Huckabee rejects ‘internet driven drivel’ about Obama

As unsuccessful presidential candidates go, Mike Huckabee has done a fine job of keeping himself in the spotlight. He’s a Fox News contributor; he’s formed a new political vehicle for himself; he raised a few eyebrows with his bashing of Libertarians; and he even defended Barack Obama once his former pastor starting drawing media attention.

And now, Huckabee’s a blogger — with some advice for his party on how to approach the general election.

What I am saying is that we need to challenge Obama on the basis that his ideas are the wrong ones — not attacking him personally. If people spend their time repeating a bunch of internet driven drivel about his middle name (he didn’t choose his anymore than I chose mine), or his race (I do sincerely celebrate that our country has moved to a place where a person’s race doesn’t limit him from aspiring to the highest office in our land, but I just believe that due to his proposals and lack of substantive experience, he’s gone far enough — not because of his race, but because of his sincere, but misguided proposals), or his church (there are far more important reasons for us to elect Senator McCain than where Obama went to church).

Politics ought to be VERTICAL and Obama’s ideas will not take this country UP, but DOWN. I think he is a sincere and obviously a very intelligent and charismatic person. For us to deny that is foolish. Our focus should be to logically and systematically explain why ideas really do matter and why some are bad for those struggling as it is to pay the rent.

Elections ought to be about elevating the best ideas and exposing the worst ones — not engaging in character assassination with half truths, innuendoes, and disputable “internet facts.”

I have to admit, all of this sounds quite nice. Huckabee thinks Obama’s just wrong. That’s fine; given Huckabee’s ideology, he’s supposed to think Obama’s wrong. Huckabee doesn’t much seem to care about identity politics and nonsensical email chains. He thinks Republicans are offering one set of ideas, Democrats are offering another set of ideas, and Republicans’ pitch is superior. That, and nothing else, is what matters.

I find all of this quite endearing, even though I’m certain there’s no way on earth Republicans will follow Huckabee’s advice.

The problem isn’t that Republicans are somehow evil, malicious people who enjoy character assassination for sport. There may be some who fall into this category, but not many.

Rather, Huckabee’s notion of a pure battle of ideas/agendas won’t work because voters … how do I put this gently … don’t like Republican ideas/agendas. GOP attack dogs need “character assassination with half truths, innuendoes, and disputable ‘internet facts'” because the polls are telling them that without these tactics, Republicans don’t stand much of a chance.

If, to borrow, Huckabee’s example, someone is struggling to pay the rent, that person is probably not going to be drawn to the candidate who wants tax cuts for millionaires, has rejected increases to the minimum wage, and has an awful healthcare policy. That same voter, however, may hesitate if they think the better candidate was trained at a madrassa and shouldn’t be trusted because of his middle name and lack of flag lapel pins.

I’d be absolutely thrilled if Obama’s detractors decided there was no need to attack him personally. But they realize — and I suspect they’re right — that without smears, Obama’s going to win.

Good for Huckabee. This won’t really change anything: his party will still pursue these tactics because they have to as you say. Hey, Huckabee himself may later push anti-Obama smears himself at some point in the campaign despite this post now, wouldn’t surprise me. But good for him for saying this nonetheless.

  • Huckabee’s action here is commendable, but I suspect that what he’s really doing is setting down a marker: if/when the Republicans get crushed this year despite wallowing in slime, he’ll be able to say that he told them so, and he’ll be in prime position to serve as the face and voice of the post-Bush/McCain Republican Party.

    Given that Huckabee’s enemies in the party are the Norquistians–the faction that desires to drown government in a bathtub while billionaires splash around in the bubbles–I wish him all the best in his intraparty war.

  • “The problem isn’t that Republicans are somehow evil, malicious people who enjoy character assassination for sport. There may be some who fall into this category, but not many.” – CB

    Well, actually, yeah, they are. They like to drown kittens, too. (Just kidding!!!!!)

    Bravo to Huckabee for providing one of the few sane comments in this insane season. He will, of course, be immediately thrown under the nearest bus by his fellow party members, but it was a valiant effort.

  • Thanks, Huck. You’re right. The problem is which McCain ideas do you want to defend? The even day ones or the odd day ones? As I recall you found yourself on both sides of a few issues, too.

  • Republican candidates seem to be more comfortable running on symbols and labels rather than on issues or ideas – even though they “label” themselves as the “party of ideas.” Huck is exactly right, even though he is smart enough to see that his fellow Republicans will only laugh at his advice.

    So – what dajafi said.

  • Huckabee’s pandering for a spot at the national table, once Obama wipes the table with the tattered, threadbare dish-rag that was the GOP.

  • Huck keeps surprising me, favorably. He’d be a horrible President, but I think he’s someone I’d enjoy as a friend, no matter how much we disagreed. One minor Huckabee story. When I’m listening to the Mets, the station drifts (very cheap radio, but easy to carry when i am doing other things). Sometimes I have to put up with a sentence or two from Michael Savage — ptui — but sometimes I get another station specializing in ethnic broadcasting, mostly at that time Jewish programs. Huckabee, entirely without publicity, was a speaker at a local synagogue holding a holiday celebration — it was later than Passover, maybe Shavuos?

    The key was ‘without publicity.’ He wasn’t there to ‘get votes’ but just to do what was right — and maybe to show Jews not all Christians were Hagees.

    If his head worked a fifth as well as his heart, I might even have seen him as a possible President. (Of course, if his head worked as well as his heart, he’d be a Democrat.)

  • I can almost hear the wingnut heads exploding. The second most popular GOP candidate is telling them that most of the “information” sources that they have access to are a bunch of moronic jerks.

    KAPOW.

  • What basis (other than ideology) does Huckabee have for his insistence that Obama’s ideas will be bad for this country?

    After all, for most of this decade we have essentially been a one party state, with Republicans holding almost all the power (especially given the craven and weak-willed Dems who took back “control” of Congress in 2006) and given a free pass & much cheerleading from a complicit & complacent media. The Republicans have essentially been able to do whatever they have wanted to do from 9/11/2001 to the present. And they have made an utter hash of EVERYTHING they have touched. The vast majority of the population knows full well that their lives have been impacted, in a horribly bad way, by these past few years of unopposed Republican rule. Even self-styled conservatives are starting to admit it. So exactly what basis does Huckabee have for his remarks?

  • Once the Democrats become the predominant party, they will eventually go the way of all those who are untrammeled, towards corruption. At this point the only alternative will be the Republicans.

    If you don’t believe me look at Great Britain or even the US where the Republicans managed to hold onto the corruption for 8 years before finally being ousted. Lord Eglin’s meme still holds.

    Nonetheless, who do you think will be there to pick up the pieces in 2020? Mike Huckabee and the more acceptable Republican party.

    This won’t happen if McCain is elected. Then he will pick up the pieces in 2012 😀 as the Democrats will have self destructed by mid-term.

  • Another reason, and a good one, to like Huckabee.

    His strategy has another flaw, though. A lot of voters have noticed that there is huge disparity between the ‘ideas’ that Republicans spend so much time talking about on the campaign trail and the actual results of Republicans running the government. The idea that cutting taxes increases revenues and decreases deficits is as beautiful as it is seductive. However, now that we’ve cut taxes, set a new record for deficit spending and hit the $9,000,000,000,000.00 mark for national debt, and still gotten ourselves into a recession, people are taking a second look at that whole ‘cutting taxes increases revenue’ idea. This problem is ubiquitous for Republicans.

    “We need to spy on you to protect your freedoms.”

    “Deregulation is good for miners and the mortgage industry!”

    “The solution to our fossil fuel problem is more fossil fuels!”

    “Protect your children with abstinence-only education.”

  • Well,…..there is a huge disparity between the “ideas” that the Democrats have touted since getting the majority in Congress and what have they accomplished in all that time?….ZIP, ZERO, NADA! Alot of empty promises and hot air…..
    Give me Mike Huckabee any day…he’d be a welcomed breath of fresh air for this beleaguered nation! And who knows??? Maybe all you who “kinda like him” would get to know him like millions of us who have followed him for the last two years..and finally come to realize MIKE is our only glimmer of hope! If elected, the extreme liberal, puppet and inexperienced Obama is just going to take us down the toliet, folks! You and I are going to be taxed to death in order to implement his bizarre and destructive plans to “GIVE” to the less fortunate by way of big government spending….and his view on national security…just plain HORRIFYING!

  • 6. On June 23rd, 2008 at 12:55 pm, Upper West said:
    So much for Huck’s VP Prospects. What’s a VP for if not to sling the mud?

    It might be naivete on my part, but my thoughts are the exact oppsite.

    Mike Huckabee seems like a nice enough feller, but I disagree with enough of his ideas that I’d never want him to be in a position of influence or power (I’d be glad to “have a beer” with him and tell him why I think he’s wrong, and if he were amiable enough to have a beer with me in the first place, he’d probably tell me why he thinks I’m wrong, we’ll have a few laughs, a few terse words, and both walk away thinking good enough thoguhts about the other guy – good guy to have in your corner, shame that’ll never happen).

    But for a lot of voter, being likable IS enough. And a lot of people who don’t like McCain DO like Huckabee. He still drew votes way from McCain AFTER McCain became the presumptive nominee. People who are unenthused by a McCain Presidency, ESPECIALLY Evangelicals, could really be persuaded by a Huckabee VICE-Presidency, especially considering McCain’s advance age. Joking aside, Huck REALLY WOULD BE “one heartbeat away from the Presidency.”

    And by Huck constantly saying we need to keep above negative attacks on Obama – knowing that the negative attacks will never ever stop – he comes across as gracious, giving the GOP a shot at attacking ANYONE who then attacks the Huckster. One user comment in the Dailykos and it’ll be all “After all the nice things he said about your blackety-black candidate, you all think THAT kind of crap about the future Vice-President? Well F*** YOU! It’s WAR!” You know how these pussies are.

    So yeah, what Huck’s saying probably gives him a better shot at being a Veep candidate – AND does more to improve McCain’s odds in the fall (though how much I’ve no idea) than it does damage his chances at that shot.

  • “The problem isn’t that Republicans are somehow evil, malicious people who enjoy character assassination for sport. There may be some who fall into this category, but not many.”

    Yeah, but why is it that these assholes are the ones with the most-heard voices?

  • These “negative attacks” are continuing to be aimed at McCain by Obama more often than the other way around. So who is attacking who, here? And, whenever there is any kind of disagreement on ideas, etc..Obama MAKES it appear like it’s a personal attack on his race…which is so lame. Stick to the issues, OBAMA! The truth and the bottom line is….you are inexperienced, way to liberal, and very naive.

  • I think his argument crumbles the moment he starts to use dog-whistle words like VERTICAL in describing the virtues of the GOP.

  • Aside from a plethora of positions contrary to my way of thinking, I like Gov. Huckabee. If he is going to stick around, however, his near constant use of “vertical” and “horizontal,” is going to drive me around the bend.

  • Who would ever have thought that the most reasonable person in the GOP would turn out to be the theocratic creationist? If only he hadn’t been indoctrinated with a bunch of fundanmentalist nonsense as a kid, Huck could have been one hell of a populist Democrat.

  • Well,…..there is a huge disparity between the “ideas” that the Democrats have touted since getting the majority in Congress and what have they accomplished in all that time?….ZIP, ZERO, NADA! Alot of empty promises and hot air…..

    You forgot “but Clinton did it, too!”

    Its true that if you look at any politician or group of politicians, you will likely find a great many examples of where their words before they are elected are contradicted by their actions after they’re elected. And if you’re planning to vote for Ron Paul, or Bob Barr, or Ralph Nader because you have correctly perceived these weaknesses in both the Donkeys and the Elephants then more power to you.

    However, I wasn’t merely pointing out instances of hypocrisy or policy not matching rhetoric with Republicans, I was drawing attention to FAILURE. If we stipulate that the Democrats have done “ZIP, ZERO, NADA,” as you so eloquently put it, that is a direct contrast to the problem Republicans have to overcome, which is that they’ve implemented their policies with either meek and ineffective resistance from Democrats or, more often, full and enthusiastic support of Democrats and the policies have failed.

    Huckabee, McCain, Gingrich or anybody else is free to continue to espouse the value of Republican ‘ideas’ like the ones I indicated above and probably a dozen more that I could come up with. The problem is, voters are starting to notice that the RESULTS of these ideas are BAD for America.

    But good luck with that.

  • You know Governor Huckabee, there are plenty of Conservatives from the Club for Growth (Greed) and the Chicago School of Economics who believe YOUR policies and ideas are just wrong.

    Could you please be a bit more specific? Or is the problem just that Senator Obama is a liberal Democrat and you don’t have the time or ability to actually dispute any of his policies?

  • I always find it interesting that so many people find Huckabee like-able and wouldn’t mind having him for a drinking buddy or friend in general, but abhor the thought of him in any kind of political leadership role because of his “crazy, creationist, fundamentalist ideas.”

    Huckabee is a man of integrity. Most people are not. Most people live theoretically in one worldview but practically in another. His consistancy is what makes him like-able. It is also why he would make a great national leader.

    Integrity is the basing of one’s actions on an internally consistent framework of principles. Depth of principles and adherence of each level to the next are key factors. One is said to have integrity to the extent that everything one does is derived from the same core set of values.

    Huckabee actually believes what Jefferson wrote in 1776, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.”

    “America is the only country in the world that is founded on a creed,” G.K. Chesterton observed in What I Saw in America, written around the turn of the century. “That creed is set forth with theological lucidity in the Declaration of Independence…”

    It is theological lucidity that formed the basis of this great nation. What’s so crazy about that?

  • Huck’s problem is that the GOP’s ideas are horrible and horribly unpopular. See Rove today on characterizing Obama as a country club elitist. That’s more likely to be the playbook than the suicidal war of ideas Huckabee proposes.

  • Very nice —a great writing on the reality of political posturing as it relates to reality, not the simple Party Posturing we are told to bow ourselves down to.

    Don’t confuse clear pictures with air brushed fantasy.

    RACE: Obama is not a black man and will not be the great black prize if he wins. He is mixed race. This is not an attack. It is truth that our media at large will ignore because it must be sensational to sell. He will not be the first “black” president. 50%Caucassion/Kansas + 50%African/Kenyan= Mixed Race.

    TRUTH: McCain will struggle here and blink his eyes every time he skirts the truth.

    VP Obama is perfect with Jerry Springer–4 years of circus training and an appeal to the lowest common denominator.
    VP McCain and Judge Judy. Atleast one will tell the truth and we’ll get action in 30 minutes.

  • 17. On June 23rd, 2008 at 2:08 pm, Roberto said:
    These “negative attacks” are continuing to be aimed at McCain by Obama more often than the other way around. So who is attacking who, here? And, whenever there is any kind of disagreement on ideas, etc..Obama MAKES it appear like it’s a personal attack on his race…which is so lame. Stick to the issues, OBAMA! The truth and the bottom line is….you are inexperienced, way to liberal, and very naive.
    _______________________________________________
    In Roberto’s world, rain falls up.

  • Huckabee is a breath of fresh air–or at least he doesn’t stink of rancid politics. As a socially left leaning and fiscally right leaning moderate, I was very surprised to find I really liked Mike Huckabee. He is a man of highly uncommon common sense and common courtesy who promotes his message in an entertaining and engaging manner. When he speaks, people listen–possibly because they are waiting for the punch line.

    By the way, when he talks about Vertical Politics, he is not describing the Republican Party, He is describing what he would like to see in the Republican Party.

  • Yes voters may not really like all or most of the Republican agenda – whatever that is now. However, Republicans don’t actually know how to fight a battle of ideas anymore. They have become so fixated on developing their personal attack muscles that their idea attacking muscles have atrophied from disuse. Add to that the younger GOPers were weaned on this shit and don’t know any better while the old timers got booted (al la Chafee), went to jail or close to it (Delay, etc.), or just gave up the ghost (Hagle).

  • For CB:
    “Politics ought to be VERTICAL and Obama’s ideas will not take this country UP, but DOWN”

    This is Repug code referring to the Bible. I forget its exact meaning, but with CB capitalizing Vertical, I know he knows the code. This is not me escaping the looney bin code, but real Repugspeak to their bible thumping lovers.

    Just like when King George said that Iraq is only a comma, not a period: bible thumping Repugspeak because the bible says that until Gd puts a period on something, it is still ongoing and only a comma in time- got that craziness?

  • wow, a Republican who wants to debate issue/policy and principles. Too bad he didn’t get the nod from the wing-nuts, they might have a fighting chance in November if they had. Though I think his whole Christian stance was a bit too evangelical for Gov’t. It will take more than a signing statement to change the Constitution, Huckleberry.

  • Commendable, my ass.

    He’s not talking about making the campaign policy-based. Those are the words he uses, but they mean nothing. Huckabee is positioning himself for 2012. He’s saying: ignore the smears. Gaze into Obama’s eyes. He loves you. He may be wrong, but there’s nothing _that_ wrong with being wrong. He’s a fine person and worthy of consideration.

    This is where Huckabee wants to take the electorate because Huckabee can get elected on a personality-based ticket, one that does not face examination of personal problems such as his rabid, dog-killing son, the pet rapist he let out because Limbaugh said so, and god knows what else we didn’t find out about him. Huckabee seeks to invalidate the use of smears because Huckabee has real and various skeletons he wishes to keep in the closet. In Huckabee’s case, the “smears” are true. In Obama’s case, the smears are false.

  • sigh…
    pet rapist, meaning “favorite rapist,” like “teacher’s pet,” not “one who rapes pets.”

  • I believe that, in 4 years the entire country will be ready for Mike Huckabee. The man is honest,experienced,proven,strong and consistent in his beliefs enough to get up and explain them, even if he KNOWS they won’t always be met with approval (that takes real guts). I believe people will vote for him, not because they believe like him on every issue, but because he has bi-partisan answers to our country’s problems (Fairtax, health care, environmental,). He cares about Main Street as well as Wall Street. His populist appeal is what the future of the “republican” party looks like. He is going to be a brand of his own really and, the more people see and hear of him, the more they will KNOW he is a great leader and the guy we need in the White House. Leadership we can trust…Huckabee

  • Myself I believe Mike Huckabee would be the best choice for VP that Senator McCain could find. He is a great debator, plus the team that he put together on his run for the White House would be an enomous asccet to Senator McCain. Mike has proven himself to be a man of intergity in a time when a number of men have failed morally. He is a conservative that could help carry the south.

    The things he has stated about Obama has only helped to further his drawing power among Democrats and Independents. A great choice for VP

  • To Prup, Mike Huckabee, I agree is the best possible choice we have had for president in my lifetime. You see, he is really not someone you can put a label on. His ideas are more visionary as solutions for a total country, not for a Republican or a democrat. FairTax is bi-partisan, but a REAL way to fix this economy for the long-term, for our kids and grandkids. Huck’s health care plan focused on keeping folks WELL, not waiting for catastrophic illnesses that were more costly to treat. His stand on immigration was firm, yet fair. His stand on the right to life ammendment made him all the more commendable for president because it just validates that he is a man who believes with all his being that EVERY single life has the same value and worth. We KNOW this man will fight for each and every American for a better future, not for the Republicans or the Damocrats but for ALL of US. We know it becuase it is at the very core of who this man is. I ask you all to please take a second look at Mike Huckabee. You haven’t seen the last of him. I thing the entire country would be proud to call this man Mr. President Huckabee!!!

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