If he’s lost John Warner….

In October, then-Senate Armed Forces Committee Chairman John Warner (R-Va.) said, “In two or three months, if this thing hasn’t come to fruition and if this level of violence is not under control … I think it’s the responsibility of our government, internally, to determine: Is there a change of course that we should take? And I wouldn’t take off the table any option at this time.” That three-month deadline came and went a couple of weeks ago.

To his credit, Warner is putting a new option on the table.

Sen. John Warner (R-VA) will introduce a resolution today “making clear that he does not support the President on increasing the troop levels in Iraq” and calling escalation “a mistake,” CNN’s Dana Bash reports. Warner’s resolution will be cosponsored by Sens. Susan Collins (R-ME) and Ben Nelson (D-NE).

Warner, the former Armed Services Committee chairman, is a “very influential voice when it comes to military matters,” Bash reports, and until this fall had been “whole-heartedly behind the president and the war.” His new resolution “certainly…is not going to sit well with the White House.”

I think that’s a safe assumption. Warner is considered an elder statesman of the Senate GOP caucus, in addition to being a credible, experienced voice on foreign policy and national security issues. If Warner steps away from the White House, he takes some Republican colleagues with him.

For that matter, this isn’t just a problem for the Bush gang of losing an influential GOP voice; it also undercuts the ongoing smear of White House critics. As recently as last week, Tony Snow argued that any congressional resolution, even a non-binding one, may lend comfort to our enemies. Is Snow, Rove, and the rest of the gang really prepared to impugn John Warner’s patriotism?

It’s also worth noting that Warner does not appear to have reached this point overnight. A couple of weeks ago, he was publicly calling on the White House to embrace the path laid out by the Iraq Study Group. Warner said, “Young men and women of US forces and coalition forces should not be caught in the crossfire of a civil war prompted by who should have succeeded Mohammed in — what is it? — 650 AD?”

The same week, Warner told the NYT that Bush’s escalation strategy struck him as the wrong move.

In an interview on Tuesday, Senator John W. Warner, Republican of Virginia, said he was becoming increasingly skeptical that a troop increase was in the best interest of the United States. “I’m particularly concerned about the greater injection of our troops into the middle of sectarian violence. Whom do you shoot at, the Sunni or the Shia?” Mr. Warner said. “Our American G.I.’s should not be subjected to that type of risk.”

Today, apparently, Warner followed through on those concerns.

That said, it’s a complicated political dynamic, and Warner’s new resolution, while certainly bad news for the White House, isn’t necessarily great news for the Senate’s efforts to criticize the president. War critics had been moving towards backing the bi-partisan Biden-Hagel-Levin resolution, unveiled last week. Though I have not yet seen the language, it appears that Warner’s measure will include weaker, less-forceful language.

Dems had hoped to get several GOP votes for Biden-Hagel-Levin, demonstrating broad opposition to the president’s policy. Wavering Republicans may now move towards Warner’s resolution instead, as a way of rebuking Bush’s escalation, but in a more passive way.

Nevertheless, the debate is leaning in the right way — it’s not a debate about whether to criticize Bush’s policy, but rather, how much to criticize Bush’s policy.

It’s amazing what 25 deaths in one day can accomplish.

And the fact that that helicopter was shot down is important, given that helicopers are now the major form of personnel transport in Iraq. A few more of those and people aren’t going to want to get on those crashes-waiting-to-happen. And with the roads as they are, with the ambushes on the southern supply line (largely unreported, but growing), things are going from bad to worse on a daily basis. I take no joy in reporting that.

Having Warner and Snow on board for the resolution, and coming up with a grand revision of it that they all can sign onto is going to give us a 60+ vote in the Senate, and that will be The Big One as far as “political earthquakes” are concerned.

  • I kinda feel that Bush is going to do what he wants anyway, no matter what any segment of Congress says. The more Republicans on Bush’s train when it crashes the better.

  • A war supporter who doesn’t apply a new F.U. (6 month Friedman Unit – see Atrios) every time their last deadline is passed is a rare bird indeed. This coming right before bushie’s SOTU address can’t be welcome news at all. To Bush&Co.

    To me? 🙂

  • The reason people are criticizing Bush’s escalation plan before he tries it is because he did NOT get any criticism of the plan while compiling it.

  • With all due respect to Senator Warner, he’s nothing but a disgruntled hack who’s got an axe to grind and tremendous credibility issues that he really needs to address more fully before he attempts any criticism of the President or our troops in Iraq. And the fact that he’s now joined the Blame America First Caucus only makes that point more clear. It’s understandable why the Senator would prefer to undermine our efforts to defeat the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11, seeing as how his political career has floundered since the issues of his personal indiscretions became public. But it would be preferable if he could instead dissent using the proper channels, rather than to jeopardize our national security as he has done by signaling to the terrorists his intent to undermine our mission in Iraq and elsewhere. We can only hope that Senator Warner eventually comes to his senses and apologizes to the country for the damage he has done.

    Just thought I’d beat Rove to the punch on this one, though I’m sure he’s probably already faxing out a copy of something similar to all his talk radio buddies.

  • Is Snow, Rove, and the rest of the gang really prepared to impugn John Warner’s patriotism?

    Yup!

    Their job is to say what their master wants to hear and what master wants to hear is “I’m right, everyone else is wrong.” This is not a case of GOP v. DP, it is a case of BushCo v. Anyone who dares to disagree. If that means calling Warner, Hagel and anyone else a terrorist enabler, so be it.

    I bet BushBrat and Dick cuddle in the Oval Office crooning “You and me against the world…” to one another.

    Sorry about the stomach-churning mental image.

  • Dadgumit, tAiO, I just got over the stomach flu and here you’ve gone done given it to me again. 😉

  • I’m beginning to wonder if the Democrats aren’t setting an impeachment trap. There will be some strings attached, I think, when Congress finally authorizes the money; they’ll expect Bush to snap those strings, and I don’t think he’ll disappoint them. Then the simmering constitutional crisis we’re already dealing with will boil over, and it will be time for everyone to choose sides.

    That point is when the opposition of people like Warner could really matter.

  • Here is the best option for Bu$h, at is is painfully obvious that he and his handlers are making too much money (why else would they be so hell bent on staying?) on this war to pull out entirely: Resign the presidency and vice presidency, become Blackwater and Halliburton CEO’s, and stay there until everey last Iraqi and mercenary is blown to bits, but the oil fields are secure. Get our troops out of Iraq, let Bu$h and Cheney clean up the mess with their mercenary force.

  • Heartbreaking NPR story this morning: on a Korean American GI who died Christmas day, and his family. They ran his mother telling the NCO who came with a wreath and praise for the soldier, “I don’t need to know this…I just need my son.”

    War is always hell, and sometimes still necessary: but for this one, where arrogant and ignorant leaders blithely are throwing their fellow citizens into a bloody hell for their own pride, mere “criticism” isn’t enough any more, I thought, as I heard the story. Something a little more biblical is called for: “Maledicti sint!” The stain on their consciences is dark.

  • OT regarding #11: I had to read that post twice before I realized it wasn’t about a tragic death of a Korean War GI. What does this guy being “Korean” have to do with anything? Or is the guy a citizen of Korea too?

    Points to ponder: Would it have been more or less tragic if the guy had been Japanese American? African American? Buddhist American? Salsa-dancin’ American? Isn’t an American soldier an American soldier for god sakes? Should the mother have said “…I just need my Korean American son”? Sorry for the tirade but this sort of thing pushes my buttons.

  • I’ll disagree with Frak on this one. Normally, I think such labels are a Bad Thing, but until every last militaristic right-winger has stopped being an anti-immigrant, white supremecist, Christofascist I am all for reminding everyone over and over how many Koreans, Hispanics, Blacks, Muslims, Wiccans, Athiests, etc. also do their part to serve this country, and unfortunately are among those — likely in higher shares than their absolute percentage of the population — who make the ultimate sacrifice so that the wingnut blowhards and their kids dont have to.

  • Re Biobrain’s disparagement of Warner–I agree. I once heard from a woman who lived in Upperville, VA near both Warner and his former father in law Paul Mellon that all Mellon ever did was call Warner, “Dumb John”. I can’t get that out of my mind whenever anyone praises him. I’m not sure I can recall a single thing he has ever done. I know, I know, he was Navy Secretary for Reagan–big deal. The so-called Reagan Navy was started by Carter–I grew up in a shipyard town and my father worked on the submarines built there. Believe me, we knew the contracts had been put out before Carter(a sailor don’t forget)left office. So I still have no regard for Warner–just another leech who has managed to stay around long enough feasting on the credit due others that we think he actually managed to contribute. Forget it.

  • One of the great blessings our nation has faced is the fact that we have not dealt with a war on our soil since the Civil War. It’s a major blessing that we haven’t faced bombs etc…But, I sometimes think it is part of our problem too because it makes the US not understand the true horror we unleash when we invade, and bomb other countries. Just how serious and terrible it really is.. The only way you get an understanding is if you have lost someone close from a war.
    I haven’t lost anyone in a war, but I know that my Great Aunt lost her fiance at D-Day. She was so devestated by the loss that she became a nun. Thirty years later, she was given a dispensation and she did marry but it was too late for children. (She was happily married for many years.)

    Still, I know that my poor Great Aunt too this day thinks about what would have happened if she hadn’t lost her young man. Apparently my Aunt took my Grandmother and her to Flag of our Fathers, and my Great Aunt just bawled through the movie.

    The other day we were talking about how this Great Aunt is totally against the Iraq War, and my Aunt who supports it says, well that’s just because of her fiance experience. And I said to my Aunt; You know what I think Aunt Betty is a much better judge of when it is and is not appropriate to go to war. Because she’s someone who understands first hand the consquences.

    The point I’m making is that I sometimes think the reason Americans can be so quick to support a war, is partially because most of us haven’t truly experienced its horror first hand. It’s easy when it’s someone else child, fiance etc..

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