‘I know I’d rather die in a terrorist attack than suffer through an uncomfortable shower’

Back in July, we learned about Bleu Copas, a decorated sergeant and Arabic language specialist who was thrown out of the military under the Army’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy. Copas, who joined the Army after the 9/11 attacks out of a sense of duty, was responsible for helping translate intercepted messages from possible terrorists, but the military doesn’t make exceptions (well, it makes exceptions all the time actually, just not for gays).

I’ve often wondered what far-right activists would say about a case like Copas’. Now I know.

For those of you who can’t watch online video from your office computers, The Daily Show’s Jason Jones sat down with Paul Cameron, one of the nation’s leading anti-gay activists, who said, “I think the country, on the aggregate, is safer without Bleu in the military.”

Asked why, Cameron explained, “Guys don’t want to think about other guys, other fellas, ogling them in the shower or whatever.” Jones responded, “I know I’d rather die in a terrorist attack than suffer through an uncomfortable shower with a gay.” Cameron grudgingly responded, “Yes.”

It’s good to know, isn’t it? Confronted with an either/or scenario — get killed by terrorists or shower near a well-trained, dedicated Army specialist — Cameron seems to prefer the prior to the latter.

And our federal government appears to agree with him.

Uh oh! The Daily Show is peeling back the curtain again. Time for another round of news stories decrying the show for making the young generation too cynical. Never mind that the show is shining a light on things that really are happening in this country.

And nevermind the hate-filled nonsense spewed daily as fact on any number of right-leaning tv and radio programs… and networks.

  • This was a brilliant piece of work. And nothing detracts from that – not even Jones’s disco striptease at the end, which had me rolling on the floor.

  • “I know I’d rather die in a terrorist attack than suffer through an uncomfortable shower with a gay.”

    Would you mind proving that statement?

  • Cameron and the far right’s new catch phrase.

    It’s better to fight terrorists over here…than to shower with a gay…over there.

  • And our federal government appears to agree with him.

    Yeah, well, if you ask me it’s ’cause they’re scared to death they’ll like it. My guess would be he thinks about other guys ogling him in the shower all the time…

  • Ditto, Diane. I don’t think I’ve ever laughed so hard watching TDS. The tears of laughter were mixed with tears of sadness, though, at the stupidity of the anti-gay agenda and the determination of the masses to hate someone… anyone, and paint them as pee-pee drinking, baby sacrificing witches.

    Personally, I’d never heard of the pee-pee thing. Are there any gay people here who could shed some light on that practice and/or accusation? I suspect it is practiced equally among heterosexuals (that is, extremely rarely)…

    … NOT THAT THERE’S ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT! (cue Seinfeld synth bass slap).

  • Roddy McCorly: My guess would be he thinks about other guys ogling him in the shower all the time…

    He did seem a little exiguous of the kind of masculinity he would demand of others. I’ve always felt that those who seem to have the impression that *everyone* could be seduced into homosexuality, must have latent tendencies themselves.

    … NOT THAT THERE’S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT!!!

  • That was funny! Cameron is a freakshow exhibit and I hate to defend him even a little, but the reality based community is nothing if not fair. And to be fair the transcript left out a quick question which may explain Cameron’s response to the insane statement about prefering death to showering near a gay man.

    (maybe)

    Fact: Jones did not just say “I know I’d rather die in a terrorist attack than suffer through an uncomfortable shower with a gay.”, he followed that statement up with a very quick “know what I mean?”

    To which Cameron …eventually…(heh) responded, “Yes.”

    IMO it’s entirely probable that Cameron’s “yes” was his answer to Jones’ question, which to be fair doesn’t necessarily mean anything much. If someone asked me that question, I might slip up and answer yes, because technically, I do know what that statement means, even if I disagree with the statement itself. Basically it was a trick question. I suspect that Cameron would rather be seen naked by a gay man than die. He’s a loon, but he’s not THAT stupid, is he?

    It was good fun seeing Cameron’s freakshow dragged out on stage. I applaud the Daily show for doing this. But IMO the trick question wasn’t necessary to make him look like the troglodyte that he is.

    Or maybe I’m all wet. No biggie either way.

  • saw this last night on Global Edition of TDS. laughed my ass off especially when Cameron went on w/(paraphrasing) ‘that’s all they think about.’ and then went on and on w/his weirdass POV about which, he’s thought. a LOT.

    and Cameron said what sounded like ‘ooogling’ instead of ‘ogling.’

    LOL, ‘intromiss’

  • Racerx, I agree with you that Cameron recognized that Jones’ question was rhetorical and meant to be funny. Yes, he’s a nutcase but we must take the high road and be fair and honest even with those who would never reciprocate. The opposition would immediately seize upon the fact that we made a “headline” (i.e.: “PAUL CAMERON WOULD RATHER DIE THAN SHOWER WITH A GAY MAN”) out of a minor moment of discomfort.

  • If Cameron would rather die in a terrorist attack, maybe we should give him what he wants. I mean, I don’t want to make him out as a liar or anything.

    So—whaddaya think of my “Pat Robertson” impersonation? Pretty neat, huh?

  • any gay people here who could shed some light on that practice and/or accusation?

    Yeah it’s there. As with all fetishes though it’s a distinct minority – falls under the “water sports” category and I’m sure is practiced by some members of the other team also.

    Just another highlight of Cameron’s fundamental dishonesty – kinda surprised he didn’t play the NAMBLA card too.

  • Racerx makes an important point about fairness and fact, and it’s a point worth remembering. Jones asked a leading, trick question.

    On the other hand, TDS is a comedy show, and isn’t held to the same standards as legitimate journalism. Unfortunately, shows like Hannity & Colmes, that presume to be serious, regularly use the same tactic without shame. That makes me furious, which is why I try to be fair and factual in contrast to right-wing perversion of language. (Not always successfully.)

    Still, I think the segment was funny as hell. Frankly, you don’t have to do much to make these loonies look ridiculous. They come that way.

  • Does this poor sod have any idea at all how many gay men are checking him out at the local gym? Could any adult be that deep in denial?

  • I laughed my head off watching this on The Daily Show, but after it was all over, and The Colbert Report was just starting, I asked my wife, “Do you think that anti-gay guy was on the level? I thought he was way over the top and just a bit too pat. Must have been an actor.” Now I find he’s a real live, in-the-flesh famous crackpot.

    I guess it’s true what they say: These guys are impossible to parody.

  • As a gay man, I have to say that I’d rather die in a terrorist attack than see Paul Cameron in the shower.

  • I meant to say this before but got side tracked. How do people like this person get away with saying this kind of shit? I’m sure that there are some people in the UK who think like that, but they just don’t get the air time…

  • Gary — you do have The Daily Show in the UK – last time I was back home, it was on Channel 4 – or maybe More4. Seems like it runs shows a few weeks old, but check it out. This show will probably be on soon.

  • Well this case may put a little kink in the presidents war of terror.If all it takes is an anonymous e-mail stating you are gay to get thrown out of the army,then how many others are going to do the same thing?Here is what I mean and this is a true story.When I was 18 I moved out of my fathers house.He started recieving phone calls from a recruiter looking for me.He told the guy I didnt live there anymore,and that I was not interested in the army.The recruiter kept calling.Finaly my father got angry and told the recruiter I was gay.The calls stopped.So if thats all it takes to get the army off your back,then why not lie about it?It sure beats running over a land mine in Iraq.

  • Gary – the Daily Show is my light at the end of the day! Jon Stewart and the rest of the team are incredible. You must watch it! Enjoy!

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