Is the phone-call flap foolish or fair?

It’s only the first week in January, and we’ve only seen one actual contest, but I suspect it’s stories like this one that make a lot of political observers wish the primary season was already over.

The Clinton campaign, throwing the kitchen sink, released a statement from a supporter, Sandy Keans, who got the Obama robo-call, despite being on the state’s do-not-call list.

They also say the call’s form doesn’t comply with federal law, an argument into which I don’t feel qualified to venture.

Robo-calls are a real issue in New Hampshire, but this one isn’t blowing away the national press, as represented by Ana Marie Cox, who also has the full Clinton release.

By all indications, the Clinton campaign is taking all of this pretty seriously, hosting a conference call last night with reporters to “discuss the legal issues associated with the Obama campaign’s illegal activity.”

So, is there anything to this? The closer one looks at the flap, the thinner it appears.

It started a few weeks ago, when the Clinton campaign went after Obama for voting “present” on some abortion-related legislation in the Illinois State Senate. The criticism was misleading — Obama’s votes were strategic, and encouraged by the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council and Chicago NOW.

Over the weekend, the Clinton campaign kept up the criticism anyway, suggesting that Obama was not reliably pro-choice, reality notwithstanding. Hoping to nip this in the bud, the Obama campaign has responded with robo-calls from Wendy Frosh, chair of the board of Planned Parenthood, Northern New England. She tells voters:

“As people have begun to rally around Barack Obama’s call for change, the false attacks have begun. As a leader and activist on reproductive rights for more than 20 years, I know the facts. Barack has a 100 percent pro-choice record, and has always been a champion for women’s rights. Hillary Clinton’s last-minute smears won’t protect the right to choose. But as president, Barack Obama will. Please join me in supporting Barack Obama this Tuesday. Thank you. Paid for by Obama for America.”

As it turns out, the Clinton campaign has levied two charges: 1) the call reached some New Hampshire residents who are on the state’s do-not-call list, which it says makes the calls illegal; and 2) the law requires the calls to identify the campaign sponsoring the call within 30 seconds, and this one waits until 38 seconds.

On the first point, the alleged crime is false. New Hampshire does have a do-not-call law, but it makes an exemption for calls relating to the presidential primaries. In other words, it’s not “illegal activity.”

On the second point, the Clinton campaign appears to be right — the phrase “paid for by Obama for America” comes at the 38-second mark, not the 30-second mark. That’s clearly a no-no, but I’m not entirely sure eight seconds is worth this much fuss. And given that it’s just eight seconds, “illegal activity” seems a little strong.

For what it’s worth, Obama state Chairman Ned Helms responded, “Every hour since Hillary Clinton lost in Iowa, her attacks have become more and more desperate. This call was in direct response to one of many 11th-hour false attacks Clinton has made at the end of the New Hampshire campaign. Our disclaimer absolutely complies with the federal law and our vendor has assured us that he scrubbed the list for people on the Do Not Call registry. However, if this call went to someone who should not have received it, we will make sure the vendor takes every step to make sure this doesn’t happen again.”

Like I said, it’s a little thin.

The Clinton machine is getting uglier by the minute . Now the true colors show..
Does America want another political machine that wants the status quo as we have or does America want to restore our integrity and move forward? It shows that any of the Democratic candidates other than Clinton demonstrate integriity. Go for it New Hampshire!!!

  • Between this and KindergartenEssayGate, I’m shocked that Obama thinks he has a chance.

  • Matched up against voting in favour of an illegal war, it looks a bit weak, doesn’t it? If Hillary doesn’t look out, she’s going to talk herself out of a shot at vice-president. This won’t do much to move the likability meter.

  • And given that it’s just eight seconds, “illegal activity” seems a little strong.

    Does the law have a penalty? Imagine the fun of $XX per second per call. Gentlemen, start your lawyers!

  • Mark, no one will choose Hillary as a running mate. Her negatives are too high.

    Hillary’s negativity against Obama is going to backfire. If this is all that she has to knock him with, his background must be very clean indeed.

    Except of course for that business about Obama being a secret Muslim. I know all about it because of the email we got from one of my wife’s redneck high-school classmates in Jacksonville.

  • Please do NOT knock Hillary…

    I think she is just fine as a Senator from New York. Personally, I believe that we have had an overload of Bushes and Clintons and do NOT need any of them as President OR Vice President!

  • Sigh!

    “Hillary Clinton’s last-minute smears won’t protect the right to choose.” – Wendy Frosh

    Are you saying Wendy (Barack) that Hillary won’t protect a woman’s right to choose as President?

    It’s a cute implication, and I’d think a lot more of the Clinton campaign if they had focused on that, and not the ‘legality’ of the calls.

    There must be a lot of dumb people in politics.

  • In getting desparate, the Clinton campaign is making a fool of themselves once again. The NH law they mention does not apply to presedential primary campaigns.

    “664:1 Applicability of Chapter. The provisions of this chapter shall apply to all state primary, general and special elections, but shall not apply to presidential preference primaries.
    http://www.sos.nh.gov/rsa664.htm

    I am sure they know this (this is the first sentence of the law) but went ahead with the attack any way. Obama campaign legally responded to an earlier attack by Clinton campaign distorting Obama’s record on abortion.

    Clinton campaign is throwing whatever they can at Obama in the hope that something would stick. I hope NH sees right through this.

  • Given that NARAL and Planned Parenthood also supported Joe “another hospital is just a taxi ride away” Lieberman in his race against Ned Lamont, I no longer take as much comfort in these kinds of “supportive” efforts.

    While the rules should be the rules, it seems like this is not exactly a gasp-invoking scandal.

    If Hillary really wanted to go after Obama, I think she was onto something when she questioned why someone who was opposed to the war has voted to fund it, and why someone who was opposed to the original PAtriot Act voted for the “new and improved” one (memo to Barack – it wasn’t an improvement).

    It’s all well and good to have convictions, but one would think that someone who was opposed to the war before he got to the Senate might have fought a little harder to end it once he was there.

    But who needs action when we can listen to inspiring speeches?

  • Both the provisions (not calling those on Do Not Call lists and introducing the source within first 30 seconds) are not applicable to presedential primary campaigns according to NH state law.

    Obama campaign still asks their vendors to make sure they scrub the lists for those on Do Not Call lists out of respect for their privacy. The Clinton campaign is trying to make issues out of non-issues.

  • Up the Iowa caucus the punditocracy was full of Hillary’s juggernaut, her unstopability, her huge bankroll, her inevitability. ‘Nuf said?

  • This kind of crap disgusts me. I will most likely pull the lever for whoever has a “D” by their name in November, but I may just sit it out if Clinton is the nominee precisely because of garbage like this.

  • Somehow, I don’t think I’m the only one seeing this—but Hillary’s “11-hour deceptions” can be best described as someone on a 1,000-passenger cruise. The ship hits an iceberg, there’s only room for 500 in the lifeboats, and she’s just now realizing that she’s still standing on the deck as the last lifeboat is being lowered. Now, correct me if I’m wrong—but have any of you ever seen a lifeboat going back up after the order to abandon ship has been given?

    I’m also hearing that some of the Hillary folks are already writing off SC as a lost cause. If that little tidbit gains legs—If Hillary starts being seen as a candidate who’ll dump an entire state just because they won’t see things her way—then she’s little more than well-burnt toast BEFORE she even gets to February….

  • Martin,

    A couple of interesting things about the law. First, N.H. Rev. Stat. section 359-E:5 states that automated telephone calls shall disclose the name of the organization making the call “immediately after telephone contact.” The statute doesn’t say anything about a 30-second rule explcitly, though there may be some state regulation or case law clarifying the meaning of “immediately” that I wasn’t able to find in my 15 minutes of research on this.

    Second, N.H. Rev. Stat. s 359-E:6 states that violation of the telemarketing code “shall constitute an unfair or deceptive act or practice” punishable by injunction and/or civil penalties of up to $10,000 per violation. (N.H. Rev. Stat. s 358-A:4). So if Obama’s campaign is in violation, yes, there could be civil penalties. But it’s a fairly minor civil offense that is hardly the sort of “illegal activity” that Clinton is trying to make of it.

  • Speaking of the action of inspiring speeches…

    I started reading Obama’s “Dreams From My Father” last night and came across this passage:

    “…when a white man abruptly announced to the bartender, loudly enough for everyone to hear, that he shouldn’t have to drink good liquor “next to a nigger.” The room fell quiet and people turned to my father, expecting a fight. Instead, my father stood up, walked over to the man, smiled, and proceeded to lecture him about the folly of bigotry, the promise of the American dream, and the universal rights of man. “This fella felt so bad when Barack was finished,” Gramps would say, “that he reached into his pocket and gave Barack a hundred dollars on the spot…”

    I guess growing up with stories like that might make you understand the power of words.

    Bureaucrats like Hillary fail to understand that…
    That’s why she needs to stay right where she is: in the Senate; parsing billions into millions.
    She understand the grammar of the gavel…
    Which is fine.
    But that’s not the stuff that makes great presidents, or even good ones…

  • Anne wrote: “But who needs action when we can listen to inspiring speeches?”

    My California brother, who is vastly more liberal than I (think Ed Stephan), informed me he no longer supports Obama, but is now an Edwards man.

    Why so, queried I.

    Because now that the Surge has halved the number of Iraqi and American casualties, Obama no longer strongly attacks the war. Apparently, if things get just a little better, his rhetoric changes.

    Of course, the fact is that the Surge, no matter how successful, doesn’t change the basic equation that the continued occupation of Iraq is a “BAD IDEA”. We don’t need to kill anymore Nascar Dad’s kids to protect Exxon’s control of Iraq’s oil.

    But I suppose that’s not important to Obama as much as tacking with the new wind and preserving HIS Electibility.

  • Robocalls never make it to the 30 second mark on my phone. I hang up. I don’t care what the message is – I don’t listen. I don’t want them. In 2000 I actually didn’t vote for the local candidate who sent out almost daily robocalls.

    Since both Obama and Clinton get their messages out courtesy of MSM’s obsession with them, neither need robocalls.

  • This “Lieberman was Obama’s mentor” meme seems to be… how should one say… a load of crap.

    I guess it’s something to glom onto if you don’t like Obama anyway, but other than Alexander Cockburn–who’s characteristically full of crap and seems to see the Mondale/Dukakis era as a Golden Age for Democrats–I haven’t found any verification of this.

  • dajafi – every incoming Senator is assigned a mentor to guide him or her through the maze of rules and regs and protocol, and Obama was assigned Lieberman. Now, I have no idea if current Senators get to pick which newbie he or she mentors, but as far as I know, the incoming person doesn’t have a choice.

    We remember, though, that Obama went to CT to support Lieberman, and I would guess that had the mentor-mentee relationship not been particularly satisfactory, Obama might not have chosen to support Lieberman so openly.

    More importnat, it just seems to me that someone who wants to bring change to DC doesn’t fight to bring Joe Lieberman back, does he? I think Ned Lamont was the “change” candidate in that election, unless I missed something. That Obama supported the incumbent who could not get past his own party’s primary, and needed independents and Republicans to get back to the Senate is telling – because Obama is going to need those same kinds of voters, as well.

    Something to think about, anyway.

  • These last minute slurs can be dangerous for both sides. If the slur gets media traction, the victim may not have time to properly respond — and if he or she does, we all know how the initial charge often resonates even after it’s been debunked. On the other hand, if the slur doesn’t hold up, it makes the source look bad just as voters are about to hit the polls.

    Either way, it’s a desperate move and a low-class, scummy one that reveals more about the candidate making the slur than the one it’s leveled against.

  • It’s also rather comical for Madame Chillary to be howling about an Obama robocall in NH, after the last one she put out in Iowa. I mean, come on—“Obama’s healthcare plan will leave 100,000 Iowans without health insurance?”

    Hey—maybe she can pull something like that later today in NH, and give Obama an even bigger win….

  • Thank you, Anne. Hillary also supported Lieberman. Maybe the Hillary haters can add that to their list. I like all three top Democrats, but my May primary vote will go to Edwards, even if I have to write in his name.

  • “Oh, you terrible little girl! How could you do this to me?! I’m melting! I’m melting!!!”

    You can even smell the stench of the panther sweat of terror through the computer.

    Watching the USS Shillary taking on water from that torpedo explosion below the keel, just before the ship’s back breaks and it slides beneath the waves to never been seen again…. Mmmmmmmmm!!!!

    I give her till noon Eastern time on Wednesday before she hauls down the flag and steps into the life raft. All the pinstriped rats will be swimming for their lives – and drowning.

  • What’s really pathetic is that you anti-Obama folks here are even more petty in your small-mindedness than Hillary is. You don’t even rise to the level of deserving a good “cleavering.”

  • (What worries me about Obama is that Lieberman was his mentor.) -lyn5

    Care to provide any support for this extraordinary claim?

  • The primary process is supposed to be about making a choice, and in making that choice, we each have the right to be for or against any or all of those in contention. And we also have to consider that the candidate we are against may well be the nominee, so it is fair to question the things all of them have said, what their records are and who they do and do not take money from.

    Hillary is not my favorite candidate, either, but I don’t hate her. On the one hand, I can see that she has worked hard for many years on issues that matter to me – women’s rights, children and families, education and, yes, health care. In my heart of hearts, I do not believe Hillary Clinton wanted to reform health care to benefit the industry, even if she was taking their money. I think that the reforms that she might fight for could be more incremental because of that connection, but I don’t believe she wants reform to cement the grip the insurance pharmaceutical companies have on us.

    I think Obama’s in that same boat – as someone who has taken a ton of money from the industry. Doesn’t mean we wouldn’t see some improvements, but I wish he would at least stop blowing smoke about his own plan and admit that it would not cover everyone. When you equivocate about something that is pretty much right there for people to see, it doesn’t reassure me on other fronts, and makes me view his lofty rhetoric with a more jaundiced eye.

    Hillary did vote to give Bush the authorization to go to war, and it troubles me not so much that she did what so many others also did, but that she doesn’t seem to regret her vote. I get that she chooses not to look at it in hindsight, but how else does one learn from one’s actions?

    But Hillary is right to ask where Obama’s anti-war conviction went once he got to the Senate; he doesn’t have the right to pat himself on the back for his words if his actions do not back them up. And she’s right to hold his feet to the fire on health care.

    I’ll be voting for Edwards in my February 12 primary, but I also will be voting for whichever one of the Dems is on the ballot in November, too. It’s taking all the maturity I have not to “hate” any of the contenders for my party’s nomination because I think I will need to have some enthusiasm for the general election, and it’s hard to do that when you’ve allowed that kind of emotion to take hold.

  • http://boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/03/31/obama_rallies_state_democrats_throws_support_behind_lieberman/

    HARTFORD, Conn. –U.S. Sen. Barack Obama rallied Connecticut Democrats at their annual dinner Thursday night, throwing his support behind mentor and Senate colleague Joe Lieberman.

    Obama, an Illinois Democrat who is considered a rising star in the party, was the keynote speaker at the annual Jefferson Jackson Bailey Dinner.

    Lieberman, Connecticut’s junior senator, is under fire from some liberal Democrats for his support of the Iraq War. He was key in booking Obama, who routinely receives more than 200 speaking invitations each week.

    Some at Thursday’s dinner said that while they were pleased with Lieberman’s success in bringing Obama to Connecticut, they still consider Lieberman uncomfortably tolerant of the Bush administration.

    Obama wasted little time getting to that point, calling it the “elephant in the room” but praising Lieberman’s intellect, character and qualifications.

    “The fact of the matter is, I know some in the party have differences with Joe. I’m going to go ahead and say it,” Obama told the 1,700-plus party members who gathered in a ballroom at the Connecticut Convention Center for the $175-per-head fundraiser.

    “I am absolutely certain Connecticut is going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the U.S. Senate so he can continue to serve on our behalf,” he said.

    Obama received widespread attention for his keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, delivered while he was still a state senator.

    Lieberman became Obama’s mentor when Obama was sworn into the Senate in 2005. They stayed close at Thursday night’s event, too, entering the room together and working the crowd in tandem.

    Is that enough, or would you like more?

  • Anne wrote: “Hillary did vote to give Bush the authorization to go to war, and it troubles me not so much that she did what so many others also did, but that she doesn’t seem to regret her vote. I get that she chooses not to look at it in hindsight, but how else does one learn from one’s actions?”

    Or perhaps Hillary doesn’t give her opponents YouTube sound bites of admitting she was wrong while still beating herself up privately (or with Bill more likely) for having been so guilible.

  • Hey, Lance, maybe that’s why Bush won’t tell us about any mistakes he’s made or regrets he’s had…ya think?

  • Is that enough, or would you like more? -Anne

    No, and actually your first post was quite enough, but I had the window open for a while and posted without refreshing, so I missed it.

    I read too much into the word mentor in lyn5’s post. I understood it to mean ‘father figure who imparted wisdom as one grew from child to man,’ and not ‘glorified map and tour guide.’

    Thanks so much for accommodating my inability to Google this morning, though. I just came off a terribly stressful weekend that resulted in a partially flooded basement, a new water heater, and several thousand worth of needed plumbing work to be done soon, so I figured the stress free environment of politics would help.

  • Anne said: “Hey, Lance, maybe that’s why Bush won’t tell us about any mistakes he’s made or regrets he’s had…ya think?”

    Nah, in BGII’s case, it’s because he believes in predestination and God makes no mistakes.

  • Didn’t the Concord paper report a few years ago that these calls are, indeed, illegal? Please site a source that says they are not illegal.

    BAC

  • These calls are an epidemic and are invading the privacy of All American Voters.

    Our members are taking a stand and saying enough is enough at the National Political Do Not Contact Registry at StopPoliticalCalls.org.

    Here is a quote from a member this morning:

    “I find it very frustrating… I tend to get calls at the WORST time. I have a one year old daughter, and it NEVER fails that the phone will ring when I put her down for a nap or for bed. Also my vote is PRIVATE… so who do you think you are calling with a survey to find out who I am voting for!!! Stop calling me.”

    Regards,

    Shaun Dakin
    CEO and Founder
    http://www.stoppoliticalcalls.org

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