Iraq and Afghanistan’s exorbitant ‘hidden costs’

Any discussion of the cost of the wars in the Middle East have to start with the price paid by U.S. troops. Thousands of died, and tens of thousands have returned home with serious injuries.

But when considering “blood and treasure,” there’s also that latter part of the equation. Generally, the wars’ price tag is determined by adding up all of the expenditures so far. Occasionally, we’ll see estimates that include interest on the national debt, because the Bush administration has decided to put the wars on the national charge card.

But congressional Dems went one step further in offering a more comprehensive look at the financial costs of the wars.

The economic costs to the United States of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan so far total approximately $1.5 trillion, according to a new study by congressional Democrats that estimates the conflicts’ “hidden costs”– including higher oil prices, the expense of treating wounded veterans and interest payments on the money borrowed to pay for the wars.

That amount is nearly double the $804 billion the White House has spent or requested to wage these wars through 2008, according to the Democratic staff of Congress’s Joint Economic Committee. Its report, titled “The Hidden Costs of the Iraq War,” estimates that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have thus far cost the average U.S. family of four more than $20,000.

“The full economic costs of the war to the American taxpayers and the overall U.S. economy go well beyond even the immense federal budget costs already reported,” said the 21-page draft report, obtained yesterday by The Washington Post.

The report argues that war funding is diverting billions of dollars away from “productive investment” by American businesses in the United States. It also says that the conflicts are pulling reservists and National Guardsmen away from their jobs, resulting in economic disruptions for U.S. employers that the report estimates at $1 billion to $2 billion.

Whether our “investment” is paying off is a little less clear.

The WaPo noted that some funding experts agreed that there are hidden costs the nation generally doesn’t consider, but added that some of these costs are hard to quantify.

For example, Robert Hormats, vice chairman of Goldman Sachs (International) and a member of the National Security Council staff under Presidents Nixon, Ford and Carter, said, “The wars will cost a lot more than the appropriated sums, and it’s certainly true our children will be paying for this for a long, long time. I’m very critical of the way they have financed the war, but I always hesitate to try to quantify any of these things, to make these numerical judgments.”

Fair enough, but the Dems’ broader point still appears sound: the price tag is much higher than advertised.

Jason H. Campbell, a researcher at the Brookings Institution who maintains the think tank’s “Iraq Index,” said it is clear that the costs of the Iraq war are higher than what Congress has appropriated but said they are often hard to quantify. He said he is unsure whether the costs of both wars total $1.5 trillion.

“It’s much higher than other estimations I have seen,” Campbell said. “A lot of it is debatable, but there are costs that will in the near future be attributable to Iraq that haven’t been accounted for yet.”

Something for lawmakers to consider as they keep giving Bush blank checks.

It really bothers me that my children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren and their children will be saddled with the cost of this illegal war. If I had my druthers, when the Bush administration is prosecuted for and found guilty of war crimes (we can hope, can’t we?), their personal wealth will be confiscated to pay for this war before taxpayer dollars are applied to the rest. It seems only fitting, since it was the evil child of their neocon dreams, not that of America.

Then there’s this:

The report argues that war funding is diverting billions of dollars away from “productive investment” by American businesses in the United States.

Can someone explain this statement? How does government war funding divert dollars away from American business investments?

  • I don’t believe that cost of replacing all the equipment that’s been ground to dust and blown asunder in the Iraqi desert is yet fully known either, nor the cost of interest on the money we will have to borrow to pay for that. Another intangible would be the damage to American business interests through loss of international prestige. Then there’s the upward pressure all our recent shenanigans in the middle east have placed on the price of oil — although longer-term, higher petroleum prices could turn out to be a positive thing, I guess.

  • Can someone explain this statement? How does government war funding divert dollars away from American business investments?

    Anney, this is (a) opportunity-cost – the money spent on the war would otherwise have been spent on other, more productive purposes (i.e. pretty much anything, as it’s hard to think of anything less productive than warfare);
    and (b) redirective, as firms choose to invest money in the infrastructure of armament production, given the demand for more of this created by the war.

  • I do not like seeing the costs of these two wars combined. They are two very different wars. The invasion of Afghanistan was well-justified by its direct connection to 9/11. The invasion of Iraq was not justified, or rather, its primary justification (WMD) was false. Plus, the overwhelming majority expenditures have been on the war in Iraq, not in Afghanistan. It is equally irksome when Bush conflates his invasion of Iraq with the larger “war on terror”.

  • #5 – NATO is bombing & killing civilians at an “exhorbitant” rate. I don’t see how that cost is “justified”, regardless of what we think of the justification of the 2002 toppling of the Taliban.

  • OINTA

    (Further question mode)

    the money spent on the war would otherwise have been spent on other, more productive purposes

    By whom?

    I thought of that (that businesses could invest in other things), but I thought warfare was EXTREMELY profitable for businesses who invest in it. Other American businesses don’t seem to have suffered either, at least from the usual costs associated with past wars.

    I do understand that taxpayer money could have been spent on far more productive purposes, but I don’t see the negative effects of THIS war on other business investments. I don’t know of any companies that have sacrificed their products OR profits so that war supplies can be manufactured, as has been the case in earlier wars. Consumers are not consuming less to “support the war effort”. IOW, the burden of paying for this war has been placed squarely on the taxpayer, not businesses,as far as I can understand. I am not being purposely dense, but there must be more to it than what I can see.

    I AM aware of the falling stock markets worldwide and don’t have a very clear idea about the huge interconnectedness of economics and finance. Maybe that has something to do with the investments of companies during war-time, the shifting value of the dollar. (And maybe I’ve bit off more than I can presently understand!)

    I need a course in the economics of war!

  • I guess Nancy Pelosi thinks it’s better to let our kids pay for it than it would be to get her nice table all dirty.

    I’ll say it on behalf of all the kids, Nancy: YOU SUCK.

  • One more thing they’ll never be able to calculate: The price of all the additional military expenditures to fight the terrorists we’re training in Iraq, and the others who will be inspired by Bush’s crusade.

  • anney – One question is, who profits?
    Which one serves America more, a safe bridge connecting two cities, or a fighter jet tossing multi-million dollar ordinance at someone who doesn’t threaten us?

  • Although I am sympathetic to the Democratic argument, I think we should all be skeptical of any report that is issued by any political party. Why don’t the Congressional Democrats instead compel the non-partisan Government Accountability office to conduct the study?

    Plus I agree with JoeBob (#5) that combining expenditures blurs the fact that Afghanistan and Iraq are two different military operations:
    Afghanistan = Bin Laden = 9/11
    Irag = Saddam = NOT 9/11

  • The cost of rebuilding a shattered Army, Army Reserve, and National Guard will be enormous, both in logistics and morale.

  • I’ll agree that you shouldn’t combine the accounting for both wars…until we invade Iran that is! Then it will all be one nice big war zone.

    But in all seriousness, I really hate how these costs are only ever considered through the prism of American interests. How much did these wars cost the world? Millions of innocent Iraqi civilians?

  • BuzzMon

    Yes, government funding of a bridge profits Americans more than a fighter jet, but the Democratic statement was this, and it relates to American business investments, not how the government spends taxpayer money:

    The report argues that war funding is diverting billions of dollars away from “productive investment” by American businesses in the United States.

    In the WaPo article I did find this statement:

    Robert D. Hormats, vice chairman of Goldman Sachs (International) and a member of the National Security Council staff under Presidents Nixon, Ford and Carter, said …. he does not think there has been a closing-off of U.S. investment because of the war.

    So, to get to the bottom of this would require more digging, and I sure don’t have the know-how to do it!

    I did find this quote about Hormats, in which he appears to to be greatly concerned about the damage the Bush administration is doing:

    [May 2007] Hormats argues that the rampant borrowing to pay for the war in Iraq and the short-sighted tax cuts in the face of a long-term war on terrorism run counter to American tradition and place our country’s security in peril. To meet the threats facing us, Hormats contends, we must significantly realign our economic policies–on taxes, Social Security, Medicare, and oil dependency–to safeguard our liberty and our future. Paying for America’s Wars

    What the Bush administration has done to “pay” for this war is not to “disturb” the American taxpayer or businesses at all but has borrowed astronomical sums which will have to be paid back by the taxpayers who are our children, grandchildren, and their children once he is dead and gone.

  • Take whatever number you like, 600 billion or 8.5 trillion, these dollars are mainly going to those few companies that are pals of GW and friends, not the military or it’s expenditures. If you want to figure the true cost, figure in the government programs and the infrastructure that are not being funded because of GW’s war that will eventually will need funds or will collapse. What is worse is that GW and friends are moving that capitol out of the US so our economy cannot benefit from it.

  • anney –
    We have 2 concepts here:
    Spending taxpayer money; and
    Service received for payments.

    I believe that you overthinking this. I used extremely simplistic terms to represent pursuing a needless war verses providing a highly visible and useful investment (i.e. infrastructure). I could have said a hospital, school, research grant, business loan, or almost any other government spending.

    There’s the concept of the “multiplier effect.” Money spent on a product pays for labor, supplies, shipping, taxes, profit, etc. That money is re-invested, creating more wealth and multipling the initial expeniture.
    Military spending has a far smaller multiplier effect that most other spending, therefore is less productive spending.

  • BuzzMon

    We ain’t on the same page. My question was about the Democrats’ claim in their list of hidden costs that corporate investments have been diverted by the costs of Bush’s war, not domestic government projects that have been tossed aside so Bush can spend money on his warmongering.

  • Could somebody please tell me who is profiting from this conflict? Which companies are making money and who owns them? What about the waste and corruption? Who is going to be held accountable for that?

  • If anyone looks at what the National debt was when Clinton left office and what it is now, there should be no surprise that the cost of the war is as high as it is. If Nero fiddled while Rome burned, George W. must be whistling Dixie.

  • Let the money roll so oil and arms corporations and corrupt politicians can benefit from the plight of the Iraqi and Afghan people and the poor American soldiders (from the lower, poor and uneducated classes) who fighting these wars.

  • Perhaps we should accept the democrat premise and not fight Islamic terrorism. As far as attacking Iraq, can you imagine what would have happened in World War II if Japan had attacked Pearl Harbor and the U.S. responded by going to war with and later invading Germany? A good liberal like FDR would never have allowed this. As far a our soldiers being the poor and uneducated, my neighbor’s son who has just returned from Iraq has a college degree and doesn’t need disparing by elites.

  • “Perhaps we should accept the democrat premise and not fight Islamic terrorism.”

    Well, the US was fighting Islamic terrorism right around 2002, then the White House decided that invading Iraq was more important, and put most of their resources in that little expedition.

    “As far as attacking Iraq, can you imagine what would have happened in World War II if Japan had attacked Pearl Harbor and the U.S. responded by going to war with and later invading Germany? A good liberal like FDR would never have allowed this. ”

    Didn’t Germany declare war on the United States?

    Didn’t the United States fight both Japan and Germany, at the same time?

    I’m glad FDR wasn’t a Bush Republican, because then he would, after Pearl Harbor, cut taxes for the wealthy, tell Americans to go shop, keep the US military at the pre-December 7th level (can’t have a draft, you know), continue to waste defense money on expensive programs designed to fight WWI, and then invade Spain with minimal forces.

    “As far a our soldiers being the poor and uneducated, my neighbor’s son who has just returned from Iraq has a college degree and doesn’t need disparing by elites.”

    Is he an officer, by chance? You kind of need a degree to become commissioned.
    And I spent three years in the infantry, and out of all the soldiers I came in contact with, met only one enlisted who had a bachelor’s.
    But I did meet many from the “lower, poor and uneducated classes”. That’s not to say that they weren’t good soldiers, they just had the military as their only option to get a better life.

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