In defense of Mickey Kantor

I hesitate to even mention this, in part because it’s a classic non-story, and in part because I suspect the target of the story would much prefer that people stop talking about. But once in a while, I assume readers want to know what the political world is buzzing about and today’s topic du jour is a comment Mickey Kantor made 16 years ago. Or, more accurately, didn’t make 16 years ago.

The video has since been removed from YouTube, but there was a clip that was drawing all kinds of interest this morning of Kantor, Bill Clinton’s Trade Representative and a long-time Clinton ally, talking to James Carville and George Stephanopoulos in the 1992 documentary, “The War Room.”

As the three were reviewing election results, the video showed Kantor commenting on the numbers out of Indiana. The remarks were less than clear, so the person who posted the clip to YouTube captioned the video, and attributed some ugly rhetoric to Kantor.

A former aide to President Bill Clinton, and current informal adviser to Sen. Hillary Clinton, expressed outrage and shock on Friday after a videotape from 1992 surfaced allegedly showing him describing Indianans as “white n****rs.”

Mickey Kantor, who served as campaign chairman during Clinton’s 1992 run for the White House and says he has offered help and advice to Sen. Clinton, insisted that the tape was a fraud and that he was exploring legal steps against the individual who posted it online.

“I’ve never used that word in my entire life, ever, under any circumstance, ever,” an angry Kantor told The Huffington Post, citing his and his parent’s work fighting for civil rights. “I have listened to [the video] and so have you. You can’t tell what it is I’m saying in that second sentence, you can’t decipher that.”

Indeed, a review of the original copy of the 1993 film The War Room, from which the excerpt was taken (around the 4:40 mark) is virtually inaudible. The sound suggests, if anything, that instead of saying “How would you like to be a worthless white n****r?” Kantor says, “How would you like to be in the White House right now?”

I’ve seen that movie a hundred times, and after hearing about this earlier today, I thought, “How could I possibly have missed this?” But I didn’t, because Kantor didn’t say it.

The same clip purported to show Kantor calling the people in Indiana “sh-t.” D.A. Pennebaker, director of the documentary, told Ben Smith that the since-removed clip is wrong.

“He does not say that. He does not say that,” said Pennebaker, after viewing the clip.

He said the initial expletive referred to the anticipated reaction in the Bush White House to the fact that Ross Perot’s polling numbers were holding strong.

“What he says is he’s surprised Perot’s numbers are holding,” said Pennebaker in a brief phone interview. “He says they must be shi**ing in the White House.”

The second expletive, he said, appeared to have been entirely fabricated, with new audio dubbed onto the original movie.

Needless to say, Kantor is not amused by this effort to smear him.

Kantor, on Friday, insisted that the latter part of his statement never took place and that it made no sense for him to use such language.

“Indiana was not even on our radar screen,” he said, “And I was talking about the polling and not the people… If you look at The War Room, this is not the way Carville or George interpreted my statement. This is frankly libelous.”

And if you’re curious to see the actual footage from the movie, here’s an excerpt. Kantor’s appearance comes at around the 4:37 mark.

I hate to see this happen to anyone, but Kantor’s a good guy who really didn’t deserve this. We can hope this nonsense is quickly forgotten.

Thanks Steve!

  • From ABC news:

    When “The War Room” came out other folks interpreted Kantor to be impugning Indiana residents.

    In The Washington Post’s review of the film in 1993, critic Desson Howe referred to “a Mickey Kantor comment about the people of Indiana (when it looks as though Clinton’s ahead in Dan Quayle’s state).”

    And a 1995 story in the Sydney Morning Herald said that “As for the good folk of Indiana, they are still recovering from the 1993 documentary War Room, which revealed the grim truth behind the Clinton election campaign. It showed Mr Kantor bursting in on election night to tell other campaign staffers that incredibly, Mr Clinton was doing well even in Republican Indiana. ‘And those people are s—!’ he declared breathlessly.”

  • He clearly says “Those people are $hyt!” when referring to the Indiana voters.

    Even the WP film critic hear Kantor say this when he did the review for the film:

    “One can only keep up an act for so long — especially in the throes of a campaign. Carville’s tearful farewell speech to his staff as they close up just before the election, Stephanopoulos’s frank talk with a potential blackmailer and a Mickey Kantor comment about the people of Indiana (when it looks as though Clinton’s ahead in Dan Quayle’s state) attest to this. ”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/movies/videos/thewarroompghowe_a0b00d.htm

  • After losses in OH, TX and PA, his sinking national poll numbers, the tightening races in NC and IN and the crackpot Jeremiah Wright, it’s clear that Obama and his supporters are desperate – and dirty.

    This is disgraceful and someone needs to issue an apology to Kantor QUICKLY.

  • Responding to comment no. 4, csh is typical a typical “Hillary supporter” that blames everything bad that happens to Hillary on “Obama and his supporters” (remember when Hillary repeatedly falsely blamed Obama for the controversy arising our of her MLK/LBJ remark?).

    I’m an Obama supporter, and one jackass, who is in no way indicative of the whole, posted this video.

    If Kantor said something insulting about the people of Indiana, then it’s his fault. If the video was doctored, then the idiot who posted the video should be sued for libel. “Obama and his supporters” had nothing to do with it.

    Now, go back and read the post on Blumenthal….asshole.

  • He didn’t say Indianan’s are shit? I have now watched this clip ad nauseum and, sorry, he did. Not only did he says it, he looks into the camera and says “Oh, excuse me.”

    Oh, wait, he said “Those people are shit.” V.E.R.B.A.T.I.M.

    C’mon. How are your own words a smear? Unless you’re McCain.

    Steve, you didn’t hear him call Indianan’s shit? Dude, watch it again.

  • Well, you can certainly see how well we all get along.

    Filthy traitors, everyone (of us).

    Or at least from someone’s perspective.

  • I never heard of this guy. Why exactly should I care about what some guy may or may not have said 15 years ago? I’ll try to work up some outrage, hold on… Nope, I got nuthin’.

  • I watched the original too.
    So far, I am with posts 2 and 3 and 6.
    He certainly seems to be slurring the people of Indiana.
    Perhaps the doctored tape is influencing my interpretation? Maybe.

    And by the way, this side issue that irks me too:

    Just because Gennifer Flowers defamation lawsuit against Staphanopoulos, Carville, and Hillary Clinton got tossed because of the statute of limitations and Flower’s supposed “fame,” doesn’t mean there wasn’t a beef there:

    http://www.ktvu.com/news/5955413/detail.html

    Clinton dead-enders have proven to us this election cycle that they will do anything and say anything to win. I won’t step up and defend Staph, Carville, or Hillary Clinton ever again.

    They’ve earned my mistrust and my wrath.
    And yes… I’ve become very suspicious of their past behavior as well.
    Which means…. Kantor may well be the prick he seems to be in the clip….

  • I went back and watched the movie. He said “these people are sh*t”. It’s not clear, in the movie, which people he’s talking about. It could be the people of Indiana; it could be, as Pennebaker says, the people in the White House having a nervous breakdown.

    As I wrote on Obsidian Wings, I think the second interpretation makes more sense. Ask yourself this: why would anyone in the Clinton campaign respond to the news that they are *ahead* in Indiana by insulting the voters there?

  • Also, it’s not clear, from the DVD, whether he says: those people are sh*t — excuse me, or: those people are sh*tting — excuse me. Fwiw.

  • Orange: If you say Kantor did not use the epithet attributed to him because he does not say it in any of the undoctored footage, you could die.

  • Wow, I didn’t know that they use captioning.

    Here is a serious problem with our amazing abilities as humans to fill in the blanks when the information content is low.

    Once you add a caption to the video, those watching it will hear the words that are suggested. The mere suggestion of the words totally screws you up.

    For instance, I had read about the first comment, saw the video, and couldn’t figure out what the deal was exactly.

    Then I read about the the second comment, maybe it was what might be happening in the White House.

    When I saw the non-captioned video, the original, which supposedly you couldn’t tell what this second comment was, I thought I heard the White House version, or at least parts of it.

    Somehow I think that Republicans in general use this tactic: find an ambiguous situation and impose their own interpretation on it. Then show it over and over. It isn’t just that we see what we want, in the absence of enough information we allow our minds to impose a possible meaning which fits with other information.

  • The question now is whether this has legs like the Obama Madrassa story. In politics you don’t just deal with reality, you deal with perception.

  • csh@4, I’m reasonably sure Obama did not lose Texas. By increments, I now consider it a fair assessment that I am an Obama supporter, although not in the athletic sense. I am not desperate and certainly not dirty (I shower on the first of each month whether or not I deem it necessary). But I accept your challenge and apologize for both Mr. Obama and everyone (or anything) in the universe who supports him (in any manner) for stating or believing or who will believe that Mr. Kantor called the Indiana electorate shit. I’m quite certain Mr. Kantor was referring, instead, to Mr. Clinton’s wife.

  • Huh. I heard him say, “Those people are shitting in the White House.” Then he seems to say, “How’d you like to be in the White House right now…” That last, dropping to an inaudible whisper.

    Why would he insult Indianans? The paper they are looking at shows that Clinton was ahead in Indiana.

  • This has what to do with what ?
    He says shit and looks guilty about saying it. And this happened 16 years ago ?
    Sleep deprivation, next.

    Quit with the “I would not have blogged about it but…..”
    It’s your blog, if you want to run meaningless posts about the some could be controversy that happened over a decade ago, cool. Just don’t pretend you have to write about for our benefit.

  • I think Cmac’s interpretation is closest to what was said. I also think this is as irrelevant as Jeremiah Wright. The only person who needs to apologize is the person who posted this on YouTube. Any outrage is manufactured.

  • This is just soooo irrelevant. To introduce something some campaign supporter said or didn’t say 15yrs ago in a moment of enthusiasm as it it had some relevance to today is ridiculous. Only those with pitchforks in hand would find some meaning in this. Yet here are commenters and posters at Democratic Underground kicking this and wanting to send emails to the press and feigning outrage to the point of absurdity. Small minded people think they’ve found a fly’s hair in their soup.
    The same with acting like Wright’;s rant has anything to do with Obama…only those with pitchforks in hand are spewing outrage. No neck in the noose…we must find one. These have nothing to do with issues and policies.

  • I agree, Joey. It’s nonsense to discuss this stuff. Nevertheless, I watched the video and couldn’t see where those headlines came from way back when. Nobody said anything bad about Indiana. And I’ll bet they were shitting – oh, excuse me – in the White House right about then. Any engaged Democrat, seeing those numbers, might have wished to be a fly on the wall in Daddy Bush’s office at that moment.

  • Echo 1 to Echo 2:

    I agree, Joey. It’s nonsense to discuss this stuff.

    You can play that violin until your chin has a callous, but you know what? Tough Jeramiah Wright shit. What’s good for the gander is good for the goose. I just contacted my local newspaper and expressed my OUTRAGE! How dare that Mick slam my Hoosiers. How dare he!

    PS: Everything is manufactured today asshole. Everything. Put that in your FOB echo chamber and pretend not to inhale it.

  • I’m with MsJoanne on this one. I hear “those people are shit”. If everything is so innocent as claimed, why’s he whispering?

  • Jesus Christ, get a grip. He’s referring to the reaction of people in the Bush campaign seeing bad exit polling numbers for Indiana. The second sentence asks how you’d feel working in the White House (if it means anything).

    Even if he had said the things people are imagining him saying, so what? It’s years ago and an offhand remark by a young staffer. Is this all it takes to turn this place into something as stupid as Free Republic?

  • This is hilarious seeing the OFB get all huffy and self righteous. How dare anyone slandrr them! Only Hillary and her supporters can be reviled. By tomorrow they will all swear that Bill and Hillary put the whole video together on their Macs.

  • I think we are all missing the point here. Steve Benen has seen The War Room 100 times. 100 times!!!! I mean, I love The Godfather, and I’ve seen it maybe 20 times. Love The Big Lebowski, maybe 12 times. Miller’s Crossing: 10 times. The Maltese Falcon: 10 times. So what’s so compelling about The War Room, a film I never had the urge to see again after the first time?

  • Okay, I don’t see any movie 100 times either, but he’s probably seen The War Room repeatedly because, like a lot of us, he once greatly admired the Clintons and how they won the 1992 election. And like a lot of us, he’s been deeply mystified by their actions in this primary season.

    Note that I didn’t say he’s been deeply disappointed–I’ll save that adjective for myself and not project onto Steve–but it’s clear from his posts that he shares everyone’s bewilderment as to why they would do many of the things they’re doing. Even the majority of Clinton supporters can’t excuse much of what they’ve done; only the 25-30 percent of dead-enders (of which we have exactly one here) make rationalizations for all of it. And, as we know from Bush and Nixon, there will always be 25-30 percent of the people willing to make excuses for anything a candidate/official does.

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