Is the Bush gang willing to deal on FISA?

Much to everyone’s surprise, House Democrats simply wouldn’t budge a month ago when the Bush administration demanded that Congress pass a permanent “Protect America Act” — with retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies. The law expired, the president threw a fit, and lawmakers broke for a two-week spring recess.

Throughout the debate, especially after the PAA expired, the White House frequently and publicly emphasized a two-word message to Democratic leaders on the Hill: No Compromise. The House would pass exactly what the administration wanted, and no substitutes would be accepted. All the while, the Bush gang would fudge the facts, question Dems’ patriotism, and do their level best to scare the bejeezus out of the public.

And House Dems still wouldn’t back down. In an even more startling surprise, the White House is now willing to at least talk about bipartisan cooperation. (I’m going to work under the assumption that this is not an April Fool’s joke.)

The White House, seeking to break a months-long standoff, has signaled to Democratic lawmakers it is open to negotiation over a proposal to expand government spy powers, according to officials familiar with the conversations. […]

Over the two-week spring recess, administration officials contacted Democratic leaders to suggest they were open to compromise on updating the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. “We definitely want to get it done,” said White House spokesman Tony Fratto. “We’ve had some initial conversations with Congress about the need to get FISA reform done quickly.” He added that Mr. Bush still prefers the Senate measure, which the White House negotiated with Senate Democrats. […]

The White House’s more conciliatory posture reflects a recognition that the Bush administration’s leverage on national-security matters has slipped since this past summer, a top Republican congressional aide said. “There’s a recognition that if they’re actually going to get a product they can support, there’s going to have to be some new level of engagement,” the aide said.

You don’t say.

And what about telecom immunity? Paul Kiel explains:

Some Dems are floating “a pared-back version of immunity,” such as limiting immunity to certain aspects of the program or capping possible damages. Talks about other aspects of the legislation, for instance concerning judicial oversight of surveillance, might come more easily.

But the reason for the White House’s new tack is pretty clear: they used every weapon at their disposal — presidential statements and press conferences, alarming letters and public appearances by the director of national intelligence and attorney general, time pressures created by the lapsing of legislation or a Congressional recess — and none of it worked. The House, after all that, still passed a bill a world away from what the administration was pushing for. It was, as the Journal points out, a strikingly different outcome from August, when the White House’s squeeze play worked to perfection.

And what prompted the White House to deign to reach out to Pelosi & Co.? One factor was clearly the notion that the administration came to believe House Dems simply weren’t going to budge. (Note to Dems: I wish you guys had realized this sooner.)

Another factor, Kiel notes, is that lawmakers had been negotiating with Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell, but Dems have come to realize that he’s simply not reliable.

Whatever the motivation, the White House’s sudden willingness to negotiate is a pleasant surprise and an encouraging step in the right direction. Don’t blow it, Dems.

Don’t blow it, Dems.

I am not holding my breath. While I am heartened by their newly found calcified structure, I still don’t have alot of faith in it not caving upon itself.

And I sincerely hope that I am proved wrong – continuously. I have no problem saying I was wrong. I hope that I can do so as I shall do so gleefully.

  • Nowhere did the WH say telecom immunity was on the table and I can’t think of any part of FISA they actually care about other than that. The court cases ARE proceeding while the Dems blithely waste time on measures that protect that goddam piece of paper and its inconvenient 4th amendment.

    I’ll give 2:1 odds the Dems sell us out still.
    Our rights are for sale. We mustn’t mistake principle for restraint from accepting too low a bribe.

  • And House Dems still wouldn’t back down. In an even more startling surprise, the White House is now willing to at least talk about bipartisan cooperation.

    Democrats in both the House and the Senate have a long, long record of blustering for a while and then giving Bush exactly what he wants. So I am suspicious.

    What I have been expecting is that a reconciled bill will come out of the conference committee — with full telecomm immunity — and it will be quietly approved by both chambers late at night.

    Last month I called the office of my congressman and told said that if he votes for a bill with telecomm immunity, “it will be a deal breaker.” I promised that I would never vote for him again and that I would actively help his opponent. His staffer was surprised by my vehemence, but promised to pass on the message.

    It looks like I’ll need to make another phone call when the issue comes up again. And I’ll be urging my like-minded friends to do the same.

  • This must be really difficult for the Michaels, Mukasey and McConnell after the crying and weeping for their telecom lovers. SteveILL might even be crying somewhere by now…

  • Be afraid, be very afraid. I smell a deal that include immunity and a fig leaf for the Dems to cover their private parts.

  • Anything the Repugnants don’t like can always be retro-fitted with a signing statement from George saying he’s free to interpret the law another way.

    Someone please explain to me why this country is not in full scale revolution again?

  • This administration cannot be trusted to make any kind of an honorable “deal.” FISA doesn’t need further “improvements.” It needs to be adhered to as the LAW…which it currently is. PERIOD!!!

  • (I’m going to work under the assumption that this is not an April Fool’s joke.)

    With the Nancy & Harry (closet rethug) brigade in charge, do not be surprised if it is a January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December joke.

    Compromise with the Bushites is “give Bush everything he wants & apologize for being an asshole for not giving it sooner”. Funny how often Nancy & Harry seem to compromise with Bush!

    Just about willing to be $10 against a box of donuts that they will compromise & Bush will have his ‘telecomm immunity’ that is required to cover the illegalities of the Bush Admin.

  • It’s also important to note that no compromise has actually been offered. It’s not unheard of for this administration to claim to be interested in compromise, then turn around and demand their original thing anyway.

  • i’ve got a deal for the bushies: no amnesty for lawbreakers .. no telecom retroactive immunity ..

    imo ..the current house bill as passed works just fine . the telecoms can go to the judge in camera..ex parte ..and make their case .. if the telecoms were acting within the law … they already have immunity under FISA anyway ..and the suit gets dismissed .. no secrets revealed in open court .. neat and tidy ..

    the fundamental issue which required blanket immunity was the gub’mint had forbidden the telecoms to use the “lawful order” defense in court to defend their actions ..they were forbidden by the admnistration to present the warrants .. or orders .. or whatever had caused them to co-operate was in court .. the current bill as passed fixes and addresses that former hamstringing imposed on them by the bush administration ..

    let’s be very clear here .. the only reason the administration has for pining for retroactive immunity is to get the current lawsuits dismissed wholesale because they know if they don’t get them dismissed what’s going to be revealed during the proceedings is that the president of these united states and his minions have committed one or multiple felonies in direct defiance of the law ..

    no amnesty for lawbreakers .. and no lawbreakers as presidents … it’s a very simple all american proposition .. and an equitable “deal”

    hold your ground congress .. don’t back down … or i’ll never forgive ya ..

  • They won this battle already. They should just sit on this thing and continue to function uder the prior FISA framework (which is just fine, thank you very much) until the new administration gets in office and we have even more Dems in Congress to get this done right. The only reason he’s offering to “compromise” is he’s terrified that what transpired with the WH and the telecoms will come to light and he/Chency and/or his buddies will have to face the music. I agree with Deborah, Bu$h will get his retroactive immunity and gut it of any meaningful oversight with a “signing statement” (line item veto- BAD IDEA). I fear there are democrats in Congress who butts also need covering, hence the compliance.

    I wouldn’t be suprised if the Telecoms want to get this out in the open. It makes them look bad, and I’m certain the administration threatened them into doing something thy knew was illegal (the FISA laws have been in place for 30+ years and the legal departments of the telecom industry know what is needed to meet the requirements for legal surveillance)

  • I’d be fine capping the damages for the illegal wiretapping at $1. All I want is a court ruling that it was illegal, which will serve as a deterrent to anyone else who goes along with demands for information without a warrant. Sure, I’d love to the AT&T punished for past illegal behavior, but I am even more interested in preventing similar crap in the future.

    So, yeah, cap the damages and let us move forward with the civil and criminal complaints.

  • Jkat said:
    i’ve got a deal for the bushies: no amnesty for lawbreakers .. no telecom retroactive immunity ..
    (snip)
    hold your ground congress .. don’t back down … or i’ll never forgive ya ..

    Have you said this your congressman, Jkat?

    A phone call is better than an email. A postal letter is better than a phone call. The more effort you take, the more serious they realize you are. You can’t match the telecomms bribes campaign contributions, but no congresscritter wants their constituents pissed off at them.

  • yep ..i have ..and also signed all the petitions pertinent at FDL and sen’t ’em along as it’s played along .. with jane hamsher .. et al ..

    now i just want to see bush eat yellow snow … 🙂

  • We now have a long history of Bushco’s idea of compromise and bipartisanship: It’s called unconditional surrender. Instead of selling “no compromise” they’re going to sell bogus offers of a deal that amount to, duh, another surrender. I would like to think the Dim-Dems have gotten the message, and won’t play in that sandbox anymore.

  • i think there’s a strong possibility that there has been erosion in the senate from the democratic votes which passed the senate bill .. much heat is being brought to bear on the defecting democrats who voted for amnesty in the senate bill.. i’ll bet they got an earful over the break .. and conference votes might be somewhat different now than when reid ramrodded the senate version through the first time ..

  • I do wonder if the House Dems have finally learnt that “no pasaran!” is the best tactic they can use against the encroaching shrubbery. If they had, and if they continue to get away with it, the Senate will really look like a bunch of pussy-willows

  • On April 1st, 2008 at 3:18 pm, Deborah said:
    Anything the Repugnants don’t like can always be retro-fitted with a signing statement from George saying he’s free to interpret the law another way.

    Someone please explain to me why this country is not in full scale revolution again?

    Nation wide Apathy? What’d I win?!

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