Islamists are not going to take over the world

After noting the oddities of Roger L. Simon’s latest piece on why the “War against Islamofascism” leads him to support gay marriage, Glenn Greenwald raises an important point that I think often goes overlooked.

Every now and then, it is worth noting that substantial portions of the right-wing political movement in the United States — the Pajamas Media/right-wing-blogosphere/Fox News/Michelle Malkin/Rush-Limbaugh-listener strain — actually believe that Islamists are going to take over the U.S. and impose sharia law on all of us. And then we will have to be Muslims and “our women” will be forced into burkas and there will be no more music or gay bars or churches or blogs. This is an actual fear that they have — not a theoretical fear but one that is pressing, urgent, at the forefront of their worldview.

And their key political beliefs — from Iraq to Iran to executive power and surveillance theories at home — are animated by the belief that all of this is going to happen. The Republican presidential primary is, for much of the “base,” a search for who will be the toughest and strongest in protecting us from the Islamic invasion — a term that is not figurative or symbolic, but literal: the formidable effort by Islamic radicals to invade the U.S. and take over our institutions and dismantle our government and force us to submit to Islamic rule or else be killed.

They actually think this is going to happen (“read Zawahiri’s speeches about the Plan for Caliphate!!”) and believe that we must do everything in our power — without limits — to stop it.

Bingo. Glenn couldn’t be more correct about this. I read quite a few conservative blogs every day for one of my other gigs, and I’ve found that this belief is pervasive in shaping the far-right worldview. The fear of a global Islamic takeover buttresses their opinions about almost everything.

For example, I frequently visit a very conservative site called Dr. Sanity, a psychiatrist, who highlighted this article today.

More than 70,000 members of a hardline Muslim group held a rally in Indonesia that heard calls for a caliphate — or Islamic rule — to govern the world.

The supporters of the Hizbut Tahrir group filled up most of an 80,000-seat sports stadium in the capital Jakarta, waving flags as they heard fiery speeches saying it was “time for the caliphate to reign.”

The meeting was held as part of “civic education” for Indonesian Muslims, said Muhammad Ismail Yusanto, a spokesman for Hizbut Tahrir.

The organisation advocates Islamic rule and is banned in several Middle Eastern countries.

Now, Dr. Sanity notes that, in her medical practice, she has to take seriously patients who talk about committing acts of violence, and as such, we must, in turn, take Hizbut Tahrir supporters seriously, because they’re hell-bent on global domination.

All you have to do is listen to the 70,000 attendees at the rally quoted above. (70,000 !!!) They intend to force us to submit to their religion.

They mean it. They have intent to do what they say. They have demonstrated repeatedly over the last decade and more that they have the means to make it happen; and that there is no aspect of civilized behavior they are not willing to suspend; no level of murderous rage and homicide/suicidal behavior that is closed to them. They fervently believe that their god gives them permission to force us to submit to them or to kill us — in his name.

And all the wishful thinking and talking about “peace” and “brotherhood” and “common values” blah blah blah are pure, unadulterated psychological denial on the part of the intended victim.

When she refers to “they,” I get the sense she’s referring to radicalized Muslims, not Hizbut Tahrir specifically. In this sense, the argument is that all enraged Muslims around the world are exactly the same, all want the same thing (global domination), all use the same tactics (terrorism), all are inspired by the same motivation (their faith), and all read from the same playbook (Koran). If we (the West), don’t stop them, they’ll succeed.

Naturally, the argument then takes the next logical step. If you disagree — about the nature of Islam, or the war in Iraq, or the president’s national security policies, etc. — then you necessarily are helping advance the Islamists’ drive for international hegemony. It’s one of the reasons why the right is comfortable throwing around words such as “treason” and “traitor.”

When reading far-right sites, it’s a perspective to keep in mind. These folks take it seriously.

If the United States, argueably the most potent fighting force in the world, is having problems controlling two small countries like Afghanistan and Iraq and is stretched thin militarily and economically by our occupation of those two areas, how in the hell will much smaller stateless groups like al Quaeda or Hizbut Tahrir manage to take over the world and simultaneously take out the largest military machines on the planet in the U.S., China, Russia and NATO?

The right is enraptured by fears so unweildly and farcical you’d think they’d be embarrassed to speak them in public, much less use a bullhorn.

  • “When reading far-right sites, it’s a perspective to keep in mind. These folks take it seriously.”

    Along with illegal immigrants, African-Americans, liberals, socialists, communists, Democrats, women, the poor, homosexuals, single mothers and Arab-looking Musicians Who Fly Coach. Yeah, just let me just add that to the list of “Winger Things to Wet My Pants In Fear Over.”

    Dr. Sanity best stay away from things like Sturgis – imagine the fear 70,000 Harley riders could instill in our poor, quivering little shrink.

  • Yes, yes, we’ll all have to submit to “Islamofascists” if we do not submit to Dear Leader and His Infallible Judgment, Constitution be damned.

    The only guiding principle in the Reich Wing Authoritarian Alternate Reality (RWAAR) is that 9/11 happened. Questions? Questions are for Islamofascists, surrenderers, defeatists, commies, terrorists, cut-n-runners, hippies, and traitors.

    9/11 happened. Raise flag, repeat.

  • substantial portions of the right-wing political movement in the United States — the Pajamas Media/right-wing-blogosphere/Fox News/Michelle Malkin/Rush-Limbaugh-listener strain — actually believe that Islamists are going to take over the U.S. and impose sharia law on all of us.

    I really doubt it. I really think it’s more like the few and the ignorant, and the right-wing opinion makers don’t really believe it, but it’s part of their fearmongering, so they create the impression there’s lots of worry about it by spreading lots of worry about it all over their sites.

    The unbelievable tends to have a hold over people who should even know better. Notably, P.T. Barnum probably attracted a lot of people to his shows who knew they were seeing shams; and how many Germans really bought into the whole Jewish conspiracy theory during the run-up to WWII? They didn’t have to believe in every literal detail of Nazi propaganda to let the spirit of it sweep them away, and to let it inflame what prejudice they did harbor.

  • What Means? Taking over the world is a lot more difficult than flying airplanes into buildings (and AQ succeeded in spite of themselves.) No real military. No world defining R&D. No technological wonders being generated. No unity (ever heard of Sunni vs Shiite?) No industrial might. No ideas that can generate converts among non Muslims. All they have is anger and faith. As important as these factors are, they ALONE aren’t enough.

    But this is Dr (In)Sanity we’re talking about here. It’s not like she’s got the greatest grasp of reality.

  • I just want to ask one question? How did a nut job like Dr. Sanity get a license to practice medicine? This woman is seriously deranged. Though she does prove that cognative ability is not needed to get an MD.

  • Fear is often a tool used by those who seek power. The Nazis used it with great success. The Islamist takeover fear is only one fear that is being promulgated by unscrupulous power seekers these days. I have a neighbor who only watches Fox News….she thinks we are in grave danger of being inundated by a multitude of terrorists if all our borders are not closed tightly… right now. She is truly afraid.

    Many people are susceptible to fear…some are otherwise intelligent, some aren’t. Those who seek power use that knowledge to get what they want. Once they rouse the fear in a certain number of people (critical mass?) it gathers momentum. FEAR suspends critical thinking, reason, logic etc and is contagious. The meme of Fear!

  • They’re hard wired for fear. For years, it was the Soviet threat that they were certain doomed us. With the collapse of the Berlin wall, the right toyed with the idea that it was the gays who will destroy us. Now they have the boogie men of their dreams in dark skinned, non Christian suicide bombers.

  • I don’t read these sites because they are ridiculous and devoid of rational thought. They anger and upset me and I don’t need to be irritated by idiots. That being said, I read articles like this with shock and depression. We have the strongest military in the world with the most advanced weapons and I’m supposed to be shaken by threats from a group the size of the crowd at an NFL Sunday game, who doesn’t have an army, navy, air force or that many weapons.

    What?…are these people really that stupid? Hell, we have that many Christian fanatics right here in the US screaming Christofacism world domination and calling for the murder of all Islamists asking immediately for a preemptive nuclear attack on Iran. The results of panic action are never pretty.

    When will these people ever learn that terrorists never say look at what we did to them…they say look at what we made them do to themselves. The right are geared to fall for it everytime. Like calling them chicken and then getting them to chase you right into a trap. Sometimes it’s a political trap, eh Bush?

  • They had to go replace the fear that the Commies are under their beds with the fear that the Mohammedans are under their beds. It’s how the professional bedwetters operate. A hundred and fifty years ago they were worried about the Irish mongrelizing the country.

    The existence of failed screenwriter Roger Simon as a “pundit” is all the proof one needs that Mencken was right back in 1924: “nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.” The one thing he learned well in Hollywood was how to be a good con artist.

  • Irony: A person who is totally insane calling herself “Dr. Sanity.”

    I can play her game …

    All you have to do is listen to the millions of listeners of Pat Robertson. (Millions !!!) They intend to force us to submit to their religion.

    There is no aspect of civilized behavior he and his followers are not willing to suspend; no level of murderous rage and homicide/suicidal behavior that is closed to them. They fervently believe that their god gives them permission to force us to submit to them or to kill us — in his name.

    … and I’m not even a doctor!

    Let’s face it, folks: Fear is used by those whose ideologies are shown false by even the tiniest slivers of hope.

  • I think most of the Malkins etc are mostly just playing the rubes for fame and fortune. I suspect that their fear of Radical Islam-icks taking over the world is very long-term, kinda Biblical in nature War of the Religions kind of thing. The real fear probably is that violent groups will turn the US into Israel with its constant barrage of bombings. Israel seems to have settled down a bit though. Is that real or just an artifact of news media attention span?

  • The fear of a global Jewish, Eastern European, Catholic, Asian, African-American, Feminist, Communist, Latino, Gay, Islamic takeover buttresses their opinions about almost everything.

    Fixed.

    You have to keep in mind that these people aren’t really afraid. They pretend to be afraid because they know it allows them to “defend” themselves by over-reaction or even better, a pre-emptive strike.

    When someone asks them about the killings, burnings, vandalism, discrimination etc, etc, they can say “But we were afraid!”

    It sounds so much better than “But we’re a bunch of blood thirsty brutes who live to make others suffer!”

    Or put another way, were the Nazis really afraid of the Jews and other people they slaughtered to “Protect” the Fatherland?

    The only thing that stops the Talevan from joining forces with the Taliban are a few theological and philosophical quibbles. If these groups ever realize they have more in common than not, we are sc-rewed.

  • They needed to replace the communist bugaboo with something. How else do you run the party of fear with nothing else to fear?

  • Mark D, I’ll do you one better:

    In 2004, 62 million followers of one fascist came out on the same day in a show of support for a war criminal who is hellbent on destroying the American way of life!

  • As others have noted, I think the key here for many conservatives, whether secular or religious, is their preponderance to authoritarianism and addiction to literalism.
    Authoritarians are, by and large, true believers in the power of words. Religous conservatives are especially susceptible to being manipulated by a ‘higher authority’ source, whether that’s linkage to God or his chosen spokesman, the GOP.
    Post Goldwater conservatism (Reaganism corrupted by Rovian extremism) relied more on the emotions of fear than the inspiration of ideas. It was “look what they want to make you do”, “they want to make you pay”, not what we can do together, forge consensus on vital issues that threaten our national interest and global future.
    I think Rove’s so-called departure will give traditional conservatives hope. But the natural tendency of American conservatism post Goldwater has been less about rugged individualism and respect for laws and fiscal responsibility, more about establishing an authoritarian structure that makes life easier for those who prefer to function in strict parameters, which is ironically, not so different than the strict parameters of Islamist extremists.

  • Another fine graduate of the Krauthammer School of Politically Motivated Delusions. Oh, the cognitive dissonance, it burns!

  • Liam J: What proof does anyone have that Dr. Sanity is a psychiatrist? Even if she is, that doesn’t make her immune from the obvious paranoia of her rants. I was in the mental health business for years and knew some absolutely deranged psychiatrists and psychologists, people I wouldn’t let my dog near, or my child. The Caliphate that these fanatics yearn for was certainly not anything like the crazed Fundamentalism of the modern Jihadista. For centuries the Muslim Caliphate was very advanced scientifically, tolerant of Jews and Christians and extremely liberal by the standards of today’s Iran or the Taliban lunatics. Much of the scientific knowledge developed by the Greeks was saved and passed on by the Caliphate during the Dark Ages of Western Culture.. We got our alphabet from that source. These modern lunatics don’t stand a chance of “taking over the world,” and only a paranoid could believe it is possible.

  • [right wingers] actually believe that Islamists are going to take over the U.S. and impose sharia law on all of us.

    I believe it too. Haven’t they been sending missionaries, all over the the world — including US — for years and years and years? Trying to convert us? Threatening eternal damnation if we won’t accept their god and religious laws? Killing some of us, to speed us on the road to hell and/or salvation?

    What is it you’re saying? They weren’t Islamists? You could have fooled me; I thought only Islamists were that extremist… Pot, meet kettle.

  • I ran into this firsthand a few years ago in 2004 at a Halloween party. I was dressed as a demon who was campaigning for George Bush. The crowd wasn’t exactly what I had expected, and I was chatting up an attractive female, when the conversation turned to politics and naturally the war. She said to me, “They want everybody to be muslim! Do you want to be muslim?” I thought she was just bat shit insane, but it turns out there’s a lot of guano out there….

  • OK, do I believe that this is gonna happen? No. Does one of my students believe it with all his might? Yes. Problem: he is Palistinian Muslim. He said in class last week that “The Arab’s will take over the world and that it is inevitable” SO, apparently it is not only a delusion of the far right. Do I think it is a delusion no matter who says it? Yes.

  • Maybe those who fear an Islamic caliphate will conquer the world would be better off hiding under their beds and waiting for them there.

  • Islamists have an Iron will, a sense of what it takes to survive, faith in kith and kin and the womb, not capitalist-materialism and ideology.

    The Islamist is a more sensible creature than the western capitalist moron who believes material wealth trumps legacy. Islam will rightfully win.

    The western capitalist moron believes that everyone on earth can be an American required that they know, and give cheap lipservice to a few of our empty cheap mantras, such as the “melting pot” (that serves our capitalist wage-cutters and sweatshop operators so well) and “diversity” and other crap that only serves to keep the zionist war agenda running smoothly.

  • As an American Muslim, I come across the loons like “Dr. Sanity” all the time. It’s gotten to the point where I largely ignore them and their writings. I used to think that education was the key: that helping to provide information about Islam and the Muslim world would help to defuse some of the tensions and increase understanding… And maybe it has, but – if so – only to a very small degree. I’ve come to realize that most people don’t want to learn. They are perfectly comfortable in their delusions, and suggesting ever so mildly that what they believe is wrong makes not the slightest difference in their outlook. Yes, there will be some whom one can have a reasonable conversation with, who have an open-enough mind to consider a new thought, but they are very much in the minority, a very tiny number indeed.

    Americans may think they are well educated, but they are largely provincial when it comes to understanding the rest of the world and are all too often arrogant in their ignorance.

  • This really isn’t funny anymore. My father believes it now. He’s almost never politically motivated. He never used to be a racist. I met a really nice guy, or so I thought. He seems to have a crush on me. He told me today that Muslims or Iranians blah blah blah. My heart broke hearing that tripe coming out of his mouth.

    Has the world gone mad? I feel like I’m an Aryan living in Germany in the 1930’s watching the beginning of the Holocaust. I don’t believe a word of this excrement about Muslim folk. It’s so stupid. I’d almost bet my LIFE that for every person on the Muslim side who is willing to kill for his religion, that there one person on the Judeo-Christian side willing to kill for his religion. We call one a terrorist, and the other a patriot, but they’re both maniacs. Can humanity afford to let this fight actually happen?

  • MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS SITE ARE NUTTS,HAVE ANY OF YOU SEEN OR WATCH THE NEWS,I WISHED ALL OF YOU WOULD LEAVE THE U.S YOU ARE ALL COWARDS AND MAKE ME SICK.THEY WANT US TO STOP CHRISTMAS AND THANKSGIVING.SCHOOLS IN THE NORTH OF COURSE OR PUTTING IN FOOTBATHS FOR THE MUSLIMS OR SHOULD I SAY TERRORISTS.YOU WILL WAKE UP BUT IT WILL BE TO LATE FOR YOU.ALL OF YOU DESERVE THEM IN YOUR HOMES.WAKE UP STUPID

  • but left wing Anit free market, gun control(anti 2 amendment), redistribution of wealth, socialism, ILLEAGAL immigration, over taxation(on the poor), anti compititon, entitlements, police/nanny state, big government, abortion loving, aethist, global warming environMENTAList lies, bird flu crap, 9/11 conspiracies that the government blew up the wtc, karl marxist college professers brain washing our next generation into supporting communism and thinking that the government owes them something…………………ARE TAKING OVER AMERICA!!!!

    no ones worried about islam. we are worried about you commies!!!!

    dont you hippies have a bong or something you need to get back to?

    Peace man, peace.

    oh yeah by the way lets go to war with china so we can free tibet, and combat the brid flu.

    according to the left i was suppose to die of the bird flu in 04′ so its not like you nuts dont have any wacko conspiracies of your own.

    oh wait its all bushes fault. yeah i feel better when i blame my lifes problems on him too.

    grow up commies, or move to russia or something. you dont realize it but your trampling my rights, especially the 2nd amendment.

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