Immigration drives Huckabee completely over the edge

I remember the good ol’ days, sometimes called “2005,” when Mike Huckabee was fairly reasonable on immigration. He supported in-state college tuition for children of illegal immigrants and opposed an immigration raid of a poultry plant that led to the deportation of illegal immigrants. More recently, he endorsed Bush’s immigration policy, denounced in right-wing circles as “amnesty.” Huckabee insisted that he supports measures that “provide[s] a path for workers to become legal,” and denounced conservative critics of immigration reform, condemning them for being “driven by racism or nativism.” He even declined to have state police enforce immigration laws, despite the go-ahead from Arkansas lawmakers.

When he addressed the issue, he’d talk about “compassion” and “morality.” Huckabee saw an ugly side of his party when it came to immigration, and he didn’t like it. He made no effort to hide his belief that immigrations, legal or not, contributed to the U.S. economy, and saw little reason to change.

That is, until he gained a legitimate shot at the Republican presidential nomination. A month ago, he “released a new plan calling for all illegal workers to register with federal authorities and return to their native countries within 120 days.” This week, it gets worse — much worse.

Mike Huckabee wants to amend the Constitution to prevent children born in the U.S. to illegal aliens from automatically becoming American citizens, according to his top immigration surrogate — a radical step no other major presidential candidate has embraced.

Mr. Huckabee, who won last week’s Republican Iowa caucuses, promised Minuteman Project founder James Gilchrist that he would force a test case to the Supreme Court to challenge birthright citizenship, and would push Congress to pass a 28th Amendment to the Constitution to remove any doubt.

My first thought was that Gilchrist might be wrong about Huckabee’s intentions, but when the far-right Washington Times asked the Huckabee campaign for comment, a spokesperson did not dispute Gilchrist’s assessment.

There’s been quite a bit of right-wing pandering and flip-flopping of late, but I’m a little surprised Huckabee would stoop this low. Indeed, Huckabee has now carved out a niche all his own.

The 14th Amendment says “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.” Huckabee now rejects this, and is the only candidate in the field who supports a constitutional amendment to undo what the 14th Amendment did.

It’s pretty obvious that the right, which knows all about Huckabee’s record on the issue, isn’t impressed. Take National Review’s Mark Levin, for example.

Heading into South Carolina, where illegal immigration appears to be the biggest issue among Republicans, Huckabee is going to support a constitutional amendment prohibiting birthright citizenship? Did I not hear him in several debates, including on Sunday, admonishing those of us who’ve long opposed birthright citizenship, about God’s children coming out of the shadows? Is this not the same man who only a few months ago supported McCain-Kennedy?

Romney has explained his conversion on abortion — the day it occurred, how it occurred, and why it occurred. We have to make judgments about the credibility of a politician making a conversion, based on their records, recent statements, and ultimately, character. You can accept it or not. But for Huckabee to throw on the table such a dramatic shift of position from one day to the next, just before the South Carolina primary, without ever indicating such a view during any of the debates or in any of his many media appearances since the beginning of his run for president, is to me as cynical as it gets in a season of cynical acts.

It’s the funny thing about pandering; if the audience doesn’t believe you, it doesn’t work.

Update: Via Chris, Huckabee is now denying the accuracy of the Washington Times report.

I don’t think the National Review is Huckabee’s audience, though.

  • Mike Huckabee wants to amend the Constitution to prevent children born in the U.S. to illegal aliens from automatically becoming American citizens,

    Heh. He’s trying to steal the Pauliticers. RoPaul has introduced at least one bill to make the same amendment to the 14th.

    Will RP call him out?

    Will I die of a popcorn OD before November 2008?

  • This was exactly the position that Pete Wilson took in the early/mid 90s in California:

    Mike Huckabee wants to amend the Constitution to prevent children born in the U.S. to illegal aliens from automatically becoming American citizens, according to his top immigration surrogate — a radical step no other major presidential candidate has embraced.

    I hope he sticks with it. It’ll be the beginning of the end for the GOP as a national party, just as it took down the GOP in California.

  • Does no one else think it a little scary that Huckabee is basically trying to overturn the 14th amendment? You know, the one that made ex-slaves citizens?

    I still don’t think he’s as dangerous as Guiliani, but Huckabee is straining my patience with this crap. He really needs to think harder about who his friends should be.

  • Mike Huckabee is just plain crazy, leaping from position to position in an attempt to out-promise everyone; remember his promise to have Americans using zero energy at some future date? He’s a crackpot who has no idea what he’s saying and even less than no idea about how to achieve any of the things he’s promising. What’s amazing – and testament to the stink of failure coming off the rest of the Republican hopefuls – is how he’s made it this far.

  • So what is the alternative to birthright citizenship for these folks? Would my son, as the child of two citizens, have to “prove” himself worthy of citizenship?

  • Let’s see… If my mother is an illegal immigrant, and I marry another child of an illegal, then are our kids illegals too? Yes, and their descendants unto the tenth generation! (See, there is good Biblical precedent for harsh treatment of the offspring for the sins of their fathers!)

    Madness!

    The Republicans never cease to amaze me. It’s a race to the bottom. Who is the most warlike, meanest, craziest SOB in the room? “Me,” says Huckabee. “No, me,” says Romney. “No, you’re all wrong, it’s me,” screams Giuliani.

  • According to Sulli, the story is untrue. Huck does not suppport amending the constitution.

  • Thinking is indeed hard work. Can anyone help Benen out and provide some sort of motivation Huck might have had to be “reasonable”?

    Hint: it involves chickens. I think that if you the reader thinks it all the way through and does research you’ll see there’s a lot more to what he did than just “reasonableness”.

    Also, can anyone spot a problem with the claim that Huck “supported in-state college tuition for children of illegal immigrants”?

    As for the 14th, the author of the relevant part explicitly said it wasn’t intended to apply to “foreigners”. Let me suggest more research there as well.

  • I think it someone born here of illegal parents should not be a citizen. The founders didn’t have a problem like we have currently, but under the jurisdiction means lawful citizens. I hope it happens soon so we can do away with the Anchor baby question.

  • Mike Huckabee is correct in this decision. Every body is complaining about illegals and everybody want something done about. chng the constitution this will cut every thing off. no family will be split up and there would be no hard feelings. We have got to stop illegal immigration at the root and that is the begining. Illegal Immigration is taking away from this Country in an enormous way. If we do not deal with it the our country may end up like theres. I AGREE with huck, stop them with a constitutional amendment, then seal up the borders, then return everybody back to there original country and allow them to apply for citizenship like every body else. There is no other way to deal with this. A Constitutional amendment would force congress to obey the law, as of right now they are just turning a deaf ear to it. GO HUCK! I am with you…

  • Re 13 and 14,

    Hey guys, how about we fix the LEGAL immigration system first so we get the workers we need to keep this economy moving. You know, we could double the number of Mexicans who can apply in a year so they don’t have to wait fifteen years to immigrate, unlike say, the Irish who wait less than one.

    The Founders didn’t have a problem like we have currently.

    The Founders were all f**king illegal aliens themselves. You think the Native Americans wanted all these White Racists coming here?

  • Howard,

    I will only agree with you, if we can immediately deport huckabee.

    Seriously, Huckabee is within a generation or two of illegals. if he apply what he just said to himself he won’t be in this country. same with some other right wingers such as michelle malkin. Even Governator Arnold was himself illegal for a while himself. I think many archconservative would be surprised if such legislation ever come to pass and they find them selves on the receiving end of a deportation order.

  • “…opposed an immigration raid of a poultry plant that led to the deportation of illegal immigrants….”
    >>>
    I’m sorry, why is it somehow noble to oppose the active enforcement of immigration law? Look, I’m no xenophobe, and would put my liberal credentials up against anyone, but why should someone be praised for this. If the scumbag cheap-labor conservatives owners are skirting the law by hiring illegal immigrants, then they should be raided, fined, possibly jailed, and the illegal workers should be sent home. I know that they are just trying to make a living, but dude, there are legal ways to do it. It’s the employers that I am most angry with here, and the illegals might just get caught in the crossfire, but that’s how the cookie crumbles, and opposing raids isn’t humanitarian in any way. Just my two cents…

  • Perhaps If I had spent 10 more seconds using my brain I would have not screwed up the html tag and said,

    Mark said:

    Mike Huckabee is just plain crazy, leaping from position to position in an attempt to out-promise everyone; remember his promise to have Americans using zero energy at some future date? He’s a crackpot who has no idea what he’s saying and even less than no idea about how to achieve any of the things he’s promising.

    Well, he IS the (other) man from Hope.

    The thing about Huck is he knows that “reasonable” don’t get you any wingnut votes.

  • So the author is criticizing the Huckster for wanting to enforce the current laws. Shall we not enforce the laws on burglary, rape, murder, etc.?

    The 14th Amendment has outlived it’s usefulness. We no longer have freed slaves with no place to go. Nor is our population at such a low point that we welcome all others. Yes we are running out of room and resources.

    I am not a supporter of the Huckster, but on this one he may have it right. That’s assuming of course that he isn’t just pandering to the right.

  • What I can’t believe is that Huckabee would sell out so bizarrely to such a small-time outfit as the Minutemen, who are no more than a minor blip on anybody’s radar, if that. There’s no way they can deliver any sizable voter turnout for Huckie and the firestorm this could kick up will far overshadow any potential benefit he might get from it.

    Politicians make many an ill-considered act, but this one is just plain stupid. If he didn’t realize that then he’s a bigger moron than I ever would have imagined. Of course, it could turn out to be totally fabricated, but it’s still not the kind of coverage he wants right now.

    Hmmm, anybody seen Romney today?


  • The 14th Amendment says “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.”

    If a pregnant tourist gives birth here, are they American?
    What if she doesn’t WANT the babe to have American citizenship? Tough?

    That’s where the “and subject to the jurisdiction” part comes in.
    The word AND says both components are required. I’m not sure there’s any liberty here to substitute “OR” if we feel like it.

    It is questionable whether we have jurisdiction over the children of foreigners including illegals.
    The debate is not cut and dried.

    I also continue to question how compassionate it is to allow American employers to hire people unable to vote, unionize or use the police and courts if they are cheated. If we prosecuted the employers, and the cheap labor pool dried up, they would lobby for more lenient immigration quotas and we’d get more Mexican American CITIZENS who could compete on a level playing field and no one (except racists) could argue their entitlement to the benefits America still offers to us all.

    Why bring in new, poor citizens when you can just work foreigners and pay them if you feel like it?
    No one has ever told me how this makes sense for the immigrants or for most Americans. It makes perfect sense to poultry and agricultural megacorps.

    Immigration reform should be a LIBERAL cause.

  • A housekeeping note:

    Shouldn’t updates, especially ones like this that essentially says “Oops, nevermind”, be at the TOP of the article? Even if you assume that the Huckabee campaign considered this idea and is now backtracking to avoid a backlash (which I do), the update changes the entire focus of the post.

    Just sayin’.

  • I agree with toowearyforoutrage in #23.

    Greedy people love illegal laborers. No unions, no labor law, hell you don’t even have to pay them sometimes. They’re like slaves who willingly show up at the plantation!

    Increasing legal immigration and decreasing illegal immigration should be the progressives’ goal, and not just legal immigration from Mexico. People from all over the world want to come here, but we’ve got a major voting block that’s trying to kick the border open in one particular direction. Not surprisingly, most Americans are in favor of legal immigration, but much to the chagrin of a lot of people on the far left, a large majority is also strongly opposed to letting those who have broken our immigration law get away with it.

  • Correct me if I’m wrong, but if a child who is born in the US is denied citizenship then that makes them citizens of nowhere, right?

    This has got to be one of the most ridiculous flip-flops EVER.

    Huckabee has repeatedly defended his support of not punishing the children for the actions of their parents– and allowing children of immigrants to receive financial assistance for college– but now he’s going directly for the children!?!?!

    Mike Huckabee is a PANDERER of the most absurd degree– well, maybe except for Romney. Although at least Romney changed his mind on issues before his campaign. Now Huckabee is doing it in the middle of the campaign.

    If either Huckabee or Romney is the nominee the GOP is going to regret going after Kerry as a “flip-flopper.”

  • howard @ 13, toowearyforoutrage @23, and all the others here of similar opinion:

    There is no debate about jurisdiction: a person’s mere presence in the US gives the US jurisdiction. In addition, the government claims (and does have, as a pure matter of fact) jurisdiction even over non-citizens outside the US (just ask those now at GITMO, or any number of military bases). We even claim jurisdiction over ex-pats who have renounced their citizenship in favor of other countries (for tax purposes, of course).

    This is about the lamest argument I have ever heard. You cannot simultaneously claim you can enforce laws (like immigration laws) against a person and also claim you don’t have jurisdiction (in latin, roughly “to say what the law is”).

    The standard way to read this clause is: all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and [are thus/consequently] subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.

  • Any newspaper from a large city with the word “Times” in its title seems to be getting less and less trustworthy these days, especially if the owner is Sun Myung Moon.

  • “Shouldn’t updates, especially ones like this that essentially says “Oops, nevermind”, be at the TOP of the article?”

    Agreed – particularly when there’s a “more” link involved.

  • This isn’t a remarkable idea.

    Germany does not grant citizenship to the children of illegal aliens or visitors who are born in Germany. To be a German citizen you must have at least one German citizen as a parent. This is why the Turkish guest workers, some of whom were born and raised in Germany and have parents who were born and raised in Germany, are irate. They don’t have the right blood line to be citizens.

  • Maybe “no other major Presidential candidate” has favored creating categories of approved and unapproved immigrant births–but Ron Paul did! All it takes is a federal birth registry, paternity testing, and subverting the Constitution and 230 years of legal precedent. It’s the fashionable belief in all the right libertarian circles! What’s government good for if not to determine which immigrant children need to be shipped to Guadalajara. Of course we already knew that Paul’s stuck in neutral, in more ways than one. Hucksterbee, on the other hand, his just shape-shifted again to try to pick up bigot votes in SC and beyond. What’s a divinity degree for, if not to stir up suspicion of people different from yourself?

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  • If a pregnant tourist gives birth here, are they American?
    What if she doesn’t WANT the babe to have American citizenship? — 2weary4outrage, @23

    The answer to 1 is: yes, theoretically. The answer to 2 is: she never applies for any paperwork (like passport) here, but does it in the country of her citizenship, where she raises the child. The child, once he/she is an adult (18), can apply for American citizenship on the basis of the place of birth. He/she can, sometimes, also have dual citizenship, depending on the laws of of his/her country.

    Germany does not grant citizenship to the children of illegal aliens or visitors who are born in Germany. — jen flowers, @32

    Jen, it’s not just Germany; it’s *all* other countries, I think. Certainly all European countries. Usually, the child’s citizenship is the same as his/her father’s; ie, if the mother is a citizen but the father is not, the child is not likely to become a citizen automatically; it would have to be naturalized.

    OTOH, most European countries make it fairly easy for a citizen — of either sex — to get citizenship for the spouse, so that, by the time the child is born, there’s no problem. Here, there’s a lot of hoops one has to get through before becoming a citizen, even if one’s married to a “born-and-bred” American (I know; I went through it); the naturalization process is pretty much the same for a legal alien without any American family and for a spouse.

    Making it difficult to obtain citizenship for a spouse but giving citizenship, automatically, to a child born on American soil had always seemed peculiar to me. It’s like that dispute that two peasants had in an old Russian fairy tale: does the foal belong to the owner of the mare or the owner of the cart under which the mare foaled?

  • He made no effort to hide his belief that immigrations, legal or not, contributed to the U.S. economy.

    Do you believe that the U.S.’s per-capita GDP is actually increased by illegal immigration?

  • Huckabee and Gilchrist are both liars, Huckabee said on CNN yesterday he never said that about birthright citizenship, if there is one thing we do not need it is another liar in the big white house, 7 years is enough, NO MORE. If you want amnesty for 20 to 30 million people who do not respect our laws then vote in any demacrate , McCain or Rudy and you will surely get what you are hoping for.
    Heres the article on Huckabee, Gilchrist and birthright citizenship.
    http://www.alipac.us/index.php

  • Don’t be fooled by Huckabee!! He is very pro amnesty and that has been proven by his track record as govenor of Ar. He and Gilchrist are two liars that cannot keep track of their own lies. Huckabee is a sinking ship and Gilchrist will go down with him! Read more at alipac.us.

  • Huckabee just wants to look like he’ll be tough on illegal immigration. It’s all an act.

  • National Deception: Mike Huckabee and Jim Gilchrist Lie To America

    January 9, 2007

    CONTACT: William Gheen, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC), press@alipac.us (866) 329-3999

    Presidential candidate Mike Huckabee and Minuteman Co-Founder Jim Gilchrist have been documented lying to America by the Washington Times today after false headlines ran on Tuesday proclaiming Mike Huckabee would try to remove birthright citizenship from the Constitution.

    The article confirms that Huckabee lied on CNN about his campaign being contacted about Gilchrist’s false statements and Gilchrist lied in a release about Huckabee’s immigration stances.

    Gilchrist put out a press release on Iowa’s election eve, under the fake name of “Perry Emerson” that contained several false statements and embellishments of Huckabee’s immigration stances. The release claimed Huckabee would try to reverse birthright citizenship laws, which are widely exploited by illegal aliens.

    “We are doing our best to get the truth about these lies, and the hidden amnesty component of the Huckabee immigration plan to the public,” says William Gheen of ALIPAC. “So far, the majority of the national media is not reporting these facts and voters wonder why they are hearing the news from us instead of CNN and Fox. This is a grand national deception in motion and it is absolutely blasphemous that voters are being deceived on a massive scale.”

    ALIPAC launched a campaign to warn voters about Huckabee’s statements on Fox News on Dec. 9 2007, where Huckabee stated illegal aliens could leave the US and return within days permanently and legally. This information was only reported once on Fox and is not included in Huckabee’s distributed immigration plan. The national media is not telling voters that over 84 immigration enforcement organizations, including multiple Minuteman groups, have rebuked Gilchrist’s endorsement of Huckabee.

    “When lies of this scale go unchecked by the media, it is no wonder that our nation is in such great peril today,” said William Gheen. “The Huckabee and Gilchrist immigration deception is a national disaster in motion that will have far reaching negative ramifications for America. Mike Huckabee and Jim Gilchrist are successfully deceiving American voters and they must be stopped.”

    Copies of Gilchrist’s fake name press release, the Washington Times Articles, copies of the video of Huckabee’s “illegals back in days” comments, and the letter signed by the vast majority of groups fighting illegal immigration are available at http://www.alipac.us

    All members of the media are asked to tell voters the truth before it is to late.

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    Paid for by Americans for Legal Immigration AMERICANS FOR LEGAL IMMIGRATION PAC
    Post Office Box 30966, Raleigh, NC 27622-0966
    Tel: (919) 787-6009 Toll Free: (866) 329-3999

    http://www.alipac.us/article-2854-thread-1-0.html

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