Huckabee wants the Constitution to match ‘God’s standards’

The United States Constitution, the foundation of our system of government and a model for the world for more than two centuries, is an entirely secular document. It doesn’t mention God or any specific faith tradition, it only mentions religion at all to separate church and state.

Apparently, that’s not quite good enough for Mike Huckabee.

For those of you who can’t watch clips online, the video shows Huckabee, speaking to an audience in Michigan yesterday, arguing, “I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that’s what we need to do — is to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than try to change God’s standards so it lines up with some contemporary view of how we treat each other and how we treat the family.”

Now, I should note that I haven’t seen the full context, and have only seen what MSNBC showed this morning on the air. But it’s very difficult to imagine the circumstances that could make these comments acceptable. Indeed, in case there were any doubts, there was no indication that Huckabee was kidding. (First Read added that the context was Huckabee expressing his support for constitutional amendments discriminating against gays and banning abortion.)

Huckabee whined at a recent debate that he, a former Baptist minister, gets more questions about religion than any of the other Republican presidential candidates. As he sees it, that’s unfair.

But Huckabee is, in more ways than one, terribly confused.

When we have an evangelical candidate publicly arguing that we should change the U.S. Constitution to bring it in line with his views of “God’s standards” — and then he criticizes his GOP rivals for disagreeing — we’re looking at a candidate who probably isn’t receiving enough questions about religion.

On MSNBC, Willie Geist noted after showing the clip that if a typical American made similar remarks about changing the Constitution, “he’d be dismissed as a crackpot, but he’s Mike Huckabee and he’s basically the front-runner.”

Maybe, but I’m still pretty comfortable calling Huckabee a crackpot anyway.

Once in a while, I hear liberals refer to the “Taliban wing of the Republican Party.” I should admit that I’ve never been entirely comfortable with the phrase, in part because I think it’s overused. The Taliban believes there should be no secular law — that all rules of government should be based on a specific religious worldview. Most Republicans reject that kind of thinking.

But that’s exactly what makes Huckabee’s remarks so startling. If the video clip is accurate, he was coming a little too close to a Taliban-like approach to the law. The Constitution, Huckabee seemed to be arguing, isn’t good enough the way it is; we need to fix it, by making it conform to “God’s standards.” And who’s going to decide exactly what standards God prefers? Presumably, Huckabee and his evangelical supporters will.

I don’t care how charming Huckabee is. It’s irrelevant whether he can be funny on The Colbert Report. Anyone who believes the U.S. Constitution is flawed because it insufficiently meets “God’s standards” is almost certainly living in the wrong country.

Theocracy. Don’t need to say anything more.

  • I don’t care how charming Huckabee is.

    Ever hear of “the devil with blue eyes, in blue jeans”???

    He also proves that just because you like rock ‘n’ roll doesn’t mean you’re not a whackjob. But I am sure there are those among the products of American miseducation who would say otherwise.

  • I guess a large percentage of Americans are living in the wrong country then, and I’ll be the first to help them pack their bags.

    When you allow the media to rewrite history to the point where we are a nation that was “founded on Christianity”, you open the doors to this kind of lunacy. But this is actually a learning oportunity… I think we on the left should point out all the other rules which are clearly laid out in the old testament, like the prohibitions against eating shellfish and wearing blended fabrics. The choice is clear and obvious, we should either make all the bible laws binding, or we should leave the “wall of seperation” right where the founders (who were not Christians) put it.

  • Why bother to change the constitution? Just follow Shrub’s lead and ignore it. It’s not like the Democrats will call you on it or anything.

  • Many of us have decried the lack of civics classes. That kind of basic ignorance enables crazy stuff like Huckabee’s theocrazy to be said out loud to respectfull silence or even cheers. Then again I was thinking that if civics classes were reintroduced, that the battle over them would make the battle over teaching evolution look like small potatoes.

  • If Hukabee does not know how absurd his comments are then he is a crackpot…there can be no doubt. He thinks it’s unfair to ask him so many questions on religion while he continues to drag his pulpit into his idea of government. How he can justify such comments demonstrates his stupidity about democracy. This should have been the straw that broke the camels back and should have shocked voters enough to say “whoa…this guy’s nuts”.

  • Steve, you listed him the other day as being highly electable if he gets the nod. I wonder, do you still think that? I wonder myself if his likability (a la Bush) is going to get him elected by the misinformed (will corporate America stand behind him?) or if he’s going to shoot himself in the foot.

    Hmmm…curiousor and curiousor.

  • I see Huckabee getting ahead because, like Steve says, he’s not being asked enough questions. And the reason he’s not is because the wingnuts go postal if anyone dares to question their ghost stories without “balancing” serious questions with preacherdrivel.

    One of the things that really disturbed me about Bush was that so many Americans were so completely bamboozled about his true positions, and I’m guessing this will probably be a problem with Huckabee too, because he’s such an unknown person (like Bush was). We now know that huge numbers of people thought Bush was a moderate on a number of issues, when of course he was nothing of the sort. This of course makes people appear to support really stupid things (from our perspective), when in fact they’re simply being conned into doing things that are stupid.

    I’m not sure how we solve that problem, but we should at least be aware of it.

  • Some say the anti-Christ starts off as a charming and likeable fellow…

    But, we know that is simply urban legend as we all know Cheney is the anti-Christ.

    There are some interesting God Standards outside of gays and abortion that I would like to slap into the Constitution–although if we use God’s Standard on abortion, I think the Old Testament specifically provides that newborns did not even count unless they survived 3, or maybe it was 6, months outside of the womb.

  • ***btw, we will never have to worry about Hukabee being president any more than worrying that Chuck Norris will ever win an Academy Award. No republican will win the WH this year but Hukabee’s comment should demonstrate how anti-democratic these far right cons have become but keep in mind their loud voice is not backed by numbers and is self destructive.

  • Just turn the Michael Dukakis death penalty question on Huckabee:

    What if (insert female relative) wanted to get an abortion?

    What if (insert any relative) revealed that he/she was gay?

    What would Huckabee’s responses be to these questions?

  • On last night’s “A Daily Show”, Jon Stewart showed a clip from one of the recent Fox debates where Huckabee said that if you try to mess with the US military, they next thing you’re gonna see is the gates of hell. As much as I hate it when others attest that Bush is a true believer, it just strikes me as something a Christian doesn’t say. I guess I wish people would focus on his empty bookshelf instead of the coincidental likeness to a cross.

  • Huckabee has something there. Inasmuch as he’s probably taking God’s standards from the Bible (Unless God talks to Huckabee as well as GW Bush) here is a list of acts (Courtesy of Dwindling in Unbelief) for which the Bible commends that the perpetrator be stoned to death:

    1. For touching Mount Sinai. Exodus 19:13
    2. For taking “accursed things.” Joshua 7:1-26
    3. For cursing or blaspheming. Leviticus 24:16
    4. For adultery (including urban rape victims who fail to scream loud enough). Deuteronomy 22:23-24
    5. For animals (like an ox that gores a human). Exodus 21:28
    6. For a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night. Deuteronomy 22:13-21
    7. For worshipping other gods. Deuteronomy 17:2-5
    8. For preaching the wrong religion. Deuteronomy 13:5-10
    9. For disobeying parents. Deuteronomy 21:18-21
    10. For witches and wizards. Leviticus 20:27
    11. For giving your children to Molech. Leviticus 20:2
    12. For breaking the Sabbath . Numbers 15:32-56
    13. For cursing the king . 1 Kings 21:10

    I’m sure that a politician as gifted as Huckabee can roll these babies up in one grand Lapidation Amendment which the states will ratify immediately.

  • Would we get amendments on Jesus’ command to feed the hungry, care for the sick, clothe the naked, and visit the prisoners?

    But those are positives, not negatives. Can’t have that.

  • Lacking a definition of “God’s standards,” I’ll have to assume that God frowns on blacks and women voting.

    Did you hear, Mike Huckabee wants to amend the Constitution to take away the vote from blacks and women!

  • “On MSNBC, Willie Geist noted after showing the clip that if a typical American made similar remarks about changing the Constitution, “he’d be dismissed as a crackpot, but he’s Mike Huckabee and he’s basically the front-runner.””

    In fairness, it’s not exactly unusual to propose amending the Constitution to ban gay marriage and abortion; plenty of prominent conservatives have argued in favor of that. Huckabee is a little more explicit in the religious basis for his view, but I don’t see how that makes him more of an extremist that, say, the current president, who holds the same view (at least with respect to gay marriage, I’m not sure if he’s taken a position on an anti-abortion amendment) for the same religious reasons, but is just a little less open about it.

  • As I’ve said before, religion is a mental illness. Controlled by medication or behavior-mod, it can be a tool for good. Uncontroled you get Huck and Bush and Robertson and their pathetic, pliable followers.

  • And that speech was the moment that Huckabee went from a charming curiousity to unelectable.

    Moderate suburban Republicans in purple states like Iowa, Minnesota, NH, Arizona, Oregon, etc won’t go near him.

  • Huckabee also wants to change the name of our country from the “United States of America” to the “Republic of Gilead”.

    And wants first dibs on the Handmaids.

  • I’m certainly not on the ‘left’, being all libertarian and all, but Mike Huckabee scares the bejesus out of me. I shall don my pirate hat and pray for the noodly appendage to protect me from such lunatics.

    Huckleberry Hound needs to learn that rational, sane Americans arent interested in reformatting the Constitution to discriminate against other religions.

  • Eh to be honest this is better. At least he’s opening talking about doing iit the legal way, constitutional amendments. Then we can have a discussion.

    I guess I’ll point out that there are some political ideas in the Christian Bible I support though I’m sure they are not what Huckabee’s supporters are thinking.

  • “Anyone who believes the U.S. Constitution is flawed because it insufficiently meets “God’s standards” is almost certainly living in the wrong country.”

    Not only the wrong country, but the wrong century, as well.

    I’m constantly reminded of one of Steve Martin’s best lines:

    “And I believe that Ronald Reagan can make this country what is once was. An arctic region covered with ice.”

    Funny how little progress Reagan’s party has made since then.

  • Dennis #14 – Not specifically a capital offense, but “Thus sayeth the Lord…I will bring evil upon…and will cut off him that pisseth against the wall” 1 Kings 14:7-10. Outlaw urinals – vote for huck!

  • There’s a part of me that would dearly love to run against this guy – but the rational part of me says that if this man gets the nomination, it will mean that there is a significant segment of the population that agrees with his radical, theocratic agenda, and there is no way I want to give that any legitimacy.

    On the other hand, when Huckabee shows how far a Christian would like to go, it not only makes Romney’s Moromonism look benign to those who thought it was an issue, but it makes McCain look even more electable.

    I think Huckabee needs to be pressed on this everywhere he goes, and I think the other GOP candidates need to weigh in, as well. Let’s see what their linits are.

  • Chopin,
    Well that explains why things went downhill for me after a drunken night in Santa Barbara.

  • Dennis – SGMM wrote: “11. For giving your children to Molech. Leviticus 20:2”

    Considering that means giving up your child as a human sacrifice, I’ve got to go with the Jewish priets who wrote the Bible on this one.

    Re #21, Nice reference. 😉

  • “God’s Standards”? I assume that means governments endorsed by the Bible? I guess that means that hellenic style tyrannies are back in vogue.

  • “On MSNBC, Willie Geist noted after showing the clip that if a typical American made similar remarks about changing the Constitution, “he’d be dismissed as a crackpot, but he’s Mike Huckabee and he’s basically the front-runner.””

    Despite Geist’s claim, and the tenor of many other comments here, this is not necessarily true. Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence (but not the constitution), believed that the entire constitution should be rewritten every generation. Whether this would be workable in practice, or advisable to do, is another question. But Jefferson was certainly no crackpot.

  • Kevin at 31, in making his point, is ignoring that what Huckabee is saying is that the Constitution should be amended to match the Bible. He’s not just saying the Constitution should be regularly amended, about once every two decades. There’s a big difference between those two statements.

    CB wrote:


    For those of you who can’t watch clips online, the video shows Huckabee, speaking to an audience in Michigan yesterday, arguing, “I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that’s what we need to do — is to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than try to change God’s standards so it lines up with some contemporary view of how we treat each other and how we treat the family.”

    Ok, what he needs to do is invite the living God down here to tell us this stuff, because right now it sounds like it’s just Mike Huckabee who’s saying it.

  • Huckabee just shot the anti-abortion movement in the foot. Since Bush came into office, the buzzword about appointing partisan idiots to the Supreme Court and other high judicial offices has been that they were “strict constructionists” and didn’t take “liberties” with the Constitution like agreeing to a right to privacy.

    Huck now says that strict constructionism is BS and what’s required is a complete rewrite of the Constitution to do things like ban abortion. The stealth tactics of the anti-abortionists are now tossed aside by Huckabee who is essentially saying separation of church and state is dead.

  • And I suppose Huck is the only person to converse and understand this invisible person.

    Theocrats always make me nervous. If Huck is so convinced this theocracy is the right path, why not try it out in Iran. Afterall, they have rewritten their laws to conform to “God’s standards”.

  • CB, once again you’re being the heart and soul of diplomacy:

    If the video clip is accurate, he was coming a little too close to a Taliban-like approach to the law.

    Look, if a guy who is willing to say we need to jigger the Constitution so God (or his interpretation of God) would like it, what do you think he is going to say about other laws?

    “President Huckabee vetoed a $50 billion health care bill because it doesn’t require doctors to pray before performing a procedure.”

    Remember his tantrum over the “Acts of God” language in that tornado relief bill? He’s already proven he’s fucking dangerous.

    This is exactly why I call those creeps Talevangicals.

  • Well, well, well, it looks like the majority of these comments are by people who don’t know that most of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were Christians–and many were ordained ministers!!! Please see Wallbuilders.com for a Christian perspective. Also, visit AmericanVision.org for a cornucopia of information about God and government.

  • ***On January 15th, 2008 at 3:59 pm, EvilPoet said:

    If Huckabee somehow ends up in the White House I’m leaving the country.***

    Not me. If that mangy, fundie-butt-kissing, theocratic thug thinks he’s taking my country away from me, he’s got another think or two coming. To begin with, he’ll have to find a way to get Congress to authorize those “not-so-Constitutional” changes—then he’ll have to get it by all those States—then deal with the Courts—and after all of than, he’ll need to deal with a great big bunch of Citizens (yours truly included) who will gladly follow Mr. Jefferson’s advice, and “take arms” to prevent “Ayatollah Mike” from turning the Republic into the world’s first nuclear-armed theocracy….

  • Interesting that the “Christian perspective” is called “Wallbuilders.” Interesting and appropriate. Peter, if you’re still here, you’re gonna have a tough time building walls with this bunch.

  • Regardless of being Christians, they had the foresight to see past their own self-interests and into the self-interests of everyone. Congress shall make no law.. key word being no. Pretty sure it still has the same meaning..

  • And Pete (#37)—the Constitution is the Law. The Declaration was just a speech—and does not trump the Law. “God and government” have given us the terrors of the Holy Roman Empire, the Crusades, the wars between Catholics and Protestants from Luther to modern Ireland, the Inquisitions, the misinterpretations of God’s ordering of the various races which gave the Confederacy “theological justification” to commence hostilities against the Union, the maniacal madnesses of the Church hierarchy which taught British and French soldiers in the First World War that “their duty to God was to murder every last German they could lay their “blessed-by-God” hands on—women and children included.”

    Hitler invoked God in a manner identical to your little “dot-com” groups—look where it landed the world. KG43 did the same thing—and look where it’s landed us now.

    “God and Government” is what gave the Pharisees and Sadducees their justification to crucify a carpenter. Are you a Pharisee, Mr. Ramirez? a Sadducee, perhaps?

  • Well, well, well, it looks like the majority of these comments are by people who don’t know that most of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were Christians–and many were ordained ministers!!!

    Well, well, well, it looks like the minority of commenters couldn’t form a cogent, factual argument if you stuck a flagpole up their arse.

    If this keeps up real Christians will need to rebrand to distinguish themselves from the people who have made the C-word synonymous with Drooling Liar.

  • OK that’s enough people. Wake up please!… The whole thing is rebellion and sedition. The call was to subvert the constitution.. So what Huck is suggesting is that once he takes an oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution (an oath to God) he will be willing to tear it up and rewrite it. Treason!

    Why do people of God think it’s OK to violate the laws of God to achieve their ends? I wouldn’t trust anyone who does this. I think the term Talipublican works fine here.

  • “And ‘separation of church and state’ is NOT in the Constitution.” -John Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com

    Not the exact expression, of course. But the First Amendment does state “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”

    It is this Amendment that is at the forefront of maintaining a separation between the government and any church. And it’s worked pretty well, if you ask me.

    But if you want to keep pressing the issue that “separation of church and state” is not found in the Constitution, I just have to ask:
    Where you find the words “abortion”, “gay”, and “homosexual” in the Holy Bible?

  • Although the exact phrase “Separation of church and state” does not occur in the Constitution, it accurately and succinctly summarizes the Constitution’s content.

    Other phrases that don’t occur in the Constitution that also are held to be a basic part of its content include:

    No taxation without representation
    Government by consent of the governed
    Checks and balances

    It’s called paraphrasing, for those of you (like Mr. Lofton) who have trouble with English literacy.

  • Any idiot who suggests that slaves and women return to their property status, as stated in the bible, deserves to be charged with treason. If this idiot actually gets elected, Canada is going to have a huge imigration problem.

  • Steve – Like I said if he somehow gets in. Until then I ain’t going nowhere. I hope it never happens. I hope people wake up and see things for what they are. The sooner the better. OTOH – I hoped the same thing in 1999 and a look what happened. Like my Mom always told me – hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

  • Mike Huckabee will only get the ” Extremist Christian ” vote. That he has the support of Chuck Norris makes him look all the more a Loser. Bruce Lee did not believe in a ” God ” but Chuck Norris would stamp the word ” God ” on his forehead. Huckabee has finished his run for the White House today. Enjoy that ” Prayer ” has been shown to be ” useless ” by Science. Let us all show this useless man from Arkansas the way home.

  • If he’s speaking about a constitutional amendment to protect the definition of marriage, I agree. For 200 years there has never been a doubt that marriage was a contract between a man and a woman. There wouldn’t need to be an amendment if we didn’t have people who wanted to constantly change the meaning of words in order to justify every selfish desire.

  • P. Larue #56: Would you similarly say, if you lived in 1850, “For 200 years there has never been a doubt that slaves are meant to be property”? And “There wouldn’t need to be an amendment if we didn’t have people who wanted to constantly change …”?

  • Wow, and the extreme left wing conservatives are very, very good at hurling insults at people they claim to know all about, but have probably never met a sincere one. That is the Christians of course.

    Very mature.

  • P.LaRue, @56

    I, sure as sure, hope you’re not one of the LaRues from *my* little town; I know your parents would have raised you to be better than that. But, just in case, I’m gonna tell on you to your (putative) Mama next time I see her at Kroger’s.

  • I think there is a terrifyingly good chance that Huckleberry gets the nomination.
    Cheney names Jeb Bush as Veep.
    the Puke voter hijacking fraud kicks in.
    Mission: Accomplished–Theocracy!

  • The pastor of First Baptist North Spartanburg, Donald Wilton, who has written a book on the afterlife and getting into to heaven.
    Wilton also believes that Jesus subsumes the Constitution of the United States. Here’s what he said at the Sourthen Baptist Convention just a year and a half ago:
    Wilton delivered the annual convention sermon soon after Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice spoke to the assembly. He told the Southern Baptist gathering he greatly admired Rice, but he also reminded them they owed ultimate allegiance to God alone.
    “I’m going to submit to you that as believers in Christ Jesus, we are not even of America,” Wilton said. “We march according to a different drumbeat. Ours is not the Constitution of America; ours is the constitution of the Almighty God.”

    Huckabee also subscribes to this belief. How could he in all honesty (in the unlikely event he is elected) swear to uphold our Precious Constitution which this current Administration has shredded. Enough damage has been done to it.

  • Isn’t Huckabee’s statement a tacit acknowledgement that the Constitution isn’t religious in construction? Otherwise, why change it to be more Christian? So much for our “lost” religious legal heritage.
    Between statements like this, his insane – and borrowed – Fair Tax idea, and total lack of interest in basic news events, this is one of the lowest quality candidates I’ve ever seen.
    If you have ever spoken with Huckabee supporters in person, they are a deeply stupid, desperate lot on the losing end of history.

  • At first I thought that Huckabee was a joke. Then I figured that he was a stooge being used by Roger Ailes at Fox News to deflate Romney in Iowa in order to protect Rudy’s “Florida” strategy. Now, I’m afraid that he is a run away train, a Holy Frankenstein’s Monster, ready to ride the faithful to the Republican nomination and ultimately humiliating defeat.

    Actually, I still think that he is a stooge for Roger & Rudy that has gotten a little out of control since Iowa. Can you say “blowback”? Anyway, once the media machine decides that they’ve had enough of Ol Huckabee, they’ll start examining his ridiculous statements, his record on taxes, crime, etc… as governor and move the needle back to one of the chosen three, McRomneyani.

  • John Lofton, Recovering Republican: God’s Law trumps all man-made law including the Constitution.

    Rubbish. “God” doesn’t even exist.

  • It sounds like Huckleberry Fiend is Osama bin Laden in disguise, hiding in the open, with that kind of talk.

  • Huckabee: “I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God. And that’s what we need to do is to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than try to change God’s standards so it lines with some contemporary view of how we treat each other and how we treat the family.”

    There are so many things wrong with this statement that I hardly know where to start. In case it somehow missed you, he’s talking about constitutional amendments banning abortion and defining marriage. But, what I want to know is how Mr. Huckabee thinks he speaks for all Americans in his understandings of God’s standards. Maybe Mr. Huckabee doesn’t know that the Bible doesn’t explicitly address abortion at all, and that religions (and people of faith) differ on the question of when human life begins. Maybe Mr. Huckabee doesn’t know that the Bible doesn’t speak to adult same sex committed consensual relationships as we understand them today.

  • It seems like every time the subject of church/state seperation comes up it seems like some “Christian America” nut job (or several) points out that everyone at the constitutional convention was at least nominally a Christian.
    Yes! Absoultely right! Because there were no Muslims, Buddhists or Hindus and very few Jews living here then.
    And yet those men, nearly all of them Christian, saw the need to protect both the government and the people of this country from the establishment of a state religion. Since there were only Christians living here at the time, just exactly who do you think the first ammendment was written to protect us from?

  • there is only one answer to the question below

    Can omniscient God, who
    Knows the future, find
    The omnipotence to
    Change His future mind?

  • Well Sir, I would like to tell you something of great importance. We actually have 27 amendments to our Constitution which actually changed the Constitution for the better. I’m sure you probably never heard of that.

    One famous one, the 13th amendment was a change to the Constitution by a man named Abraham Lincoln. He was the 16th President of our great nation. He seamed to think that keeping black folks as slaves and treating them like animals was wrong. Well guess what, everyone thought he was out of his mind for wanting to free such creatures into our society, thus propelling us into the bloodiest battle on U.S. soil to date. The Civil War. (Thirteenth Amendment (1865): Abolishes slavery and grants Congress power to enforce abolition.)

    You may be scared of Mike Huckabee, but you ought to contemplate why that is. He thinks that the genocide of billions of little human babies is wrong. Who knows? But I can assure you sir, I don’t think he is wrong and neither to most of our Countrymen in South Carolina or the rest of this great nation.

    Also, of the 55 men who formed our Constitution, 52 were active members of their Church. We take God a little more seriously down there.

    I ask you please Sir, to hold your tongue if you do not have something more intelligent to say about my future 44th President of the United States of America!

    Dan Campbell

  • Check your facts, Dan.

    Most founding fathers were Deists. The word “Providence” that they wrote refers to God of Nature and not to the God of Abraham and Moses.
    .
    Thomas Jefferson a Deist who said “Deism rejected the divinity of Jesus and ascribed his miracles and resurrection to “mysticisms, fancies and falsehoods” (Jefferson’s words).

    Ben Franklin – atheist

    Thomas Paine – atheist

    George Washington- went to church with his wife but left early. He was Deist or Freemason in belief. He never took communion with his wife and asked at his deathbed that no ritual or prayer or Christ be

    Prior to the Constitution, most states had requirements that required officials to be Christian, and the founders did away with that notion by saying,” The First Amendment states:
    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”

    Article VI, Section 3 of the constitution also states:
    “The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States, and of the several States, shall be bound by oath or affirmation to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”

    So, sounds like the founders wanted to make SURE that our country would not be run
    by religious standards, but by reason and logic.

    http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html

    Check it out for the anti-religious quotes of such men as George Washington, T Jefferson, John Adams, James Madison, Abraham Lincoln, Ben Franklin, & Thomas Paine.
    Ex: The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.” — Thomas Jefferson (letter to J. Adams April 11, 1823)

    I believe the first President to be Christian was Andrew Jackson, our 7th President.

    The page also brought up the issue that if they HAD been such devout churchgoing men, they certainly would not have led a rebellion!

  • iaintbacchus, thank you for that perspective. I’ve never thought of the founding fathers in those terms. Made me laugh out loud — in agreement.

  • fundamentalist Christian and fundalmentalist Islam are cut from the same cloth. religous madness.
    huckabee is a prime example. He wants to replace our Constitution with his Bible.

  • Huckabee seems to want fundamentalism. It could never happen, even if Huckabilly really wanted to do it. I don’t think he does, he just wants the votes from those who do. He’s not stupid enough to want it or to try to do it as POTUS, he’s just stupid enough to say it.

    Huckleberry is too conservative on religion and too liberal on criminals and the economy and immigration.

    Huckabye? Huckabee wants to have adulterers, homosexuals and rape victims stoned to death. He also wants to make alcohol and music videos illegal, and make women 2nd class citizens and to take all girls out of school.

    Oops, my bad, that’s another ‘religion’.

    Hey, anybody but the PIAPS!

    if you’re MAD
    punish your country
    VOTE for Hillary

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    http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com
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  • I’m probably wasting my time by writing this comment. But I was in the room in Warren MI when he gave this speech (one of the most exciting events of my life)! So I can say that I know the context, as I WAS THERE. Why am I not surprised that MSNBC intentionally distorted the meaning of the sound bite? It was a reference to the fact that some Republicans call themselves Pro-life, yet reject a central plank of the Republican Party Platform that has been included since 1980. All laws, e.g. laws against murder and rape, are informed by man’s best current understanding of natural law, and in case you didn’t know, it is possible, easy actually to make a powerful case against abortion-on-demand without appealing to Scripture, but simply to natural law and reason.

    Most of the comments written here are stupid, indecent, uncivil, ignorant, and hateful. Most of you are probably radical leftists who believe in abortion on demand, with no restrictions whatsoever, at any gestational age, for any reason, or no reason. You are too far gone, but the younger generation, you will be horrified to learn, is far less tolerant of abortion and the anything-goes mentality that Bill Clinton’s generation brought us.

    I like Mike! He is good.

  • The specifics more than the context is what is important here. In a constitutional government to write or modify that document to fit a specific religious belief means the the governed are living in a theocracy. Huckabee makes clear he would change the constitution to align with his religious belief. I have no doubt his base includes those that do in fact want a US theocracy.

  • “No, YOU are terribly confused! God’s Law trumps all man-made law including the Constitution.”

    And god’s law is interpreted by man. Fallible, simple man. ‘God’ is used by people as a tool to justify hateful behavior. God has no position in our political process, because it is a way to differ responsibility for holding an outdated belief.

  • Jesus must be spinning in his grave! The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity…

  • The only way I’d be in favor of abortion on demand is if Ravi were still in the womb. Why is it that religious nuts can’t discuss anything without making all sorts of wild accusations? If Ravi is part of the younger intolerant generation I can see that they haven’t been very well educated.

  • all of these people that left comments im sure heard the whole speach.. For the people who did not this little clip is not enough to base an opinion on..

  • Mike Huckabee is the real thing and by that I mean a good man. You may not agree with what he believes- and so much of what he says it taken out of context. But there is no reason to say the absurd things listed above. He is a man of his word, he has had to fight to be heard on the issues because he is not taken serious as he does not have big money behind him. But now he does- and he will go far. People like people who know what they are. He has conviction, a fighter, as well as a peace maker- we need that- he has CHARACTER! Not much of that in the other candidates.

  • If this is coming from MSNBC…I would be highly….HIGHLY suspect of it. It’s probably taken out of context, edited and then served up to you. They are about as ROTTEN as you can get when it comes to reporting…and NO…I do not like Hucklyberry nor would I vote for the dipstick.

  • Mike Huckabee appears to be a really good leader. Ignorant people that look to themselves for answers will never understand what a good person is because they think they are the shit- and that they know all the answers- freedom of religion is in the constitution, words will always distort- let’s hope america doesn’t elect a hitler, or some facist pig to be their next leader- since we’ve killed a few already- Freedom…vote for who you want- I’m voting for Mike- But words will always be distorted by other people…cause people are selfish…I’m selfish…so go mike.

  • Yes, all the”christians” have to argue with are insults hurled at “nonbelievers”(and by nonbeliever i mean someone who doens’t take the extremely chopped up, edited and misinterpreted book they call a bible and pick which parts to apply to
    the current church they are going to) This is The United States of America, we are the first to call Iran an evil country for the form of government it has but the “Hucksters” are wanting to implement the same thing in ours. WE will not let that happen, too many poeple have died for this country in too many wars to give it all up to these nuts(who are for all intensive purposes the same as the taliban etc…)Yes, alot of the people who did die were christian, but then again alot of them weren’t. Religion has as much place in this Government as a drunken orgie at church….it doesn’t. Too all you “christians” who have nothing better to do than call us names for not wanting your precious Huck to ruin our country with your faith(notice I used faith…not fact). Move to europe where most countries are run by the church. get out of my country.

  • I believe Mike wants a change in the Constitution because man today needs to know the definitions of simply words which were understood hundreds of years ago.

    Killing children was known to be wrong back then.

    Marraige is with one woman and one man, period.

    It’s not hard to understand.

    That is not imposing anything religious on anyone.

  • After checking David Barton’s site ( wallbuilders ) , it’s hard to believe someone could think our early leaders were not Christians.

    I’m glad that the Christian’s on this site are not mean towards those that are bashing anything Christian.

    It is easy to bash in this kind of non-face to face discussion but that minimizes the integrity of the writer.

  • I believe Huckabee wanted to the Constitution to define marriage as one man, one woman. He wanted it to define life as beginning at conception.

    People are going crazy, thinking this guy is going to change American into a full blown theocracy, or even an islamofacist dictatorship. That’s going a wee bit too far as a characterization…

    Please keep in mind that it is very hard to make changes in the Constituion. Certainly, on man cannot do it. Chill.

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