Huckabee statement on submissive wives ‘not open to interpretation’

Among the many, many controversial things Mike Huckabee has said in recent years, he’s still facing questions about his belief that wives should “graciously submit” to a husband’s “leadership.”

If you’re just joining us, in 1998, Huckabee was one of 131 signatories to a full page USA Today Ad which declared, “I affirm the statement on the family issued by the 1998 Southern Baptist Convention.” The SBC’s family statement insisted, “A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ.” The ad Huckabee signed specifically said of the SBC family statement, “You are right because you called wives to graciously submit to their husband’s sacrificial leadership.”

The subject came up at a recent Fox News debate, and Huckabee seemed to already have a response in mind: “The point is that as wives submit themselves to the husbands, the husbands also submit themselves, and it’s not a matter of one being somehow superior over the other.”

See? Huckabee and the Southern Baptists just want spouses to be submissive to one another. What’s so controversial about that? Oddly enough, plenty.

According to [Richard Land, president of the SBC’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission], the statement says that while the husband and wife are equal before God, “the wife does not get veto power over the husband’s decision.”

“Somebody has to be in charge,” Land explained. “The Bible says the husband is in charge.” While the husband should “solicit his wife’s views,” ultimately “he is going to make the decision.”

The reason, Land said, is that Southern Baptists believe that “God holds the husband accountable for the household.”

The Rev. Alan Brehm, who was a Southern Baptist theologian teaching at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in 1998, said Huckabee isn’t telling the truth and that the statement endorsed by Huckabee “was not open to interpretation.”

It’s a two-fer — Huckabee was wrong in signing the statement in 1998, and he was wrong to lie about in 2008.

And as long as we’re talking about Huckabee, remember yesterday’s controversy about his desire to change the Constitution to fit “God’s standards”? Alan Colmes asked Huckabee about the comments last night.

COLMES: All right, Governor, you made a statement at a rally in Michigan within the last 24 hours. You said, I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. You said, I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it’d be to change the word of the living God, and that’s what we need to do.” That makes people a little worried. It sounds like you’re looking to have a theocratic state when you make statements like that…

HUCKABEE: Not at all…. On two things. The context is two things, human life amendment, which I support and which has been in the Republican platform since 1980. And by the way, Fred Thompson doesn’t support it, nor does John McCain.

And yet it’s part of our platform. And it’s a very important part of our platform to say that human life is something we’re going to stand for. And the second thing is traditional marriage.

So those are the two areas which I’m talking about. I’m not suggesting that we rewrite the Constitution to reflect tithing or Sunday school attendance. I want to make that very clear.

I see. So, Huckabee doesn’t want to make the Constitution fit “God’s standards” in general, he just wants to make the Constitution fit “God’s standards” when it comes to gays and reproductive rights. I feel better already.

OK, one more Huckabee item. ThinkProgress noted that the former governor’s newest senior advisor, James Pinkerton, has quite a colorful rhetorical history, including calling for putting “a cop in front of every mosque” and blaming Republican corruption in Texas on the state’s “proximity to Mexico.”

I assume we can now look forward to a Richard Cohen column, blasting Mike Huckabee for not having condemned his own aide’s dumb comments?

Texas’ corruption is because it was infested by American expatriots who planned from the start to revolt against Mexican rule and set up a slave state.

A little overboard, but better than blaming Mexico.

Oh, Huckabee, the gift that keeps on giving.

  • I can see lots of moderate women flocking to vote for Huckabee, right after they ask their husbands who to vote for.

    Go Huckleberry!

  • It is awfully convenient for an obscenely rich white man to believe that the not-obscenely-rich, non-white, women (forget gays) ought to be subservient to them. That way they don’t need to fear competition in the marketplace from those with more talent or ideas or energy than they have.

  • The scary thing is that the dumbf*ck doesn’t even think there’s anything wrong with him saying this.

  • It’s unsurprising that James Pinkerton would choose the Hucklebuck – everyone talks about Kristol being wrong on everything he writes, but Pinkerton’s been doing that since Billy was still in plastic pants.

    Republican corruption in Texas is due to the fact that they are the traditional criminal class in Texas: back-alley assassins, cashiered officers, fugitive bankrupts, drunks, rapists, perverts, bank robbers and murderers – i.e., the “founding fathers” of Texas.

  • Huck has an identity crisis. Speech that sounds really cool in a sermon at a conservative church sounds dumber than dirt in a political campaign.

    So Huck, what will it be. Are you going to be a Baptist preacher or a presidential candidate? If you keep waffling like this, you won’t be qualified to be either one.

    (Hint – pick Baptist preacher. You may get get your mixed-up party’s nomination, but you will never be elected.)

  • Hey Rick @6,

    Isn’t that a little drastic? Austin (save perhaps the capital building & offices) is a great and progressive city. Now the rest of it….

  • Rick said: “We should give texas back to Mexico.”

    That would be so unfair after the way we’ve let it be screwed up for over a century.

    Still, it would be amusing to see Mexicans response to the offer 😉

    You know what I also think is funny? I don’t remember Huckabee suggesting that wives get a veto over a husband’s decision making. He just said that the spouses have mutual obligations and that marriage is a commitment of 100% on both parties part, not a division of 50%-50%.

    I think Richard Land is actually trying to screw Huckabee on this, with a Rovian spin of something he did not say and then attacking that. It’s pretty clear than that Land is but a tool of the Republican’t establishment and the Club for Greed.

    Yep, paint ol’ Hick-a-bee (my California Brother’s spelling) as not Theocratic enough for the Evangelicals while at the same time making him seem to Theocratic for Americans.

  • I can’t believe there are women who still stand for this antediluvian crap – I wonder how many “submissive” women go into the voting booth and give the middle finger to “submission” by voting for someone who thinks women are more than just property to be controlled by their husbands or fathers?

    Can’t you just imagine the scene? “Yes, dear, of course I voted for that nice Mr. Huckabee,” she said with an adoring smile. Mrs. Submissive contented herself with the oh-so-enjoyable mental picture of her husband’s head exploding if he only knew that not only had she not voted for Huckabee in the primary, but would vote for the Democrat in the general election, as she always did.

    It is 2008, isn’t it? This is America, and not Saudi Arabia or Taliban-controlled Afghanistan, right? Forget “a chicken in every pot;” Huckabee’s going for the “a burkha on every woman” crowd.

    Good to know.

  • Also, talk about your freedom hating terrorists!

    Seems like one of the main tenets of just about any religion is that it must define the “family power structure” to ensure that women don’t get all uppity. It’s really handy for the men who create God in their image. And precisely why a constitution that fits “God’s standards” is so very frightening.

  • Nothing more fun than watching a self-proclaimed Christian – a tv evangelist no less-bob and weave throwing in scriptures and God’s word every chance he gets to bounce around the truth.

    Personally I have had more than enough of this kind of crap from George W.

    Leave religion out of politics for God’s sake.

  • “the wife does not get veto power over the husband’s decision.”

    And yet these folks raise holy hell (pun intended) when the husband demands the wife wear a burqa. Religious tyranny is religious tyranny any way you slice it. No wonder these guys don’t get the concept of a woman’s right to chose — they feel they have veto power over that. Having rights for these guys is all about whether you were lucky enough to be conceived by the right sperm.

  • Why hasn’t anyone been talking about Huckabee’s intolerant beliefs about health? He blames anyone’s health condition on their own lifestyle and believes that anyone who wants to can lose 100 lbs, quit smoking cold turkey, run a few miles every day etc.. We aren’t going to have national single-payer health care when the president holds intolerant, unscientific, and punitive beliefs about the causes of illness. (He and Bill Maher have the same delusion that health faddism will enable them to live forever. I don’t wish death on anyone, but I would give a lot to see the surprised expressions on their faces when they realize finally that death comes to all, regardless of vitamin supplements or lifestyle.)

  • Other things not open to interpretation: The fingers gays and women and are raising in cHuckabee’s direction.

    The only good thing about his candidacy (besides freaking out the fRighties) is it makes even the most solmnolent people realize that if we aren’t careful this country will be run by dickheads who aren’t happy unless they’re allowed to grind faces.

  • I wonder how many “submissive” women go into the voting booth and give the middle finger to “submission” by voting for someone who thinks women are more than just property to be controlled by their husbands or fathers? — Anne, @10

    If you keep her barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen, she’s never going to be in that voting booth in the first place. You’ll drive her to the church on a Sunday and to the grocery store when necessary and that’s all the outing she needs.

  • “…he just wants to make the Constitution fit “God’s standards” when it comes to gays and reproductive rights.” — CB

    Apparently, God is a Republican and took time from his other duties to help write the party platform. Once word of this gets out, watch for people on their deathbeds changing party affiliation.

  • Gotta wonder about guys like this (e.g. Promise Keepers).

    I figure their threatened and are using cave man tactics to hide it.

  • Nell said:
    Gotta wonder about guys like this (e.g. Promise Keepers).

    I figure their threatened and are using cave man tactics to hide it.

    How can you say that? Don’t these husbands reward their wives by giving them the best 90 seconds of their week every Saturday night?

  • What about women who chose to be submissive?

    Many women these days are going back to this type of lifestyle, by choice.
    Isn’t that what feminism is all about? Choice?

    I don’t agree with the religious stand point nor do I think ALL women should be submissive, but to be a feminist you don’t have to be the “bra-burning man-hating” type, you can be submissive. Some of us want to be in the kitchen and let our husbands decide some things for us. If he actually respects you and treats you well then there isn’t anything wrong with being “submissive”. As long as it’s your choice.

  • Huckabye? He’s toast I think. I don’t think he really wants a theocracy though, I think he just wants the votes from those who he thinks want one.

    Huckabee wants to have adulterers, homosexuals and rape victims stoned to death. He also wants to make alcohol and music videos illegal, and make women 2nd class citizens and to take all girls out of school.

    Oops, my bad, that’s another ‘religion’.

    Hey, anybody but the PIAPS!
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  • OMG! They’re STILL hung up on sex? With all the serious, important issues in this dangerous world, the far-right can’t get past telling women what to do and interfering in people’s private sex lives.

    Pathetic.

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