‘I prayed in school every time I took a math test’

I don’t plan to make a habit out of praising Republican presidential candidates, but as my friend Ron Chusid noted, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee (R) is being downright sensible when it comes to one of the staples of the GOP’s culture war: state-sponsored school prayer.

The family that prays together doesn’t have to worry about the absence of government-mandated prayer in public schools, Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee told a group of reporters today.

The comments from Huckabee, who recently stepped down after a successful decade as Arkansas governor, were something of a surprise coming from the former Southern Baptist minister who has enjoyed support from Christian conservatives in his political climb — and hopes to do so again in his bid for Republicans’ 2008 presidential nomination. Decades after the Supreme Court struck down prayer in public schools as an unconstitutional violation of religious freedom, the issue continues to rankle Christian conservatives.

But Huckabee said he never could understand why so many people “railed against (the absence of) prayer in schools when they didn’t even pray at home.” … “I felt it was not the schools’ job,” he said, to teach his children to pray, but the family’s. For himself, Huckabee quipped, “I prayed in school every time I took a math test.”

That’s, um, right. In fact, when I worked at Americans United for Separation of Church and State, I’d make practically the same argument on a regular basis.

There are two angles to this: what this says about Huckabee, and what this does to his chances in the ’08 primaries.

First, it’s worth noting that Huckabee hasn’t always sounded quite this sensible when it comes to mixing church and state. Earlier in his political career, Huckabee said, in explaining why he left pastoring for politics, “I didn’t get into politics because I thought government had a better answer. I got into politics because I knew government didn’t have the real answers, that the real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives.” Not long after, Huckabee said, “I hope we answer the alarm clock and take this nation back for Christ.”

Given these previous comments, it was a very pleasant surprise to see the candidate say that promoting prayer is “not the schools’ job.”

Of course, there’s the flip side — the GOP’s far-right base believes it’s absolutely the state’s job to promote prayer and foster a religious society through the power of the government. Indeed, on this issue, Republican activists tend to want the biggest of all possible governments — the kind that interferes in the personal beliefs of its citizens. Huckabee’s pronouncements on the issue are sane and sensible, but I suspect right-wing voters may not see it that way.

I’d actually worry a bit about taking Huckabee on in a general election, but at this point, he seems entirely incapable of winning over the party’s faithful (no pun intended). He raised taxes as governor, he has a Willie Horton-esque controversy in his background, and now he’s opposed to forcing religion onto public school kids.

He doesn’t have a prayer.

He doesn’t have a prayer.
However, as far as I can tell, he’s the only Republican potential candidate that isn’t completely nuts.

  • Huckabee also appears to be “ethically challenged,” or at leave unable to grasp the idea of “conflict of interests.” And that’s just in the two years I’ve been here in Arkansas. Perusal of back issues of the Arkansas Times should provide plenty of opposition research.

    Personally, I think he’s trying to be the “compasionate conservative” in this crop of Republican candidates. I guess the question is whether his past comments and status as a minister will calm the core social conservatives enough to allow his “outreach” to work. I have not idea whether this will work, but if the Republican field keeps imploding, he might actually have a shot.

    Scary.

  • I’m not sure what Huckabee’s machine is like, but he most certainly would be a formidable candidate. My sense is that he not ready to make a serious go of it. OTOH, I’m not entirely convinced he isn’t, but is simply keeping under the radar as the frontrunners bloody each other. He’s a repub you’d underestimate at your own risk.

  • He doesn’t have a prayer.
    However, as far as I can tell, he’s the only Republican potential candidate that isn’t completely nuts.

    I’m really curious to see how this angle plays out. I think their 2008 primary is going to end up being a showdown between the socially conservative Christian right and the socially libertarian corporatists. After six years, the Christian right’s only accomplishment is Roberts and Alito (and a big one that is, unfortunately), so they’re going to be howling for blood.

    Anyone know who Dobson, Perkins, etc. like so far? I know they’ve come out pretty aggressively against McCain and Giuliani, and to some extent Romney. Brownback seems like their frontrunner and I can’t wait to see how his anti-human/animal hybrid bill and things like that play out. He sounds perfectly reasonable right up until the point where he sounds totally insane. Good time.

  • I applaud Huckabee’s stance that religious indoctrination is the job of parents and not public schools. Maybe in some form of political Darwinism Mike is evolving from a wingnut into a reasonable person. But if Mike does begin to make some headway in his campaign and has to form political alliances to gather support, it’ll be interesting to see if he doesn’t revert back to fire and brimstone Huckabee. Tolerance of tolerance isn’t a Republican trait.

  • “I got into politics because I knew government didn’t have the real answers, that the real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives.”

    The most charitable parsing of this statement is that Huckabee is mouthing the Republican mantra of small government, and that getting government ‘off our backs’ would allow people to devote more time to his favored religion. As stated, it doesn’t necessarily advocate state-sponsored Christianity. That said…

    #7 petorado: “I applaud Huckabee’s stance that religious indoctrination is the job of parents and not public schools…”

    Yeah, that’s a step in the right direction. The next step would be to not indoctrinate children at all.

  • In a race where Guiliani and Ginrich are actually thought viable, to suggest that Huckabee does have a chance seems false to me.

    CB, you are right about the Theocratic Reactionary wing of the Republican’t party and the Unholy Alliance that is Conservatism in America today (that they want government in our bedrooms and dictating our religious activity). However, Huckabee has a chance to shame True Christian Evangelical fellow travellers with talk like this…

    … and likely suffer the same fate as John McCan’t did in 2000 😉

    Still, there is a chance.

  • As a candidate for President, he has to travel the country. This former Southern Baptist minister may have come to this conclusion after visiting Utah.

  • Huckabee has a fairly good story to tell. He’s a comparatively fresh face, unlike McCain; he’s not associated with Massachusetts or Mormonism, unlike Romney; he isn’t a profane, gay-supporting lecher, unlike Giuliani. If those top three destroy each other, he’s very well positioned, and he’d be tough in the general.

  • I don’t make it a habit of liking republican candidates, but, from the times I have seen Huckabee speak, I really like him. I disagree with him about many many things, but he has, what I believe to be, the right approach to politics. He is talking to our commonalities, not our differences. I saw him on The Daily Show talking about abortion and he was the first Right to Lifer that I heard talk about the topic that I could actually relate to (his line was “I believe that life begins at conception, but doesn’t end at birth.”).

    Anyway, I doubt there’s a chance I’d pull the lever for him, but in my mind he is the kind of politician that this country needs after 6 years and counting of Bush, Rove and Cheney.

  • Anyone else getting the feeling that the religious right is going to be without a candidate in 008 ? Huckabee seemed to be their only option, now I would imagine he’s been scratched off the list as well.

  • He wouldn’t be the first politician to pull to the center to get elected and then fling himself into the netherworld once in office, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

    I ain’t voting for him no matter what, but I won’t badmouth him….for now. 😉

  • Damn. I knew it was cold, but I didn’t know hell froze over. (It’s way past time time someone said this about public expression of personal faith.)

  • I’ve said before that the only way I would tolerate Hillary Clinton as the Dem nominee is if she was running against Huckabee: former Arkansas first lady vs. former Arkansas governor, and all that.

  • Someone should tell Huckabee that if he’s going to steal his material from Larry Miller, he should at least get it right. I can’t recall the exact verbatim quote but I believe it is something like:”there will be prayer in public schools as long as there are Algebra tests.”

  • Anyone know who Dobson, Perkins, etc. like so far? I know they’ve come out pretty aggressively against McCain and Giuliani, and to some extent Romney.

    My understanding is that Dobson, et. al. are actually warming up to Romney. I think he’s got the inside track for the GOP nomination, FWIW.

  • he’s the only Republican potential candidate that isn’t completely nuts.

    Bingo. I heard a quote from him on NPR about his stance on poverty and it could have been taken directly from an Edwards stump speech. It is too bad he doesn’t have a chance at the nomination

  • I must say that I just skimmed the plethora of comments, here, but I thought you had a few points.

    I personally think that the GOP may have a big issue with splits this election. Most of the ‘top-running’ candidates, those most likely to declare, run, and then gain a nomination – are those who are controversial in some format. For example, Guliani’s stances on moralethical issues or McCain’s stance on the war – and it may be stretching it to even umbrella the Republican moderates with the Republican far Right, this time around. I wonder if, sometime in the not-too-distant future, they will even split the party? We shall see.

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