Is Al Gore the ‘way out of a mess’?

The political world spent a fair amount of time last year mulling over whether Al Gore would run for president, who his running mate would be, whether he could win, etc. Once it became clear that Gore wouldn’t run, speculation shifted to who he’d endorse, when, and what kind of impact it might have.

Now, however, we should probably get ready for a new wave of Gore-related scuttlebutt, centered around a new idea: Al Gore, compromise candidate.

The first I heard of this was earlier this week, when Rep. Tim Mahoney (D-Fla.), considering the prospects of a brokered convention, told a Florida paper, “If it (the nomination process) goes into the convention, don’t be surprised if someone different is at the top of the ticket.”

A compromise candidate could be someone such as former vice president Al Gore, Mahoney said last week during a meeting with this news organization’s editorial board.

If either Clinton or Obama suggested to a deadlocked convention a ticket of Gore-Clinton or Gore-Obama, the Democratic Party would accept it, Mahoney said.

The comments didn’t generate much in the way of attention, in part because Mahoney isn’t an especially high profile lawmaker, and also because he made the remark to a small paper with a limited audience.

But when Time’s Joe Klein starts talking about the same idea, one gets the sense a small boomlet might be in the works.

As Klein sees it, Clinton is highly unlikely to overtake Obama before the convention, and even if she did, what she’d have to do to earn it would make it very difficult for her to win the general election. Obama, on the other hand, has been weakened, Klein argues, by Clinton’s criticisms and the coverage of the Jeremiah Wright story, the latter of which might make it tough for Obama to win support from working-class whites.

Given this, Klein has an idea.

He will probably do well enough to secure the nomination. But what if he tanks? What if he can’t buy a white working-class vote? What if he loses [Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Indiana] badly and continues to lose after that? I’d guess that the Democratic Party would still give him the nomination rather than turn to Clinton. But no one would be very happy — and a year that should have been an easy Democratic victory, given the state of the economy and the unpopularity of the incumbent, might slip away.

Which brings us back to Al Gore. Pish-tosh, you say, and you’re probably right. But let’s play a little. Let’s say the elders of the Democratic Party decide, when the primaries end, that neither Obama nor Clinton is viable. Let’s also assume — and this may be a real stretch — that such elders are strong and smart enough to act. All they’d have to do would be to convince a significant fraction of their superdelegate friends, maybe fewer than 100, to announce that they were taking a pass on the first ballot at the Denver convention, which would deny the 2,025 votes necessary to Obama or Clinton. What if they then approached Gore and asked him to be the nominee, for the good of the party — and suggested that he take Obama as his running mate? Of course, Obama would have to be a party to the deal and bring his 1,900 or so delegates along.

I played out that scenario with about a dozen prominent Democrats recently, from various sectors of the party, including both Obama and Clinton partisans. Most said it was extremely unlikely … and a pretty interesting idea. A prominent fund raiser told me, “Gore-Obama is the ticket a lot of people wanted in the first place.” A congressional Democrat told me, “This could be our way out of a mess.”

I have nothing but enthusiastic admiration for Gore, but this scenario strikes me as wildly far-fetched — and maybe a little too deep into wishful-thinking territory.

I doubt there will be a brokered convention; I doubt Gore would demonstrate any interest in being a compromise candidate; I doubt delegates would reject a candidate who enters the convention with more delegates, states, and popular votes; I even doubt delegates would consider someone (even Gore) who hasn’t run in a single primary or caucus.

This almost certainly just won’t happen. But that doesn’t mean we won’t be hearing more about it in the coming days.

We are on the verge of a historic occassion…the Democratic Party is set to nominate for president, either a woman or an African-American. In fact, they are so closely matched that we feel we should compromise and nominate…a white guy.

  • How did we go from “We have two great candidates, and it’s hard to choose one over the other.” to “Al Gore is the one we need.” I like Gore too, but did he suddenly become a good campaigner? He hasn’t gotten any votes this whole endless campaign season. We need a white guy to unify the party? We’re better than that.

  • Gore didn’t put himself out there this year, and the last time he did, he lost to an inferior candidate (or barely won).

    Gore is a great man, but this is a bad idea.

    Obama already won. I’m looking forward to voting for him in November.

  • This is just another way of giving the democratic voters the bird. Let Obama run in the primaries and do all the dirty work of raising money and getting drilled with political arrows. Then, just as he wins the delegate vote, take away his chance to run for president and give him the booby prize of vice president. Voters have turned out in record numbers to support Obama or Clinton. One of them should be the candidate. The super delegates have a job to do and it is to serve their party’s best interests and support the leading candidate.

  • I thought Gore made it abundantly clear he doesn’t want this job. Let’s focus on the Democrats that do want it.

  • gore leaping to the top of the ticket after such a battle has the possibility of turning off both sides’ supporters. HOWEVER, i could see gore as the tie-breaker (“uber-delegate”) in that he picks his presidential running mate (he being in the VP slot once again). i could live with that.

    again, highly unlikely, but we’re playing what-if games here anyway. frankly i think it’s a fight to the death, leaving obama or clinton with just about as much strength as the old man (the dem goodwill from the bush admin debacle is all but gone now anyway).

  • This doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. If Hillary would accept a VP slot, she could almost certainly do so today and without the uncertainty of a brokered convention. A Gore/Clinton ticket would make sense because it would offer the same “back to the 90’s” philosophy that Clinton herself epitomizes.

    But a Gore/Obama ticket makes little sense. Yes, young people have bought into Gore as a champion of climate change policy, but seeing the eloquent and energizing Obama playing second fiddle to the guy who some comedian once said was “an inspiration to the thousands of Americans suffering from dutch elm disease” would take a lot of wind out of the youth vote, which is already notoriously fickle in the general election.

    This smacks of political insiders desperately floating ideas to keep some kind of continuity in — that is to say, control over — the Democratic party. Sure, it might happen, but neither scenario makes any sense at all from a genuine “good of the party” or “good of the country” perspective.

  • Picking Gore after a primary season that drew such record numbers of voters would truly be absurd. Talk about cult of personality! Really, the bigger question is why does anyone quote Joe Klein?

  • They may be good drugs but it’s time to wake up. Obama has won. He’s a strong leader, the Ds strongest candidate and the most likely to win in Nov. Don’t turn off the electorate, one more time, by playing these silly “what if” games.

  • OT a bit — does anyone else find it odd that *all* the Clinton Cultists disappeared at the exact same time?

    No Mary, no Greg, no Comeback Bill — to say nothing of the even more obvious trolls who were infesting the Clinton-Obama posts here the last few weeks. They all disappeared at once.

    What happened? Did the campaign stop paying them for their work?

  • This almost certainly just won’t happen.

    If you had asked me six months ago if Hillary Clinton would deliberately torpedo the Democratic party rather than lose the primary race, I would have said exactly that. “This almost certainly just won’t happen.”

    But there she is.

    So we’re in uncharted waters. IMO it’s up to Barack. if he decided that stepping (slightly) aside and letting Gore shoulder the huge mess Bush has laid at their feet, his followers would say “OK, if Barak says he’s cool with it, then I am too”.

    Obviously it would change the whole race, and shake it in a ton of ways that would all be good. The “experience” card becomes Barak and Al’s. The racism issue is largely diffused. Mr BoreWonkman (Gore) gets a highly charismatic sidekick, which he sorely lacked in 2000. Lots of Clintonites would jump ship, and Hillary Clinton’s Tonya Harding act would go up in smoke.

    Poof.

    And of course Obama would be ready to step into the oval office in 2012 or 2016, depending on what he and Al work out.

    I hope Obama takes this concept to heart.

  • I doubt it will happen, too, but I deeply, profoundly, wildly pray that, somehow, it WILL. I think the reason that there is so much talk about it, despite how remote the possibility is, is that I’m not the only one praying for this. Deep in the collective Democratic soul, we all know it is what the party, the country, the world, and the planet need.

  • TR, I noticed that too. They only show up if clinton is in the post tag or it’s a positive obama post. Go figure. I don’t think clinton has the money to pay those guys/gals.

  • And you know what? I think Hillary should replace Harry Reid. That pathetic pansy needs to retire.

    I know Chris Dodd would make a better replacement, but throwing Clinton a bone right now would be smart.

  • I want the future. I want Obama. If it takes recovery from a bruised and bloodied convention to achieve that, so be it. Al Gore (for whom I worked every time he ran for national office) is pursuing higher goals now. If the impossible happens and we lose to McCain,we can take comfort from the fact that everyone knows the Clinton scumbags were responsible, so we’ll be rid of them at last. Damn the has-beens and full speed ahead.

  • This is very unlikely but ironically the only way it might happen would be if Hillary Clinton becomes more successful. Despite the ill will between the two, Hillary Clinton might inadvertently set up the situation which makes Gore the nominee.

    Clinton’s campaign is largely based upon destroying Obama to make him appear unelectable so that Democrats will be afraid of nominating him.

    What the Clinton supporters fail to realize is that Hillary Clinton is already the unacceptable candidate for many of us. Knocking Obama out won’t get us to support Clinton for the nomination or vote for her in the general election.

    Most likely Obama or Clinton will be the nominee (with Obama having the far greater chance). However should Obama be made to appear unelectable, it would make far more sense to nominate someone like Gore in place of Obama than to consider Clinton. It’s a long shot that the Democratic Party would be smart enough to do this, but it is not impossible.

    As for doubtful’s comment (“I thought Gore made it abundantly clear he doesn’t want this job.”) I saw it more as Gore making it clear he does not want to run for the nomination than that he does not want the job. I suspect he would be interested if the party came to him.

  • What “mess”? A hard-fought primary between two strong candidates?

    People are too enthusiastic about these two! Give them someone else, so maybe they’ll be less passionate!

  • How about Gore as Obama’s running mate, assuming HRC either turns down the offer or becomes so radioactive that she will do more harm than good to the ticket?

  • I know Chris Dodd would make a better replacement, but throwing Clinton a bone right now would be smart.

    I agree on both counts. And I could see Dean stepping in and offering Hillary the Senate Majority Leader spot if she stepped aside.

    She’d need something to spin it away, for herself and her followers, and that kind of high-profile job would do it. “I’m going to lead the fight for health care in the Senate, etc. etc.”

  • The best gift Gore could give the party is to endorse Barack. His endorsement would be tremendous and stop this crazy and suicidal Clinton campaign.

  • Imagine that, a leftist $hitbag blog linked from Rueters ‘we fake news’ services.
    Al Gore, a great man? Sheesh….I cant wait until a civl war takes place and we finally get a chance to do to liberals what should have been done years ago.

    Anyone that hates America and seeks to see it fall is a good man to the liberal twits. You people make me sick and I hope while youre bending over to kiss the arse of diversity and white-guilt, you get your heads chopped off and your wife (love partners for most of you homos) gets raped by ‘Tupac’ and ‘Toiletta’.

    Please die. All of you.

  • I’m a big Gore fan, but I honestly can’t think of anything that would sink the Democratic party more than having someone who didn’t even run in the primaries “appointed” as the nominee. Totally ridiculous idea, and frankly I think Mr. Gore would agree.

  • Though far-fetched, it’s important to note that both Clinton and Obama will continue until the convention. As it looks Clinton has a few victories coming up, and Obama has been shaken up (though saved a lot of face w/ his “Save Race Face” speech). It’s not so much that we need a “white guy” to save the party, we need someone who can win. If Obama and Clinton continue tearing in to each other for months to come, McCain will only lead more in the polls. All he has to do now is continue taking his Metamusil, not have a heart attack, and well, remember the difference between Muslim factions, and he’s sitting pretty. Obama and Clinton are unprecedented what they offer, but are also unprecedented in how much vitriolic hate they are spewing at each other. I think that the Democratic elders are smart in thinking of a contingency plan in the event that both candidates are so low in the polls vs. McCain come the convention.
    Gore is the most ideal candidate if that is the case. His core principles have become highly talked about subjects from all 3 campaigns: fighting climate change, alleviating job loss, and having good foreign policy. Though he’s not the best campaigner, he would only have to be a face for 4-5 months before winning the election; plus Gore vs. McCain would be a very clean, respectable race.

  • It’s such an anti-Democratic frame. The suggestion is that the Party is in a shambles and no one’s happy with the candidates. It’s insulting.

  • MuckFexico,

    You obviously hate America. This country was founded on dissent. Truly patriotic Americans agree to disagree with people that don’t hold their POV. Your comments sound oddly reminiscent of those views within totalitarian regimes. Why do you hate America?

  • Remember Joe Klein is stupid. This is just meant to provide “controversy” for time and for his own personal embellishment. And, it is stupid.

  • OT a bit — does anyone else find it odd that *all* the Clinton Cultists disappeared at the exact same time? -TR

    Maybe they were inspired by the Clintonista boycott at DKos.

  • From my post at swimming freestyle on Gore as the Democratic nominee:

    That said, one of the Democrats biggest problems is their hell bent tendency to look backward for solutions. The Clintons counted on exactly this tendency when Hillary Clinton began her campaign: she was absolutely convinced she was a lock for the nomination because she knew dutiful Democrats would fondly recall the 1990’s and just assume all we needed to do was elect another Clinton and voila – it’s the 90’s again (well…maybe not everything about the 90’s – just the good stuff).

    Al Gore, after serving eight years as Vice President during the Clinton Administration, ran for the Presidency in 2000 against a lightweight, failed business owner from Texas and won/lost the election by the smallest of margins. I love nostalgia as much as the next person, but what evidence is there that Gore could do better if given another shot?

    On the other hand, an Obama/Gore ticket has always interested me. Gore brings executive experience, foreign policy chops and is the world’s leader on climate change issues. Obama/Gore…..now that is interesting.
    (http://swimmingfreestyle.typepad.com)

  • OT a bit — does anyone else find it odd that *all* the Clinton Cultists disappeared at the exact same time?

    With any luck, they were all “raptured” to Dante’s 8th Concentric Circle.

    A trailer park on the Florida coast.

    During hurricane season.

    Right after Greenland, Antarctica, and all the glaciers on the entire planet have melted.

  • I love how Muck avoids swearing while he advocates killing millions of people.

    Can anyone figure these people out?

  • That is the stupidest idea I have heard this campaign cycle and I have heard some real whoopers.

    So we are going to ignore every primary voter, bring Gore in and… oh we are in the exact same boat, who gets #2 ?? That is if you can convince HRC or Obama to first give up their presidential aspirations, and then take a back seat to Gore.

    This plan falls real close to the ‘They will greet us a liberators’ plan.

  • Remind me to invite Muck to a party sometime. He sounds like just the right combination of hate, spite, and turgid repressed homosexuality that all truly wonderful social occasions call for.

    Back on topic, how could this be seriously proposed? I think Gore’s great. But he didn’t run. We have no possible way of knowing how many primary voters would have voted for him. We do know how many primary voters have voted, and will continue to vote, for Barack Obama. MORE. How does he not win, again, exactly?

  • If Obama walks into the convention with more states, delegates, and the popular vote the sole reason he wouldn’t get the nomination would be because of Rev. Wright. At that point you can kiss 2008 goodbye and perhaps many more elections after that.

  • RacerX @18 and TR @24,

    About that bone… I’ve read somewhere — yesterday’s NYT maybe? — that Clinton might not even go back to the Senate, because she’d be too bummed out to work with all those lawmakers who’d abandoned her. So, a bone wouldn’t work; it’s the whole Sunday joint or nothing.

  • If Al Gore had managed to win his home state of Tennessee in 200 we wouldn’t be in this mess now.

    No thanks.

  • Hey Muck,

    You’re confusing real conservative and liberal differences with blind rage and sociopathic hatred. Thankfully, you’re directing your venom at liberals, who have a long history of tolerance, inclusion and understanding [and sympathy toward the disenfranchised and just plain batshit insane]. And, you’ve managed to make the conservative side you pretend to support look even more inbred and stupid.

    Thanks for your contribution. “Mission Accomplished!” as they say.

  • Gore?
    He been doing great things.
    No offense to the man but that is a stupid idea.

  • Here’s a thought: Gore could swing the party to Obama by accepting the VP slot, with it being understood that his “portfolio” in the office would be to implement the Green Economy. I think it would clinch the superdelegates for Obama, be the perfect job for Gore and show him to be an ego-free statesman who would take the #2 slot again instead of the top job in order to do a tremendous service to the country. It would give Gore a true place in the political history books and be a deft political move by Obama.

  • #27 – I totally agree. Gore would never consider it.

    A little beside the point – I love how Barack is now focusing on McCain and not mentioning Hillary at all. Will she would do the same?

  • If Al Gore had managed to win his home state of Tennessee in 200 we wouldn’t be in this mess now. -Erik in Maine

    No. Lieberman would be the de facto candidate.

    So some things could be worse, i guess.

  • Gore’s OK, but I prefer Obama for my president. Maybe Obama coiuld give Gore a prestigious position in his cabinet.

  • Gore’s OK, but I prefer Obama for my president. Maybe Obama coiuld give Gore a prestigious position in his cabinet.

  • Actually, I think Ron Chusid has it about right upthread (that Clinton’s own actions may result in the victory she is aiming for being handed to her rival Gore), and I disagree with those who say this would necessarily be a huge insult to all of the voters because of the highly unusual facts that would be required to make it happen. While I think it highly unlikely to ever happen, and fraught with risk, here is the basic pitch:

    1) Assume Clinton does well in several upcoming states, and so continues on doing what she is doing – bashing on Obama;

    2) Assume that as a result, both Obama’s numbers and Clinton’s numbers drop in polling as McCain pulls well ahead;

    3) They head to Denver and neither one has reached the delegate threshold for nomination.

    Clinton argues that Obama cannot win, and the party regulars conclude she is right. But they are not about to reward her for helping create that reality, nor would they directly stiff Obama’s supporters by seating his opponent.

    The Superdelegates argue that neither is clearly deserving, since neither was able to win the nomination – and polls show them both losing to McCain. Now Al Gore. . . he isn’t just anyone. He has run, and he has won the nomination – long before the Convention, so he must be good. His stature has risen since 2000, as many of this themes proved prescient. Neither Obama nor Clinton could unite the others’ supporters, but hey, everyone loves Al. And he has been vetted, and he has experience, so the late start is not the issue with him it would be with anyone else.

    Voila.

    I think the odds of all of the circumstances lining up to require consideration of this scenario are exceedingly slim. But if those long odds should nonetheless happen, I most certainly could see this being the result.

  • Let’s also assume — and this may be a real stretch — that such elders are strong and smart enough to act.

    Could we at least agree that it was the elders who got the Democrats into this mess in the first place. If they hadn’t created the superdelegates and stripped Florida and Michigan of their delegates we wouldn’t be having any of these silly arguments.

  • For some reason this election cycle, the media has been on the hunt for the election fairy, this savior waiting in the wings to rescue us all. Bloomberg, Gore, some silly Unity ’08 ticket, Fred Thompson, even the calls a long time ago to make it legal for Schwartzenegger to run. It’s almost as if the media is scared that someone from outside the club might get the keys to the White House. Given the way the media has operated this election cycle, a scared media means that something good will happen for America instead of something good happening for the media.

  • petorado, you have too much optimism re the media. they are like the Thenardiers in Les Miz – they’ll still be there grinning picking the pockets of the dead in the streets.

    and the Bloomberg part of the election fairy saga may not be over yet – after his intro for Obama’s economy speech you just know the Obama/Bloomberg rumors will be out in full force!

  • Obama-Gore?

    Look, Gore said no already. Stop it, guys.

    This was on the local news last night in San Francisco.

    Obama better start learning from Clinton, and vice-versa, ’cause right now, it’s just all picking of nits. …Which is what apes do, I know, but it’s supposed to make them feel better, not worse. More love-fests, please.

  • I don’t believe there’s a living Democratic elder that was involved in the creation of superdelegates, じんちさん. So they’re hardly ‘at fault’. But the fact that they won’t get their feet wet, even when we’re nearing the end… Sheesh. At least schedule a vote!

  • maybe gore is not, but i would certainly petty enough to say, ‘fuck you people. you had your chance.’

    your pal,
    blake

  • Obama is just getting warmed up. This clinging to Gore as a floaty toy for a “struggling” party is barfable.

    Read Mr. CB’s post today, “Obama campaign picks up on Krugman’s good advice.”

    He does. And he does it clearly and with style and without crabwalking around. Hillzilla keeps wanting to hang herself around his neck and he keeps lifting her off and setting her aside and sighing and gazing at the sky with a little head shake and then he gets back to business.

    Al himself couldn’t look at Obama and with a straight face say that he could do any of it any better. At what point in the past has Al Gore done anything that makes one cringe when considering Obama and provokes cheers when assessing Gore? Obama is better at this stuff than Al.

    Obama is on track. He’s not losing blood. He’s calm, cool and collected. And he’s married to Michelle, who for me is as big a factor in my respect for his judgement as anything he’s saying on the stump.

    I worry about the man’s safety. I hate having to feel that way but I do. And I don’t know if this junk culture nation will have the ability to shake off it’s stupor long enough to do the right thing and vote for Barack. But there’s certainly no guarantee that Gore would inspire a more intelligent response. He might inspire a whiter response but he’d piss off just as many who are craving an opportunity to crash through that B.S.

    Dems who feel like we are floundering just need to put their feet down and realize that we are only in a few feet of water. We can stand up here. It’s not that scary. When Obama can truly train his energy and intelligence on McBush, he will make McBush look silly, lost and old. And I’ll bet Barack has a V.P. choice in mind that will be more interesting than we can imagine.

    Oh and Phuck2theMaxico muckfexico.

  • The Democratic party will lose a lot more then 24 mill from the big donors if they mess with this race! I know there will be a much larger percent then 28% of Hillary Clinton supporters who even now are not giving a penny to the DNC until those Florida & Michigan delegates are seated. They end this campaign early and they will have a mass exit by over half of there party! We just might become a 3 party nation over this! It is that serious! Hillary Clinton was to be this election year party nominee and everyone knew it. If this is not run in a way in which every single Democrat who wants a voice & vote and a delegate at the convention to choose this years nominee you will see most Florida and Michigan and Hillary supporters not be there with either money or votes! How many Obama supporters are only Obama supporters and not other Democratic interest supporters? How many Hillary Clinton supporters also support all other Democratic Party interest? Her supporter show up at the voting booth and vote straight Democratic tickets year in and year out. Can you say that about Obama’s supporters? The Democratic Party also need Mayors, State leaders, US Senate, US House of Representatives not just the White House. Hey DNC are you sure you can afford the cost of a Obama nomination?

  • Her supporter show up at the voting booth and vote straight Democratic tickets year in and year out. Can you say that about Obama’s supporters? — Roger, @59

    Well… *This* Obama supporter will vote a straight Dem ticket *below* Hillary Harding Clinton, if it’s her at the top of it. And yes, I do send money to DNC and DCCC and DSCC. Depends on who asks for it. So wipe that fat-cat smug smirk off your face. Roger?

  • On March 27th, 2008 at 11:42 pm, Roger said:

    “Hillary Clinton was to be this election year party nominee and everyone knew it.”

    So the primaries and the caucuses and the jetting around by everybody spending millions of dollars to gain attention and sway opinion has just been an expensive dog and pony show for the greater glory of Hillzilla?

    Well Roger, a funny damn thing happened on the way to the coronation. We’ve had a few elections in a few different places and it seems to be the case that nobody told a significant portion of the record numbers of voters that they were just supposed to zombie shuffle to the polls, fill in the small square next to the words starting with H and C and then zombie shuffle back home to await the proclamation of ascendence.

    It was an act Rog. The zombie thing. They were giggling in the booths and filling in the square next to the B and O words and feeling a sense of freedom and elation and relief. It’s not about coronations buddy. Coronations and royalty suck big time. Predestined inevitability is just asking for a humiliating shove into a muddy puddle. At least it should be in a democratic process. And Hill’s hurt and angry stare from her seated position in the puddle is an indication that the process here still has a little life left in it.

    You may just have to abandon ship and vote for McBush, Roger. Even Hillary said that he was the next best thing to her. Maybe it’s your pre-destiny to vote for a cranky, ill informed, misguided old fool if you can’t stand the thought of voting for the guy who bumped your princess into the mud.

  • Forget about the Florida and Michigan fiasco. Such a crazy, stupid idea would disenfranchise the entire United States that voted in primaries to see Obama or Clinton run in November. Look, one of the candidates are going to win the nomination, even if it’s only by one vote. You mean to tell me this is the best we can do in the event of a complete tie? How sad for the party if that’s the case.

    Gore VS. McCain? Who cares who the running mate is. We’re talking Gore VS McCain. Does anyone with half a brain think that would go over with swing voters?

    It’s never going to happen. Not only is it too preposterous, far too many campaign dollars have been donated and raised just to see give a non-viable free ride to Gore for a presidential election.

    Gore is great, don’t get me wrong. He needs to stay doing what he’s doing, exerting the influence he has for good causes. But in 2008, he would not be electable.

    My $0.02.

  • Hillary and Obama camps do all the work then Gore gets the nomination where is the democracy in that. Gore should have ran like the other candidates.

  • If neither candidate can get to 2025 on the first two ballots, the pledged delegates are free to vote for whoever they want. At that point, if that actually were to happen (and that is a very, very big if), all bets are off, and yes, this scenario might be possible, even desirable if Clinton has really torpedoed Obama.

    But this is still a long ways away. It’s just out that Pennsylvania Sen. Casey is endorsing Obama. That will give him a huge boost in the keystone state. Don’t be too surprised if Obama wins there.

    So… buckle your seatbelt, there’s more turbulence ahead.

  • I mean, ye gods, are people really giving this scenario credibility? Has no one stopped to think that neither Obama or Clinton, in the unlikely event she wins the nomination, are going to stand idly by and let the DNC hand the ticket over to someone who didn’t even run? There’d be injunctions, court rulings, appeals a-flyin’. It’d make Bush v. Gore look like a dispute over lemonade stand zoning. This whole proposal just smacks of Beltway insiders wanting to return to politics as usual, and afraid that one of the prospetictive Dem nominees might bring real change.

  • You know, Obama stepping aside for Gore was my moonbat California brother’s fantasy (about six months ago).

    As it is, a clique of Super Delegates holding out in the first round to prevent Obama or Clinton winning would be just EVIL.

    The Super Delegates are going to have to argue either:

    Obama has more pledged delegates
    or
    Clinton has more popular votes (the remaining states falling her way).

    I don’t see ANY other solutions.

  • Obama has not won already. He does not yet have enough delegates to meet the threshold for nomination. I cannot see Gore giving up something he is enjoying and effective at, to take second-fiddle to a neophyte like Obama, even to save the party from likely defeat in November. Gore is the true bipartisan, unity campaigner because he is focusing on building allies around his cause in both parties.

    I’ve had a “Re-elect Al Gore” sticker on my car for a long time now. I believe we will see the current financial crisis as a hiccup compared to the disruption global warming will bring in coming years. Uniting behind a climate-change program should be what the convention chooses, not because Gore is more electable or more intelligence or more experienced than Obama or Clinton, but because he is arguing for a different set of priorities than either of them. Clinton is politically closer to Gore than Obama but I just don’t see him running again. This is what happens when you abuse a good person, and it is part of the reason I’ve reduced my commenting here as well (to address TR’s question).

    Mark Twain said something about not trying to teach a pig to sing (it is a waste of time and it annoys the pig). As long as people keep behaving like swine, Gore will have little interest in the race, in my opinion. The time is not right as long as Obama folks are more interested in the historicity of a black man’s election than in saving the planet.

  • I am digusted with the Democrats: 1) At Hillary for failing to be viable early on, 2) at Dem primary voters for going for dreams and hopes and smooth-talk over experience and general election viability. And at the Obamamaniacs for continuously saying Clinton should step aside since late January, as if their golden boy deserves a red carpet to the nomination. God forbid he actually be challenged. And Dems in general for having this whole mess, superdelegates, primary near-stalemate, wasting fund that should go to the general election, and most likely putting forward Obama and a half-disillusioned Dem base, making it less difficult for McCain to win. Finally I think Republicans deserve to win the Presidency this time, since they should be there to clean up the unmitigated disaster Bush has made of the economy, the Bush War on Iraq, foreign relations, etc. If Obama is the nominee I will very likely vote for McCain. The only sad thing will be that he will probably have the honor of appointing the replacement to John Paul Stevens (who is very old and unlikely to last another 4.5 years on SCOTUS). Dems just can’t manage to get it together, can they? Republicans are so highly-skilled at snowing the voters, winning elections and making a god awful mess of everything, they truly deserve to be in charge. After all the voters twice gave (or nearly gave) the Presidency to the dunce Bush.

  • Why is Hillary Clinton the One Who Destroyed the Democratic Party? Why isn’t Obama the one who’s changed this race into what seemed like a sure thing into a slug fest because of his “uncontrollable ambition?”

  • Although I’d love to see Al Gore in the White House, it’s just a pleasant flight of fancy.

    That being said, the nice thing is to note that Democrats have many resources and very popular and respected leaders to draw from, not something you could say 10 years ago. So, even in the hypothesis of a catastrophic, worst-case, absolute nightmare dead-locked convention with both Clinton and Obama damaged beyond repair, it’s good to know that we still have a very solid exit route.

    That’s all there is about that story. It’s also a nice way to shut up doom sayers and concern trolls. Bad hair convention? Not a problem. Gore, Edwards, Dean, Sebelius, etc.

  • Elian Gonzales – the race seemed like a sure thing becasue that was the media line before there were any actual votes cast. There is a little twistedness in that becasue of how they like to build people up to tear them down. But still Clinton was only the presumed nominee because of a story line- including fund raising and polling (though you can easily attribute a lot of that to name recognition) not the primary.

    I was personally very torn- uncharacteristically – up to my primary. I liked Obama a lot but worried that there was all sizzle and no steak. I was anxious about Clinton becasue of her hawkishness and her unforgivable war vote.

    I’m glad I chose Obama – despite the media take- he has shown more substance and thoughtfulness. Clinton has gotten deeper in the mud – it looks like she wants to win at all costs. Everyday it gets harder and harder to consider voting for her in the GE but if that is the case I will becasue McCain sucks so hard.

    But make no mistake about it – if the numbers were reversed there would be enormous pressure on Obama to back out of the race now for the good of the party. Clinton has every right to stay in but that does not mean it is the right thing to do!

    As for this crack smoking nonsense from Rep Mahoney and Joe Klein about Gore – yikes- its just crazy! I like Gore a lot but he is now an also ran – he probably actually won in 2000 but to some extent allowed it to be stolen out from under him. Sorry we do not need anymore of that. He will have a fine legacy as the VP and environemtal crusader- good on him. (If he would like to take a leadship position at the convention and try to broker a deal that is another matter.)

    Nor do we need anymore dirty tricksters- I think those like Clinton to fight fire with fire are well-intentioned but horribly misguided. Obama has shown there is another way. I hope we get to see more that in action.

  • Didn’t Teddy Kennedy do something like this, and almost pull it off at the convention.

  • Interesting article. I’ve always had in the back of my mind that a deadlocked convention could result in a compromise candidate. And my delirium and heart have always hoped Edwards would re-emerge. No doubt too many old movies and driven by the realistic fear that a minority candidate would be vulnerable to the prejudices of the majority of the electorate this time around and we wouldn’t win a very winnable election that desperately needs to be won. Gore/Obama or Edwards/Obama would win and Obama would then be next. The posts were pretty interesting and revealing too. The will of the people through their already cast ballots seems to be the predominant counterpoint and not one Al would probably want to face if he had any interest at all. Not a point easily argued against in the context of the “we’re a democracy” mass illusion. But I would hope that “the will of the people” who have voted in the primaries – while certainly having a strong black or female proprietary element is secondary to defeating the Republicans. Take a revote in all the primaries with the choices of A. Obama, B. Clinton, or C. Guaranteed defeat of McCain in the general election, and one would hope C with A or B as second on the ticket would be the rational choice. But as we have come to know – what does rationality have to do with it? The Obama – Clinton dogfight and the deep entrenchment of the camps has indeed distracted most from the primary goal. I find it hard to assign much blame to Obama. I haven’t read or heard anyone consistently second-guessing his motivations or talking of a knee-cap strategy. Don’t believe if the situation was reversed and Clinton was the frontrunner that he would be pursuing a similar strategy.

  • Stupid another way to show how big of idiots we are…FOCUS on real issues and stop playign aroudn with “what if”…Obama? why not Clinton? another way to show sexism.

    And what about “these” fights i keep hearing….The media is just makign distractions and everyone like a fool fall for them….

  • Gee, Josie – another way to show sexism? Is everyone who doesn’t support Obama a racist? Why is every non-mention or criticism of Clinton sexist? Isn’t that just another distraction rather than issue? Maybe it has more to do with wanting to break the Bush – Clinton – Bush – Clinton cycle that hands the rightwing (and subsequently leftwing) media and congressional water carriers divisive agenda and ultimately results in legislative stalemate. Hillary Clinton is a brilliant woman whose life is an example of committed and dedicated service to progressive ideals. It is not her fault that the perceptions exist nor that the Limbaugh, Hannity, et al versus Clinton smearing continues. But it does exist and no matter how misinformed or misdirected the subsequent perceptions – those perceptions are most people’s reality. Another Clinton Presidency and the gridlock division continues. Some of us have had enough and want a path back to progress. Whether the candidate who can best spearhead that agenda is female, black, brown, or another old white man is secondary to their ability to successfully lead in that direction without the partisan gridlock. Many of us have hoped for a minority President for years. But just electing a minority candidate isn’t the whole answer is it? It must be a means to further ends – not the goal itself.

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