I watch debates, so you don’t have to

Towards the end of yesterday’s debate for the Republican presidential field, Mitt Romney used one of his canned lines he’d obviously been waiting to use. In response to a question about supporting the eventual GOP nominee, no matter who it is, Romney said, “[I]n terms of supporting these guys, I’ve come to know these people now over these debates…. This is a lot like ‘Law and Order’ — it has a huge cast, the series seems to go on forever, and Fred Thompson shows up at the end.”

Thompson responded, “And to think I thought I was going to be the best actor on the stage.”

As Homer Simpson would say, “It’s funny because it’s true.” Romney’s right, Thompson’s campaign is shallow and meaningless; and Thompson’s right; Romney is a phony who’ll say anything to get elected.

Watching the GOP field for two hours, one is reminded of just how impressive the Democratic field is. No one could possibly learn anything from these debates. The Republican candidates want to cut taxes, cut spending while investing in all of their favorite causes, argue inexplicably that federal coffers swell as a result of less revenue, and defend an indefensible Iraq policy.

Oh, and attack Hillary Clinton as if she were already the nominee.

Giuliani, who makes Clinton a frequent target on the campaign trail, accused Clinton of trying to “put a lid on our growth.”

Poking fun at Clinton’s proposal for a $5,000 bond for newborns, he said it would come “with her picture on it.”

Giuliani said, “I challenged her. She has backed off that. She has a new one today. This one is, she’s going to give out $1,000 to everybody to set up a 401(k).The problem is, this one costs $5 billion more than the last one.”

Making it clear he expects Clinton to be the Democratic nominee, Romney said, “I can’t wait to talk about the fact that I spent my life in the economy…. I can’t wait to debate with her, because I’ve done it. She’s just talked about it.”

Indeed, in this sense, Clinton was clearly yesterday’s big winner. The Republicans weren’t just preoccupied with her; they were practically obsessed. Giuliani was asked about the lower tax rates applied to private equity firms. Asked if that was a fair policy, he said, “The leading Democratic candidate once said that the unfettered free market is the most destructive force in modern America.” Clinton didn’t say that, but more importantly, it was symptomatic of the larger problem — much of the GOP field has decided it would rather attack Clinton than answer questions.

As a sign of just how ridiculous the debate was, consider the fact that Brownback and Tancredo argued over Brownback’s mom, in the context of unions.

BROWNBACK: Sure. They’ve been good for the United States, I think, historically. My mother was a union member. She was a mail carrier, a rural mail carrier. She called herself a “postal packin’ grandma” for a good period of time. And it helped her on health care. It helped her, I think, in some negotiations.

TANCREDO: Sam, I don’t — your mom, if she was a postal worker, believe me, she didn’t need a union on top of Civil Service. (Laughter.) The fact is that —

SEN. BROWNBACK: Don’t pick on my mother. (Laughter.)

REP. TANCREDO: I’m sure she’s a sweetheart.

SEN. BROWNBACK: I love my mother. (Laughter, applause.)

REP. TANCREDO: I’m sure she’s a sweetheart, but she doesn’t — she didn’t need —

SEN. BROWNBACK: Leave my mother out of this.

REP. TANCREDO: — both, I’ll guarantee you.

The second most heated exchange came when Romney and Giuliani argued over the line-item veto and commuter taxes. Gripping it was not.

The WaPo’s Steven Pearlstein’s reaction was spot-on.

[F]or two hours yesterday, the nine white men who would be president were each peddling the Big Lie that the only way to ensure economic growth is by cutting all the taxes ever created — and when you’re finished with that, cutting them some more….

It is becoming clear, not just from this and previous debates but also from their speeches and position papers, that the leading Republican candidates aren’t serious about economic issues.

A friend told me that watching the debate was like “watching a bunch of high-school jocks debate economics in an econ 101 class.”

Perhaps, but I can think of plenty of high-school jocks who are smarter, more honest, and more coherent than the Republican presidential field.

What you realize over and over again that this is a party of greed, without any real attempt to make sense. Their only unifying position is hatred of the strawman liberals they keep inventing.

  • It was Ron Paul and the Eight Deadly Stages of the Global War On a Psychological State. I believe that everyone on that stage used the mythical expression “Islam-O-Fascism” except for Paul.

    Freddie Thompson looked like Roddy McDowall from Planet of the Apes and sounded like he had swallowed a frog prior to the debate.

  • …defend an indefensible Iraq policy.

    For all of those not paying attention (and I don’t think that includes CB), Ron Paul wants to end the occupation and American Imperialism.

  • …one is reminded of just how impressive the Democratic field is.

    Which one? The one who didn’t vote for the Patriot Act?

  • Vacuum-Up Economics would live on if any of these corporate tools/fools somehow gets to the White House.

  • “much of the GOP field has decided it would rather attack Clinton than answer questions.”

    this is the way they always handle things. smear everything they can get their hands on.

    what a useless waste of air.

  • The scary thing is these candidates are no dumbies. They know to “speak to their audience” and so the astute observations made by Pearlstein and your friend cut another way. This rhetoric is meaningful for a threshold of our fellow citizens to the tune of 30% or so. You know, our friends and neighbors – the ones who helped reelect our current president. -Kevo

  • I think what makes any candidate great is the ability to transcend the party, to unite Dems, Republicans, and Independents around good ideas that make sense. While he didn’t get many chances last night to put these ideas out there, Mike Huckabee is such a candidate. Look up his positions on education, on healthcare. Not only does he have fresh ideas to get behind, but he has the personality to bring all parties together. He calls this potential change in bi-partisan politics as Vertical policy. Give me that. Give me Mike Huckabee.

  • Ugh, give up Ron Paul already. The Right doesn’t like him, the Left (rightly) thinks he’s a joke, and his supporters have a selective memory for those rare instances when what comes out of his mouth doesn’t peg the Ayn Rand Kook-o-meter. Spamming the ENTIRE INTERNET mimicking a huge support base doesn’t actually mean he has huge support.

  • Recently Matt Taibbi had a piece on John McCain in AlterNet. It is marvelous and I recommend it to readers. He describes McCain peddling himself to South Carolina Repubs. The descriptions Matt describes are priceless and a good example of the level of “intelligence” of Republican voters, at least in South Carolina.

  • I disagree Kevo. Those “30 percenters” aren’t watching these debates and forming their own opinions. They are listening to what FOX has to say about the debate and mimicking that opinion.

    So in this way, the debates do NOT know their audience.

  • Does anybody recall that during the last 2 presidential elections, the Republicans were pretty sure of themselves when it came to their Presidential Candidates. Given their Rove strategy and the use of third parties to attack the Democratic Candidates, the Republican Presidential candidate could stay above the fray. (Swift boating, etc) They claimed they had nothing to do with any of the lies and misrepresentations in all those advertisements, and all the pundits on the MSM.

    Today; it’s a little different: They are so scared of losing the election, that they can’t wait for the Democratic Nominee to be picked by the Democratic electorate during the primaries. Collectively, they have decided to anoint Hillary Clinton, in order to be able to keep on attacking her.

    I’d call that a good sign of desperation.

    Maybe someone should suggest to them, that since they are so sure that they want Hillary to be the Democratic Nominee, and since the polls show that she seems to be in the lead…. Maybe, just maybe, we could skip the entire election hoopla and agree that Hillary Clinton becomes President, with Obama as VP, since he’s the second most attacked democratic nominee.

    Of course we’d have to give them some concessions:

    Mitt Romney becomes the President – I mean Governor – of Utah.
    Rudy Giuliani becomes president – I mean mayer – of Nome Alaska.
    Ron Paul becomes President – I mean business parter – of Save the whales with Ralph Nader
    Mike Huckebee becomes president – I mean CEO – of weight watchers
    Fred Thompson get’s to be President – I mean play president – in the next 5 blockbuster movies
    Sam Brownback becomes President – I mean tour guide – at the Intelligent Design Museum.
    Tom Tancredo becomes President – I mean Grand Whizzard – of the Klan.
    John McCain….. oh…. he’s still around?

    🙂

  • Maybe I am missong something. As Rudy attacks Hillary I keep waiting for one of the rethugs to jump on him by saying ” Rudy you had a chance to take on Hillary when she first ran for the senate, but you backed out. How do we know you won’t chicken out again and quit the presidential race?”

  • Larry – I think Rudy “chickened out” of the Senate run because he was diagnosed with prostate cancer…don’t think I would attack him for that.

  • “The leading Democratic candidate once said that the unfettered free market is the most destructive force in modern America.”

    No, she didn’t.

    I did.

    Because it’s true.

  • Rudy is all tough talk about Clinton, but that one is a campaign ad waiting to happen: her lead over him in national polls is in the single digits, but her lead over him in New York runs around 18-20%.

    Call our ad “Lets Ask the People Who Know Them Both the Best”

    New Yorkers have seen them both up close. They have a feel for how they have been represented by them both. And they prefer Clinton – a carpetbagger for chrissakes (no offense, Steve) – over the Mayor of 9/11 by large numbers.

    I find that rather telling. I suspect a lot of independents and undecideds would as well.

    Ultimately, I think any of our top candidates would beat any of theirs. But I really think HRC would beat JulieAnnie in a big, big way.

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