If 70 is ‘too old’ to be VP…

We talked yesterday about a survey The Hill conducted among all 97 senators who aren’t currently running for president. A few expressed interest, though the most enthusiastic responses came from those who aren’t likely to be considered. Delaware’s Tom Carper said, “I’ve been kidding people for years: The hours are better, the wages are just as good — whoever heard of a vice president getting shot at? — and it’s a great opportunity to travel…. Anybody here would [accept a VP offer], if they’re going to be honest.”

Speaking of honesty, TPM posted an item noting the responses from some of the Republican caucus’ septuagenarians: “Don’t you find it odd that three Republican Senators (Thad Cochran, 70; Pete Domenici, 76; Chuck Grassley, 74) all noted that they were too old to be Vice President. Kind of odd given the circumstances of the current Republican nominee…”

Good point. Here are the specific responses:

* Sen. Thad Cochran (R-Miss.) — “When I was much younger I would have probably said, ‘Sure, I’ll be glad to accept it,’ but I’m 70 years [old] and they need a younger person for the job. I would probably tell them, ‘Look for somebody else.’ ”

* Sen. Pete Domenici (R-N.M.) — “No. I’m too old.”

* Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) — “I’m too old to be vice president. But I am young enough to be reelected to the Senate.”

Given that John McCain will be 72 this year, and is already running to be the oldest person ever elected president, his colleagues’ comments probably aren’t entirely welcome at McCain HQ. After all, if someone in his 70s is too old to be vice president, what does it say about the candidate in his 70s running to be president?

Matt Yglesias added:

I think this’ll be an interesting issue to keep an eye on. Young people will definitely mock McCain for being old and his age will probably render people below a certain age immune to the cult of personality around him that’s impacted a lot of self-loathing boomers in the press.

But if anyone develops serious worries about McCain’s age per se, it’ll probably be his fellow senior citizens. Most folks I’m familiar with in their seventies are, like these GOP Senators, pretty aware of and realistic about their own situation and that of their friends and other peers in ways that might give them doubts about McCain.

That’s interesting; I hadn’t thought about it that way. I’ve heard from some seniors I know that McCain is too old for them, but it never occurred to me that this might actually be a concern among other septuagenarians (and octogenarians, and nonagenarians…).

Most of the polling numbers I’ve seen seem to point to considerably stronger support for McCain among seniors, while Obama is favored heavily by younger voters. But might there be some lingering doubts among those similar in age to McCain? Especially if he keeps having “senior moments“?

Honestly, I like George Mitchell a lot but i think he is too old to be VP.

I think McCain would be an idiot to pick Jindal as VP. That would be saying “Yes, you should be concerned about my age but if I can’t serve out my term then this really young guy would get the job.”

  • In fairness (i know, what fun is that?) context likely played into those answers. That is, the issue is would you be McCain’s VP, and these guys all know a thing or two about politics and realized that two septuagenarians on a ticket was a non-starter. Had, say, Huckabee won and had the press been pushing a “he could use someone with a little grey in their hair to lend him gravitas” like they did with W, these answers may have been different.

  • Age is one thing and mileage is another.

    I guess one way to talk about McCain’s age without mentioning age is to talk about the importance of his VP selection since McCain would most likely be a one term Pres at most.

  • I get the feeling that they view the Vice Presidency as a stepping stone to the Presidency, so, in their opinion, a younger VP is more likely to catapult two successful terms second chair into a valid candidacy for first chair than someone who would be near 80.

    It won’t matter anyway, because McCain won’t win.

  • Mark P got it. These guys know that McCan’t needs a younger VP to bring confidence to his ticket.

  • “Young people will definitely mock McCain for being old.”

    Then shame on young people. Brit Hume is wrong, McCain did not have any senior moment, he is an opportunistic warmongering politician.

  • We should keep in mind that none of these guys have great relationships with McCain.

    Domenici and McCain have traded insults:
    http://www.abqjournal.com/news/washington/1coleman04-27-08.htm

    Grassley and McCain upped the ante, and had a shouting and shoving match:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/20/john-mccain-charles-grass_n_97626.html

    And Cochran stated, for the record, that the thought of McCain as president “sends a chill down my spine”
    http://blog.reidreport.com/2008/01/thad-cochran-john-mccain-scares-me.html

    I don’t think it’s an accident that they all dismissed the idea of being his VP, and did so in a way that made him take a hit as well.

  • I think McCain would be an idiot to pick Jindal as VP.

    Agreed. If you’re running on experience, that’s as hard a sell as you can get — and removes a lot of the ammo he’d try to aim at Obama.

    Plus, Jindal is 36 and McCain will be 72 by Election Day. Being literally twice as old as your running mate only calls attention to the age issue.

  • maybe we should start a pool to see who can come closest to guessing the date when McCain, in a stunning fit of unoriginality and fealty to the Church of St. Ronnie, repeats verbatim Reagan’s effective quip about how he wont use the age and inexperience of his opponent against him.

  • Purely speculating here, but some might consider themselves to be too old, not for the vice presidency, but to be the presumptive nominee in 2016.

    Which, by the way, is something Obama should consider when selecting his running mate (e.g. Gov. Strickland is 66 and will, if all goes well, be 74 in 2016).

  • Seriously, I’m personally not the least bit concerned about the age of political candidates. It is fun pushing McCain’s buttons, yes, but his age doesn’t bother me. What bothers me is that he is a hot-tempered, ill-mannered, far-right extremist trying to pass himself off as a calm, polite, centrist moderate. And largely succeeding thanks to a compliant press.

  • Meh. McCain’s just a few years older then Reagan was during his first term. I agree his age isn’t as much a factor as his policies are.

    Funny. I could have sworn Reagan was older during his presidency. Perhaps he just looked older through my eyes at the time.

  • uuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…… Shade Tail

    all true, but exactly how do you think the aging process is going to impact these traits and character defects? Are they going to get better?

    Surely his age has an impact on how he reacts and controls himself. If you have followed the crap he spews (which is mostly not reported in the MSM) age is probably affecting his ability to think critically, and his judgment. This is exactly what makes him the perfect candidate to carry on dur chimpfurher’s “legacy.”

    Really, everything in your post is a REASON WHY AGE SHOULD MATTER.

  • Has everybody talking about a one-term McCain presidency (with the VP the anointed successor) lost their marbles? That’s not the way it works. If McCain by some miracle slips into the White House and is then popular enough for the VP to have a chance in 2012, McCain himself will not be stepping aside.

  • I was a child during Reagan’s presidency. McCain looks older. For one thing, Reagan kept his hair (and dyed it). For another, Reagan’s personality knocked 10 years off his perceived age. McCain isn’t genial enough.

    Age is going to be an issue.

  • “all true, but exactly how do you think the aging process is going to impact these traits and character defects? Are they going to get better?”

    Completely beside the point. The fact that McCain has those character defects is enough by itself to disqualify him. And he’s had these defects for a long time. Go back 25-30 years. He’s always been an ignorant, angry far-rightist, so his age can’t account for it.

    Besides, I’ve known a fair number of people McCain’s age and older. Three of my grandparents, for instance, survived into their 80’s (two of them are still alive and now in their 90’s), and all were/are perfectly lucid, smart, and as un-McCain-like as it is possible for intelligent people to be. So the excuse you are unwittingly giving McCain (“I can’t be expected to control myself; I’m OLD!”) really doesn’t hold water.

    So saying that McCain’s failings can be blamed on his age is, at best, gross over-simplification and probably outright false. Age really can’t account for this. Far more likely, it is PTSD from his time as a POW that is causing him to be such a bastard.

  • Shade Tail – I accept that it’s “beside the point”, but many rational people know that the issues you discuss are not going to get better with age. We are not talking about fine wine here – we are talking about a man that is increasingly becoming less coherent and is only a “credible” candidate because of the lies the msm “catapults.” (as you point out).

    His age is a real issue for much of America and it should be whether you want to recognize it or not.

  • Kindly stop putting words in my mouth, little. Re-read my post at #14; I quite specifically said that this was my personal perspective. I never claimed it shouldn’t matter to other people.

    If you want to consider it an issue, go ahead. But if you’re trying to convince me to change my mind, you’re doing a poor job of it.

  • McCain is the same age as:
    1936
    Hoover Dam finished and begins creating hydroelectric power
    Helicopter Invented – Germany by Heinrich Focke
    Magnetic Recording Invented – USA audio tapes
    Zippo Lighter Invented – USA Zippo Manufacturing

    McCain is older then:

    1937
    Amelia Mary Earhart mysteriously disappeared over the Pacific Ocean during a circumnavigation flight
    The German airship Hindenberg bursts into flames while attempting to moor at Lakehurst, New Jersey.
    Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
    The Hobbit is published by J. R. R. Tolkien
    The Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco, is opened.

    1938
    The First use of A seeing eye dogs occurs
    Fair Labor Standards Act US with Minimum Hourly Rate of 25 cents
    Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae – FNMA) Established
    March of Dimes Polio Foundation Created.
    Oil is discovered in Saudi Arabia.
    Ball Point Pens are introduced

    1941
    A bill creates the fourth Thursday in November as Thanksgiving Day

    1942
    ” White Christmas ” Bing Crosby
    Instant Coffee Introduced

    1943
    Thomas Jefferson Memorial in Washington D.C is Completed
    The Pentagon in Washington D.C. is Completed

    1944
    The CIA is Formed
    Sunscreen invented – USA by Benjamin Green

  • Shade – couldn’t give less of a rat’s posterior about changing your mind – most would agree that character defects that are becoming more obvious as a person ages do mean that aging is an issue – but think what you want.

    Your personal opinion is not really that important – if it is foolish and you spout it in public, expect comments.

  • Really, little, you’re making me giggle. If you didn’t care about my opinions, then you wouldn’t comment on them. But feel free to tell yourself that you really don’t care, if it helps you sleep at night.

    And you, of all people, are in no position to even recognize that others are acting foolish, let alone criticize them for it. After all, you seem incapable of seeing the foolishness that would be before your eyes whenever you look in a mirror. But I’ll tell you what. When you start acting more mature than my 6-year-old boy, I’ll give your accusations some consideration.

    Sleep tight, child.

  • I was thinking about Carper’s comment that no one shoots vice presidents. Has anyone ever noticed how many vice presidents shoot other people? Specifically, Burr and Cheney. That’s almost five percent of US Vice Presidents who have shot people outside of military combat. WTF?

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