basic problem is that his worldview is based on faith.
    I looked up “truth” in my little beaten-up paperback dictionary. A statement or proposition is true, it says, if it corresponds to reality. What is faith? To take something on faith is to accept it as true when no evidence supports it, or even when evidence contradicts it. In other words, to rely on faith is to reject reality, to live in a fantasy world. How did this ever become acceptable?
    It became acceptable because the Christian church has run a 2000 year propaganda campaign claiming the ability to have faith, to believe something to be true when reality shows it isn’t, is a virtue. During the Greek Classical and Hellenistic periods this idea would be mocked and scoffed at. It still deserves to be. Paul was laughed out of Athens.
    I can’t find a candidate that truly embraces rationality, but the ones that seem to revel in their choice not to think need to be characterized as such and rejected.

  • If I apply the mentality of Pat Robertson to what’s happening in the GOP today, I’d have to say that “God is wreaking his wrath upon the GOP for their incredibly stupid sins. They’ve committed atrocities against God, the planet, the people, and everything else—and tried to use God as justification.”

    Personally, I think God is going to “open up a great big can of whoop-a$$” on the GOP.

    Smiting never looked so good as it does right now. Pass the popcorn, please….

  • You want a holocaust? I got two words for you, Republican war supporters- Depleted Uranium.

  • I won’t argue with you. I’ve tried and you just don’t get it.
    Life is sacred. Until all you ‘intelligent’ people create it,
    you don’t have any moral justification to destroy the innocent.
    I pray someday you will learn the Truth, it is the only way to be free.
    Maybe an intro to philosophy class will help in the meantime.
    You folks are really ignorant….

  • Steve said: If I apply the mentality of Pat Robertson to what’s happening in the GOP today, I’d have to say that “God is wreaking his wrath upon the GOP for their incredibly stupid sins. They’ve committed atrocities against God, the planet, the people, and everything else—and tried to use God as justification.”Personally, I think God is going to “open up a great big can of whoop-a$$” on the GOP.Smiting never looked so good as it does right now. Pass the popcorn, please….

    Here’s just one example….Steve….you’re a hypocrite. You know why? Because you’re going to sit there on your big, fat a$$ and eat your popcorn….aren’t ya? You wouldn’t lift a finger to help someone get a glass of water. But you’ll sure want to be the BMOC when it comes to putting down the person trying. You are an arrogant a$$ that can’t stand yourself. Go and make this a better world….ok? You’re one reason maybe we do need abortions….to bad we didn’t waste you in the womb….really did we gain something by allowing you to live?

  • President PNACcio said:You want a holocaust? I got two words for you, Republican war supporters- Depleted Uranium.

    Well what do you know…we ended the war with Japan with two nuclear bombs. Terrible, but probably saved countless of our soldiers lives. You know what though…one of them might have been your grandfather….hey we could have wasted you then. Too bad….but I know you think that your shit doesn’t stink…well it does.

    Look, zip head…we all agree that depleted uranium was a mistake….get over yourself.

  • T Hurlbutt said: Unfortunately, I don’t think calling Huck part of a “fringe” is accurate. Somewhere between 30% and 40% of the population would agree with him. As sorry as that fact is, 30% isn’t a fringe. The basic problem is that his worldview is based on faith.
    I looked up “truth” in my little beaten-up paperback dictionary. A statement or proposition is true, it says, if it corresponds to reality. What is faith? To take something on faith is to accept it as true when no evidence supports it, or even when evidence contradicts it. In other words, to rely on faith is to reject reality, to live in a fantasy world. How did this ever become acceptable? It became acceptable because the Christian church has run a 2000 year propaganda campaign claiming the ability to have faith, to believe something to be true when reality shows it isn’t, is a virtue. During the Greek Classical and Hellenistic periods this idea would be mocked and scoffed at. It still deserves to be. Paul was laughed out of Athens. I can’t find a candidate that truly embraces rationality, but the ones that seem to revel in their choice not to think need to be characterized as such and rejected.

    Show me one atheist running for President. Faith is a gift….I know that’s not in your little dictionary. Maybe you should open your mind and read some other books?
    Your stupidity is amazing….however from the looks of this posts you have alot of company. In the meantime maybe you should thank the people who had faith in the unseen that gave their all for you to be your nothing self. You folks are the best argument for abortion….what a non-life you must be.

  • Evergreen said:One more deranged Republican who thinks he speaks for God. I say…let God speak for, or defend him/her/itself and let the rest of us defend our constitution and our Earth from the Corporate and brainless alliance takeover.

    Another winner….God does speak….mouse brain….you just don’t hear. Belief doesn’t require proof….get it? you have beliefs….they’re just based on your limited experiences.
    Hey…really want defend the earth…go abort yourself.

  • Crissa said:The numbers he’s using include every known miscarried pregnancy and calls that ‘abortion’. It’s sickening. Also sickening that he’d accept someone’s children treated as second-class citizens for pliable, low-wage labor.

    Awww….it’s only ‘miscarried’…but with a new twist..there’s some rational…lets save the poor people from an awful life….we wouldn’t want them interfering with our fun….would we?
    It must be awful being you….maybe someday come out of your comatose.

  • MsJoanne said:“I’m very tired of hearing people who are unwilling to change the constitution, but seem more than willing to change the holy word of God as it relates to the definition of marriage,” he said. As Ted said, five words that should immediately make this man ineligible for being president. He doesn’t know or understand the Constitution. Separation of church and state. Five words Americans should try to remember.

    Now here’s the really hare-brained, shucks missed another good reason to abort someone.
    I am so tired of your stupid revisionist history lessons. What do you imagine it means to be Blessed with liberty? Hey, don’t want you to have actually read the Constitution…but why don’t you try it once? Liberty comes from….?????……Our Creator….yes, as stated in the Declaration of Independence….you know….Life, Liberty…endowed. Well, maybe you weren’t fully aborted….maybe they just sucked out your brain and you lived anyways.

  • steve brenen – I’m going to stop with you…because obviously you’re the reason these frat boys have all these ignorant ideas posted on your website. You know, I’ve heard it rationalized that abortion is good because all we’re really doing is killing little ‘black’ babies.
    Who’d want those…huh? You are the ultimate disgrace of this country…I am so glad that I am not you. You will answer to, not to me, but there is promise that you will have to answer someday….and you know Who to.

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  • “I’m very tired of hearing people who are unwilling to change the constitution, but seem more than willing to change the holy word of God as it relates to the definition of marriage,” he said.

    I’m very tired of hearing people who are unwilling to uphold the constitution the way office holders of federal executive positions are supposed to swear to do when they take office, but seem more than willing to force others to live by the holy word of their Invisible Sky Fairy as if it had some sort of legal relevance or weight.

    I don’t care what your BuyBull says, and legally, I don’t have to, nor should I be forced to do so. Any candidate who thinks to try and legally require me to do so will be opposed by me in any way I can think of.

  • MsJoanne

    Speaking of the constitution… Could you please point out where it says the words, “separation of church and state?” I will give you a little help…

    http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html

    Have a look under the first amendment. Guess what? Those words are not there. What is there is the antiestablishment clause. I don’t think Huckabee or anyone else is doing anything that would qualify as establishing a state religion. He is simply publicly stating his beliefs. I think it is the first amendment that gives him the right. You don’t have to like it or vote for him. As far as I know we have not yet passed a law that forbids a Christian or any other person of faith from seeking the white house.

    Before we get into a debate about imposing religious beliefs on others through public office, we have been imposing beliefs about murder on each other for a while now. Huckabee believes that human life begins at conception. Two points there is a fetus not human or is it not alive? Or is it, just maybe, human life? Should we be allowed to kill this living human being? Is this a question of religion or our very humanity? 40 million aborted fetuses want to know.

    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5212a1.htm#fig1

    From another document that might be familiar…

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    Please pardon the “Creator” business, for now lets just focus on Life as an inalienable right.

    If we are going to rail about knowing our documents lets make sure we know what we are talking about. If we are going to revise the constitution, there is a process for it (that to which Huckabee is referring). For now, let’s read it and interpret as it is written. If the USSC had done so in 1973 we would still be having this debate.

  • Before we get into a debate about imposing religious beliefs on others through public office, we have been imposing beliefs about murder on each other for a while now.

    Straw man argument. Imposing religious beliefs does not equal imposing beliefs about murder.

    Huckabee believes that human life begins at conception.

    Good for him! I repsectfully disagree, but have no problem with him believing what he does. As long as he does not feel he has the right to force his beliefs upon others (or what he believes are others).

    Two points there is a fetus not human or is it not alive?

    It is a potential human that is not able to live on its own. IMHO.

    Or is it, just maybe, human life?

    Maybe, someday, it could become a human life.

    Should we be allowed to kill this living human being?

    Objection! Assumes facts not in evidence. Equates beliefs to be the equivalent of facts.

    Shouldn’t people who have to go through the process get to decide if they want to go through with it or not?

    Is this a question of religion or our very humanity? 40 million aborted fetuses want to know.

    It is a question of religious individuals trying to make their beliefs into the law of the land.

    If you don’t want abortions, don’t have them. But don’t try and make your beliefs force others to live by them. I notice that those who make the anti-choice argument forget about the flip side of the coin. Do you think it is a good thing to potentially bring 40 million children into the world who are potentially unloved by those who conceived them and will be forced to raise them, potentially abused by those unfit to parent them, and/or potentially forced to endure a life of poverty without hope by those unable to afford them? Do you think it is a good thing to force women to go through a pregnancy that they were forced into? For the child or the parents? Do you think it is a good thing to force pregnant women to potentially lose their lives by bringing a problematic pregnancy to term?

    And by the way the first amendment says Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; which seems to me to mean that any religion cannot be required or prohibited by law. And, when people like Huckabee use their BuyBull to require things from his religion be enacted into law, I see a clear violation of the first amendment. I would see the same thing if Judaic law or Shaira law were tried to be enforced by the government.

  • Tom: It is not a religious question. Stop it! It is a social and moral question. What are we doing to the fabric of humanity, when we abort life? One beliefs, whether religious or not, only inform that question.

  • Tom: As far as your question, is it good to bring 40 million babies into a imperfect world?
    We willl never know! Your beliefs have already decided that question.

  • Tom: It is not a religious question. Stop it! It is a social and moral question. What are we doing to the fabric of humanity, when we abort life? One beliefs, whether religious or not, only inform that question.

    Paul: It is not a question that you can drag your BuyBull into to prove/disprove anything. Stop it! It is an individual choice, informed as much as possible according to the abilities of the parties involved. What have we been doing to the fabric of humanity, when we force others (based on the writings in a big book of religious fairy tales) to risk their lives to bring a life of pain and suffering into the world, and seek to control others’ personal freedom of choice by enforcing that belief in law?* One‘s beliefs, whether religious or not, should only inform that question.

    Tom: As far as your question, is it good to bring 40 million babies into a imperfect world? We willl never know! Your beliefs have already decided that question.

    My beliefs have nothing to do with it, you silly man! That was 40 million individual decisions which I have had nothing to do with, despite my fervent belief that it is right to give each individual the choice – for, after all, it is primarily they who will have to deal with the consequences of the actions they choose – whatever they may decide.

    * – among so many other things that organized religion has sought to enforce by law over the eons that I would imagine doctorate theses could be written on the subject…

  • Tom: that’s right your ‘fervent belief’ has removed their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and silenced the voices of 40 Million. Thus a ‘holocaust’.

    Of course with your third grade education, I’m pretty sure you will argue again that ‘your’ beliefs have nothing to do with this, although you just said it is your belief ” that it is right to give each individual the choice”…so I suppose you mean, except in the womb?

  • Since there are no individuals in the womb, your religiously insane rantings have no meaning.

    Nice of you to duck the question at hand again, and insert your theological nonsense into the discussion again. Maybe you could conceive of what it would be like to have 40 million more unwanted, unloved humans with no hope of making their lives better hanging around america today? Oh that’s right – your ‘fervent belief’ prevents you from considering the possibility.

    Once again for the brain damaged religiously insane, I had nothing to do with anyone’s abortion. They made the decision to do so all by themselves. Nice of you to scapegoat someone you don’t even know for it, though. Seems to be SOP for Republican’t scum these days…

    I can see how a home schooled Republican’t moran would consider someone who has a university degree to have a third grade edumacation. Considering the difficulties with logic you have displayed in this comment thread alone, I wonder when you’ll get to third grade level?

  • Again, you ‘believe’ there are no individuals in the womb. And who are you to tell me that 40 million were predestined to a miserable life? That is insane, for you to ‘predict’ their life experience.

  • 42. On October 23rd, 2007 at 3:17 pm, Paul Thompson said:
    Again, you ‘believe’ there are no individuals in the womb. And who are you to tell me that 40 million were predestined to a miserable life? That is insane, for you to ‘predict’ their life experience.

    No more (and probably considerably less) insane than someone thinking that a clump of cells is the same as a functioning independent human.

    And who are you to tell me that your beliefs should be taken as fact? That your christian fairy tales have any semblance or bearing on reality? That those 40 million fetuses would have turned into 40 million happy, healthy members of society? It’s more insane of you to reject the theory outright, with no factual reasoning to back up your beliefs, than it is for me to consider the possibility that those fetuses might not have had the best of lives if they had managed to become viable human beings. Keep your pagan ritualistic superstitiions to yourself! It’s bad enough that I have to deal with the constant intrusion of religious insanity into my life as it is. Even after I have specifically asked them to stay away, do whatever you want to do, just keep it out of my face (as is my right as a citizen of this country).

    Nice of you to duck all the questions yet again, and commence with the ad hominem attacks. Yawn – standard Republican’t kool-aide drinker stuff here.

    Smarter religiously insane Reich wingnut ditto monkeys, please…

  • Clump of cells….if that lets you off the hook…believe it, but it’s not algae.

    And I’m sorry that religious people are trying to control you…really.
    That’s not Christian…I’m just hoping to help you better inform your beliefs.

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