‘It looks like the process was out of control’

Somehow, this scandal manages to keep getting worse, while Alberto Gonzales’ lies manage to become even more troubling.

The Justice Department considered dismissing many more U.S. attorneys than officials have previously acknowledged, with at least 26 prosecutors suggested for termination between February 2005 and December 2006, according to sources familiar with documents withheld from the public.

Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales testified last week that the effort was limited to eight U.S. attorneys fired since last June, and other administration officials have said that only a few others were suggested for removal.

In fact, D. Kyle Sampson, then Gonzales’s chief of staff, considered more than two dozen U.S. attorneys for termination, according to lists compiled by him and his colleagues, the sources said.

They amounted to more than a quarter of the nation’s 93 U.S. attorneys. Thirteen of those known to have been targeted are still in their posts.

The WaPo story points to a haphazard, casual process in which U.S. Attorneys who were most frequently considered for replacement weren’t the ones who got fired. Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said the lists “show how amok this process was.”

“When you start firing people for invalid reasons, just about anyone can end up on a list,” he said. “It looks like the process was out of control, and if it hadn’t been discovered, more would have been fired.”

There are a few interesting angles to this.

First, as Josh Marshall noted, it’d be helpful to get a sense of the Justice Department’s timeline on this.

I’d be curious — if it will ever be possible to do — to get that list of 26 or however many firees there are and get it broken down by time. Who got put on when? Who in 2005 and who in 2006?

If you look over the broad scattering of documents thus far released on the Attorney Purge, there’s at least an argument to be made that it unfolds something like this. Someone gets the bright idea, very early in 2005 to can all of the US Attorneys or a lot of them. But for one reason or another the idea gets rejected or just dies a slow bureaucratic death. However it happens, by the end of 2005 the idea’s basically moribund.

But then in early 2006 some problems come up — a rising wave of Republican corruption scandals and declining Republican political fortunes. And the US Attorney Purge idea gets revived — but now with a much more specific focus, with an eye toward the 2006 and 2008 elections. Certain US Attorneys become more of a problem with expanding corruption investigations.

Second, Gonzales testified under oath, just last week, that this entire endeavor was limited to eight U.S. Attorneys. We know that wasn’t quite right — Graves was the ninth — but now we’re learning that Gonzales was off by a factor of three. Either the Attorney General was lying (again) or he had no idea what was going on around him (again).

And third, not to get too meta, but I’m wondering who leaked all of this to the Washington Post. One gets the sense that the divisions within the DoJ continue to be deep, and top insiders apparently want to help undermine the Attorney General by a) leaking damaging details; and b) keeping the story alive.

Stay tuned.

You want answers from Alberto Gonzales? Torture him.

Make him stand up for eighteen hours straight. Waterboard him. Beat him. Put a hood over his head and make him hold electrodes. Strip him naked and leave him in a room alone with a hungry attack dog.

No one is more richly deserves to endure such extraordinary interrogation techniques than Alberto Gonzales.

  • The random nature of the firings reminds me a bit of the accounts in Solzhenitsyn of the arbitrariness of soviet justice, where people would be picked up nearly at random and given sentences at random for time in the gulag. Authoritarian systems run by ideological apparatchiks have certain similarities, it seems.

  • One line in the article I found interesting:

    “according to sources familiar with documents withheld from the public

    This smells like a WH leak to me. Someone who knows what was withheld from the doc dumps – i.e. the non-DoJ email accounts – is saying to the Post: “Look, check out how the DoJ totally screwed the pooch here. They really messed the process up.”

    In other words, this is another shot at scapegoating Gonzales. And who has the incentive to do that? Rove’s office. And why does it work so well? Because Gonzo is very happy to be the lightning rod. The good news is this article gets the scandal on the front page of the Post. The bad news is that it is another shot at diverting the media from the substance (read: seriousness) of the firings.

  • No, Haik.

    Just impeach him, try him for perjury, and send him to jail.

    But goddamn it, get busy Dems. You are wasting time, and in a few more months everything you do will be followed by “the Dems are just doing this because it’s an election year”.

  • I really doubt this is Rove’s office. Every day this is in the news cycle is a bad day for the administration. They’ve set up Gonzales to take the lighting strikes, but they want it all to be OVER, and they wouldn’t be manufacturing more lighting to hit him. I’d think this is from czareer DOJ stabbing Gonzales in the back.

  • I agree with jimBOB. Why would the admin add to the shit pile? What most self absorbed practitioners of “Office Realpolitik” forget is that what goes around comes around. Fuck with enough people and they will fuck you right back tenfold. Especially with lawyers, who have the habit of documenting stuff.

    This all sounds like something from a kinder gentler Stalinist purge or Cultural Revolution. Damn Fundies can’t do anything right.

  • Every day there is a slow Chinese water torture of breaking political embarrassment for those who wanted to make torture legal. What goes around, comes around.

  • ***Strip him naked and leave him in a room alone with a hungry attack dog.***
    ———————-Haik Bedrosian

    Personally, I would consider that a form of animal abuse; for the dog’s sake, I hope you realize that I will have to turn you in to both the ASPCA and the Humane Society. However, may I suggest smothering him in honey and feeding him to the ants? It’s extremely slow, but given the amount of information contained within Gonzo’s crooked little mind, the time will undoubtedly be well-spent….

  • For the record, Racerx, #4. I do not literally advocate torture. I am a member of Amnesty International and as such believe strongly in the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights. I am against the death penalty in all cases, and I am against the use of torture in all of its forms.

    My proposal to torture Gonzales is made for dramatic effect, enhanced by the extreme irony of this situation.

  • At what point is Gonzo prosecuted for perjury? How many times does he get to lie, get caught, then explain it away with yet another lie? It’s gotten beyond ridiculous.
    As for JMM’s curiosity:I’d be curious — if it will ever be possible to do — to get that list of 26 or however many firees there are and get it broken down by time. Who got put on when? Who in 2005 and who in 2006?

    Indeed. What would be more interesting would be to compare the cases these US attorneys were pursuing before and after their names went on and then off the list.

    If the firings were entirely random, it’s incompetence of monumental proportions. If there’s a pattern that develops from comparing the cases to the firing list, it’s an abuse of power not seen in at least a generation.

  • I don’t think Gonzales was lying at all. When he testified that the firing was limited to just those eight, he was only referring to the firing of just those eight, and wasn’t including the others. Had Congress wanted him to testify about the other folks, they needed to ask him about them. After all, it’s not like he’s a mindreader. He was just trying to stay on-topic.

  • I’m wondering who leaked all of this to the Washington Post. One gets the sense that the divisions within the DoJ continue to be deep… — CB

    Since the attorney purge seems to be something of a a rogue operation, it’s hard to know what career folks had access to, but my guess is the majority of folks down there find the firings (and other DoJ antics over the past several years) so outrageous that shedding some light on the situation would seem the only way to stop it.

  • #13,
    Right you are. Besides, quite obviously, the othrs weren’t a part of “the process”.

  • One gets the sense that the divisions within the DoJ continue to be deep

    I asked a government (but not DoJ) lawyer friend recently about this. She told me a coupla things:
    1. Whenever Gonzales is mentioned around DoJ people, they roll their eyes
    2. She’d seen him give a speech a couple of weeks ago, with pre-scripted questions — and he couldn’t answer those! (I shouldn’t be surprised, I know.) Audience members considered asking other questions like “Mr. Gonzales, I would like to ask — what does DoJ stand for?”

    With Ashcroft on the way out and Gonzales in, wouldn’t you imagine Ashcroft would tell people “Watch yourself around this guy — and document, document, document”? I wonder what else is coming.

  • At what point is Gonzo prosecuted for perjury?

    Which reminds me, why isn’t there already an effort to get him disbarred? What’s necessary to start that process?

  • The new list would add to their defense in that it would show that a lot of attorneys were considered for replacement, therefore, it wasn’t “politically” motivated. The scandal wasn’t going away anyway, what with Monica Goodling about to testify, so why not add fuel to the fire and muddy the waters at the same time? Typical Repug/Rove tactic.

  • Monica is typical of the psychopathic religious nut in every way except severity (she doesn’t kill for God..at least we don’t think so). There is no power on earth that could even make her realize her transgressions much less induce a sense of shame. Not too bright, her undying loyalty to the moron-in-chief is fairly typical of administration acolytes who KNOW they are doing the Lord’s work and since they are toiling in divine labor, need not worry about secular law or any sense of fairness.
    We only have ourselves to blame, Americans elected these dimwits- twice! The shame is ours.

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