‘I expect real answers, or we’ll have testimony under oath until we get them’

Andrew Sullivan captured the dynamic perfectly: “The task of American democracy tackling the kind of issues that were once the province of South American countries has now begun. The authorization of war crimes, torture, and illegal wire-tapping by this administration needs to be thoroughly investigated in order to hold more than a few scapegoat grunts responsible. The definitive proof is in the hands of the administration – and they have a constitutional duty to hand it over to the Congress.”

That’s right, Bush gang, for the first time in six years, the co-equal branch of government at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue is going to start flexing its oversight muscles. Not only is national security on the table, for a lot of lawmakers, it’s going to be Question #1.

Seeking information about detention of terrorism suspects, abuse of detainees and government secrecy, Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee are reviving dozens of demands for classified documents that until now have been rebuffed or ignored by the Justice Department and other agencies.

“I expect real answers, or we’ll have testimony under oath until we get them,” Senator Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont, who will head the committee beginning in January, said in an interview this week. “We’re entitled to know these answers, and in many instances we don’t get them because people are hiding their mistakes. And that’s no excuse.”

Mr. Leahy, who has said little about his plans for the committee, expressed hope for greater cooperation from the Bush administration, which he described as having been “obsessively secretive.” His aides have identified more than 65 requests he has made to the Justice Department or other agencies in recent years that have been rejected or permitted to languish without reply.

And why would Rove & Co. respond? As a courtesy? A professional, responsible approach to resolving inquiries from lawmakers? Of course not. Dems were in the minority — the White House could ignore them with impunity.

It’s made for some very awkward lawmaking. Congress has been asked to tackle issues such as warrantless searches, torture, suspension of habeas corpus, etc., without the incidental facts that would help them know what they were talking about. When shaping policy, congressional Republicans would write legislation blindly — or, more accurately, would ask the White House to do it for them.

The president could get away with saying, “I’m doing everything right; take my word for it.” The answer officially became unacceptable around midnight on Nov. 8.

One document is a directive, signed by President Bush shortly after the September 2001 attacks, that granted the C.I.A. authority to set up detention centers outside the United States and outlined allowable interrogation procedures.

The second is a memorandum, written by the Office of Legal Counsel at the Justice Department in 2002, that is thought to have given the C.I.A. specific legal advice about interrogation methods that would not violate a federal statute on torture.

With Democrats in control, it will be harder for executive branch agencies to sidestep requests for documents. Behind each request will be the possibility of Democrats’ voting to issue subpoenas that would compel documents or testimony, although Senate aides said they hoped to avoid conflict.

If the Bush gang refuses to provide information, they’ll be subpoenaed. Any chance they’ll ignore the subpoenas? Perhaps it’s better to ask, any chance that they won’t?

One thing’s for sure, Leahy isn’t bluffing. As he told Alberto Gonzales recently in a letter, “The American people deserve to have detailed and accurate information about the role of the Bush administration in developing the interrogation policies and practices that have engendered such deep criticism around the world.”

He’s not likely to take “it’s a secret” as a legitimate answer.

A lot of people thought Democrats were timid, but they were just in the minority. Too bad that, like it usually is, we have to defend a lot of bad guys (the terrorists) in order to defend the principle.

  • Take all the funding bills, extract funding for the departments-in-question, and then simply say:

    “You want to exist? Answer the question—or go collect unemployment.”

    I can see Negroponte and Gonzo right now, standing on a DC street corner with a tin cup and a sign that reads:

    “Will lie for food.”

    Let ’em starve….

  • Merely being in the majority isn’t going to be the trump card for Democrats. This administration has been unaccountable for so long that real oversight would be fatal to them (or at least it’d lead to jail time for a number of muckey-mucks). The administration will defy any subpoenas it doesn’t like. By early summer there’ll probably be a full-blown constitutional crisis.

  • I go with jimBob, except I’m not sure about that constitutional crisis. I think there will be accomodation and we’re all going to wind up very frustrated, very angry.

  • …we have to defend a lot of bad guys (the terrorists) in order to defend the principle.

    I disagree. That’s like saying four of the first 10 Amendments protect criminals. ShrubCo has tried to trick us into thinking detainee = terrorist or enemy combatant and so we shouldn’t care what happens to them. (He must be guilty, he’s in jail!)

    Frankly, I think ShrubCo’s actions are going to result in a lot of cases being thrown out and yes, bad guys – who might otherwise be kept in jail where they can’t do any more harm – walking free. It’s frustrating enough when some common or garden thug walks because the cops got too enthusiastic during questioning or the DA “lost” some vital evidence. How much more so if a mass murderer gets off because Bush thought torture was a “no brainer”?

  • One thing’s for sure, Leahy isn’t bluffing.

    He definately isn’t Specter. I’m looking forward to seeing Gonzalez on the hot seat.

  • Dale (comment #1) said:

    Too bad that, like it usually is, we have to defend a lot of bad guys (the terrorists) in order to defend the principle.

    You know, Dale, you’re usually a pretty well-informed commenter, so I find it surprising you would say this, when in fact the overwhelming majority of those held at Guantanamo Bay are already known to not be “terrorists,” but rather people unlucky enough to be swept up into the net for such things as their betrayer getting $5,000 for turning over some visiting stranger in a Pakistani village, or someone unfortunate enough to piss off some local bureaucrat in some Third World hell-hole who “got even” by turning the guy over to us. I mean, have you been reading the reports on all this? Go over to Glenn Greenwald’s blog and do a search on “Guantanamo Bay” and “unlawful combatants.”

    The truth is, the investigation will be one defending American ideals and justice in the name of those powerless ones who the despicable pigs of the Bush Administration have decided to fuck over because they could, and because it fit their political game of “looking tough.”

    There is no more “Global War on Terror” than there is a “War on Drugs,” as more than political p.r. bullshit.

  • I expect a first class fight that may lead to charges being brought for contempt of Congress or even inpeachment. People in power usually don’t just roll over and give up. Nixon sure didn’t; he only resigned after the Congress (and the courts) did their job and he knew that he would be convicted in the Senate. Here’s hoping Congress (and the courts) can do their job again.

    I also believe that defending our constitution is not helping the bad guys for we all lose if we don’t .

  • …I disagree
    Comment by Taio

    By “a lot of” I only meant that a lot of the detainees are bad guys. Not that the whole lot of them were bad guys.

    It’s sort of like defending the Mel Gibson Neo-Nazi’s right to march. You gotta do it for principles.

  • Perhaps this is clearer “Too bad that, like it usually is, we have to defend a lot of bad guys (the actual terrorists among the detainees) in order to defend the principle.”

    We shouldn’t think that the Admin doesn’t have any wiggle room in obfuscating this issue. One of the things the admin has done is to bring the “top” al-qaida (all those number 2s) to Gitmo to confuse the issue. The Admin knows that a lot of people do believe that the detainees are all terrrorists based on Bush PR and the 33 seconds of news they see on Fox about the issue. This “war on terror” doesn’t have much precedence set either beyond our core values of detainee rights. Bush’s arguments that these more extra-ordinary detainees, not prisoners of war or regular criminals has a lot of adherents.

    On a PR level if I were Dem leadership I would not make the detainees the focus of speaking, I would focus on the principles involved and the importance of those principles to protect the innocent. Otherwise it just feeds into the perception that Dems are taking the side of terrorists.

    One important thing I hope the Dems find out is how many detainees there are (we don’t know) where they are (we don’t know) what they are charged with (we don’t know) and how they were treated or mistreated. (we don’t know) As we seek this info, it should be framed in terms of accountability of our government not so much in protecting detainees (although that will be the effect).

    Let’s just hope that ultra-dangerous John Paul Lindh doesn’t get freed. Eek!

  • Does anybody remeber what VP Cheney said to Sen. Leahy on the floor of the Senate? Go F— yourself.

    Karma is coming around. And karma is bitch.

  • It’s sort of like defending the Mel Gibson Neo-Nazi’s right to march. You gotta do it for principles.

    Snerk. For the record I like it when the neo’s march. I mean, how else am I going to home my rotten fruit throwing skills?

    On a PR level if I were Dem leadership I would not make the detainees the focus of speaking, I would focus on the principles involved and the importance of those principles to protect the innocent.

    Got it, thanks. And I suspect that once we have all of the answers we’ll find a vast majority of guys who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time than A-Q #2s,* which should come as a final kick in the pants to anyone with a brain, which means Faux news will tell us why locking up hundreds of innocent people is still OK.
    It also should minimize the thrill a lot of bigots get out of ShrubCo’s detention pogram. I’ve seen a number of people argue that since some brown people did a bad thing, it is OK to mistreat all brown people. There is no thought that ShrubCo’s rules (for lack of a better term) can easily be applied to anyone.

    ~Sniff.~ It bring a patriotic tear to my eye. Not only does the Constitution protect good and bad alike, it protects the clueless maggots who think they’re good ‘Muricuns.

    *Irrelevant question: Can ShrubCo not count above two or are AQ numbers three and up too wily to get caught? Or perhaps Bush just likes saying Number Two. (Heh heh.)

    tAiO

    788 WHAT?

  • I too am spoiling for the fight — I feel my mood brightening and my blood pressure lowering as each minute ticks by. I’d love to think there won’t be any frustrations or outrages along the way, but the smart money says that the ship of state will turn back in the proper direction. I can’t see Leahy (and the other strong committee chairpersons) backing down.

  • Hey Taio, 788 days left for Bush!

    I’d forgotten that Leahy was the recipient of Dick’s GFY, slip kid no more. I bet the VP will be muttering that under his breath a lot in the coming two years.

    The Republicans 109th had a 100 hour plan too. They just couldn’t quite complete it in 2 years.

    I also believe that defending our constitution is not helping the bad guys for we all lose if we don’t .
    Comment by Gracious

    In the case of the detainees it will help some actual bad guys, especially since Bush misused the constitution so badly. It’s designed to protect the innocent but sometimes there are unexpected consequences. I hear OJ is bringing out a new book.

    I hate those movies like Dirty Harry and Shaft who play vigilante. I want my cops to obey the law. I want my President to obey the law.

    I hear ya, Tom #7. I think my sentence could be read two ways perhaps. we are in agreement.

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  • The Regal Moron and Darth Cheney will never allow anyone in their administration to answer a subpoena. They feel just too entitled to run the country (into the ground) and don’t feel chastened by the election. These guys are pathological. Don’t look for their hand-picked boys on the Supreme Court to make them do it either. These are people who either put them in office or don’t mind the idea of signing statements negating the will of Congress. I see Leahy sputtering in frustration, I’m afraid, to no avail. And then, the question becomes, what other remedies are the Dems willing to pursue? Impeachment would logically come next, I’d hope.

  • I too am spoiling for the fight — I feel my mood brightening and my blood pressure lowering as each minute ticks by.
    Comment by DrGail

    I feel that too. Imagine the toll this pressure has taken on the 100 million, usually mellow Liberals over the past 6 years. I’m serious. This should be covered by medical insurance. The Bush-Cheney Syndrome.

  • The definitive proof is in the hands of the administration – and they have a constitutional duty to hand it over to the Congress.” — CB

    I feel indecent/underdressed w/o my tin foil hat… Since they haven’t Dieboled us to hell and gone on Nov7, and it’s a bit too early to worry about the ’08 tricks (like B’s refusal to hand over the reins or even allow an election)…

    I’m with Frak (@16): I’m betting that the entire administration will spend the next 2 yrs telling Leahy what Dead-Eye Dick told him before. They’ll parse the constitutional rights of the War President till we all drop dead of frustration. And they’ll take it all the way to the SCOTUS which, thank-you-very-much, is nicely stacked in their favour.

    That’s not to say we shouldn’t *try*, but I’m much less optimistic than some about the outcome.

  • It’s too bad so many Americans are too stupid to realize that this is not an attempt to “defend terrorists”. I would hope the Dems would initially focus on issues that already have traction, like Haliburton ripping off the government and feeding our troops substandard food & water, anything where a large majority of the public is already on board. Once the public sees how these criminals operate, THEN roll out the less understood issues.

  • I hope the Democrats have a plan for when the White House refuses to either show up or answer, while I don’t necessarily believe the White House will ignore all summons/questions they are going to push the envelop and do all they can to not go down the street and not get on record. The Democrats are going to have to play hardball but do so without playing into Republican hands. This is going to be a head to head PR game as well as a legal match up.

  • Remember the great resistance in the administration about the 9/11 hearings? Didn’t want to do it at all. The public forced them to participate, albeit reluctantly. If the Bush administration fails to comply with the requests, we all need to scream loudly and make the Republican candidates for president realize that they do not have a chance of winning unless the administration complies.

  • Racerx (#19) makes a point I was going to make. As much as I’d like to see every committee in congress investigating the many Bush wrongdoings, I think it would be smarter to start with a single issue. The Iraq corruption issue IS an ideal target. It’s an issue that the Bushies cannot credibly defend, and the type of thing people really hate.

    With a solid indictment on one that issue, Americans are likely to be attentive to issues like wiretapping, torture, and my favorite — the origin of the Iraq War.

    I think it would be a mistake for Democrats to spend the next two years on revenge no matter how much the Pubs deserve it. They need to put their emphasis on quickly passing popular legislation. One good investigation in the background is a good balance.

  • yes Alibubba, but watch out for investigation/oversight fatigue. Have to line up some important stuff early, or it will never come to pass. Also have to ask yourself, how this changes depending on the economic mood of the country. Given that next year there is a rather high chance of recession, that is a ripe time to roll-out the profiteering invesigation, so maybe that’s another reason to put that high on the list. The WMD trumped up war justification should be a slam dunk, because so much of the info is public already, but IMO, that case should have already been made and it hasnt been, so that might not fly as high as Id like it to. On the wiretapping, the public isnt going to give much support. The news is out there, and too many people dont care. That will be a slogged out legal battle that the Dems will likely lose because of defiance and stonewalling on the administration’s part. Energy policy, another, will get stonewalled by Cheney, never happen. And oil prices will be lower in an economic slowdown and people wont care as much. I could go on, but it’s Sunday…and noone will read this likely.

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