It wasn’t a ‘prank’

A small-but-vocal element of the GOP — let’s call them the “unhinged right” — have decided that the way out of the Mark Foley fiasco is to go give up on reality.

Some are publicly identifying the names of pages who had been anonymous (much of the “pro-family” crowd seems to have no qualms about attacking minors who were subjected to advances from a sexual predator). Many more are going after gays with a vengeance. Drudge and Limbaugh are forcefully pushing the line that Foley’s predatory comments were part of a prank gone horribly awry.

In case that third one struck any gullible people as a plausible explanation, it’s not.

Three more former congressional pages have come forward to reveal what they call “sexual approaches” over the Internet from former Congressman Mark Foley.

The pages served in the classes of 1998, 2000 and 2002. They independently approached ABC News after the Foley resignation through the Brian Ross & the Investigative Team’s tip line on ABCNews.com. None wanted their names used because of the sensitive nature of the communications.

“I was seventeen years old and just returned to [my home state] when Foley began to e-mail me, asking if I had ever seen my page roommates naked and how big their penises were,” said the page in the 2002 class.

The former page also said Foley told him that if he happened to be in Washington, D.C., he could stay at Foley’s home if he “would engage in oral sex” with Foley.

“This was no prank,” said one of the three former pages who talked to ABC News yesterday.

It’s not just those three, either.

A fourth talked to the AP.

A former congressional page said Thursday he received sexually suggestive messages from then-Rep. Mark Foley in 1997.

Tyson Vivyan’s account appears to show the earliest exchange of suggestive messages reported so far between Foley and teens who had served in the Capitol page program. Previous accounts placed the earliest contacts in 2003.

Vivyan, 26, told The Associated Press that Foley began sending him instant messages about a month or two after his nine-month stint as a page ended in June 1997.

It’s worth noting that all of these revelations, while obviously disturbing, are secondary when it comes to the political scandal. Whether Foley pursued seven pages or 700 pages won’t change the fact that the House GOP leadership apparently tried to cover up the whole sordid affair and did nothing to protect other minors in their care.

I mention it anyway, however, because some sadly foolish people are inclined to believe that Drudge and Limbaugh are raising a legitimate point. It just goes to show you really can fool some of the people all of the time.

And just as an aside, it’s also worth noting how conservatives have broken up into two camps over the last week — one that’s disgusted with the GOP’s handling of the scandal and believes the party needs responsible leadership for a change, and another that will embrace fantastical conspiracy theories involving Dems, Soros, the media, and the “velvet mafia.”

For the latter, I’m afraid there is no hope.

“It just goes to show you really can fool some of the people all of the time.”

Like JRS, Jr. ( Joyful [for] Rightwing Spunk–can only hope there isn’t a JRS Sr.) and my brother in law. Minds of stubborn 2 year olds.

  • CB: some sadly foolish people are inclined to believe that Drudge and Limbaugh are raising a legitimate point.

    yeah, the hypocritical rush limpet, who went to the Dominican Republic, a place known for boychild prostitution, and took Viagra with him. oh yeah, his credibility’s way up there. not.

    James Baldwin: ‘People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster.’

  • For a party that disdains defense attorneys they sure act like the worst of them. Instead of trying to find truth they just try to cloudy the issues. Another irony is that so many Republicans are going to need defense attorneys.

  • I’m beginning to wonder why any young man would associate himself voluntarily to the Republican’t party. Even when this scandel was under wraps they were all afraid to talk because they were afraid for their future employability. Now that it is out they are under attack from the very people who claim to best be able to protect them from Foley types.

    But apparantly the money Foley got, probably from other Foley type donors, was just too good to pass up.

    It’s amazing that the Theocratic Reactionaries and the True Christians still embrace this joke of a party.

  • Also, if it was a prank, wouldn’t a Congressman respond by saying in an IM, “I’m not sure what you’re trying to get at here, but I’m not interested, and this isn’t an appropriate conversation.”

    Unless, of course, they held Foley’s hands to the keyboard and MADE HIM write about d*ck-measuring. That must be it! I’ve got the next big Drudge scoop!!! Wowie Zowie!

  • Yo Bub, I only asked a question yesterday based on some chatter, and then quickly pointed out that it was unlikely to be true given Foley’s quick resignation…

    Maybe you should think a little before jumping down my throat. Maybe its better to be rapid and angry and name call!

  • As if this need a final nail in the coffin, the page’s lawyer said, on the record, this was not a prank

    The attorney disputed as “a piece of fiction” a report on a widely viewed Internet site, The Drudge Report, that [deleted page’s name] exchanges with Foley were a prank by the page.

    Jones said, “There is not any aspect of this matter that is a practical joke nor should anyone treat it that way.”

  • Lance: I’m beginning to wonder why any young man would associate himself voluntarily to the Republican’t party.

    cuz ken mehlman’s got a purty mouth?

  • If it was a prank, then why did Foley resign so quickly?
    2Manchu

    It was Clinton’s fault. (Hillary or Bill, take your pick.)

  • In the 19th century both Limbaugh and Drudge would be known to communities of decent folks as traveling Snake-Oil Salesmen. They will do what it takes to take care of themselves and their surly ilk, even at the expense of innocent, unassuming people. “Unhinged” is an appropriate attribute for the likes of these viscious personalities. I say turn them off! -Kevo

  • “Lance: I’m beginning to wonder why any young man would associate himself voluntarily to the Republican’t party.

    cuz ken mehlman’s got a purty mouth? ” – rimone

    LOL. Scary that. Now I’d like to start investigating Mehlman, if the Republican’t party’s attitude to Mark Foley was “troll among our conservative young men denied the sex education to recognize a predatory sex addict, we don’t mind.”

    “As long as you pony up the donations, of course.”

  • “It’s probably asa realistic as the fabled “vast right wing conspiracy.” ”
    Comment by JRS Jr

    Right JRS Jr. You have credibility. Just like the above comment from a different post shows. Complete credibility. Jenuine Republican Spunkmaster Jr.

  • Given the fact tape worms disguised as lawyers have written books on how to trip up child witnesses testifying in abuse cases, is any one surprised that people are going after the former pages?

    Some one else has already noted this country has some damn fucked up notions about sex and things that to the brain-dead observer, look a bit like sex but really have nothing to do with sex, like stalking and rape. (Much in the same way a boxing match is nothing like some bastard leaping out and punching you in the face because he’s bored.)

    Because certain confused but vocal elements of society insist on saying sex of any sort is bad and sex between two people with matching genitals is extra bad (unless the loud mouths want to do it), the victims of anything involving naughty bits are tainted by association. In this case I think some of idiots are, intentionally or not, fogetting Foley because he has been laying low since his bid for pity a few days ago. Of course the bigoted bastards are all over it as proof that gay people are evil. (Idon’t know what they’ll do if some of the pages turn out to be gay, blame Foley? Or Clinton?) But I think most of these skin-wasters blame the pages to some extent.

    But that’s one of the many fun things about being a sexual predator. You thrive on secrecy. If your victims complain, society will turn on them and try to shush them for talking about “nasty things.” DAs who are elected to office don’t like to prosecute cases in which a dick is used as a weapon because they have a low conviction rate. (Better to go after drug dealers.) Then, if you have enough money you can sit back and watch your attorney do to your victim in public what you’ve done to them in private.

    Nice to know the right-wank support morals so much they give people who violate their extensive rules a free pass.

  • Ever since former-Hollywood liberal and failed screenwriter Roger L. Simon “got religion” on 9/11 and discovered that over on the right he was taken as a genius (rather than seen as the pathetic putz he really is and always has been by those on the Hollywood left who actually knew him in person), and that by buddying up with former Stalinist David Horowitz, that these two “Elmer Gantrys” could tap into vast fortunes from mental midgets whose existence proves inherited wealth is a crime, the boy has gone from bad to worse.

    I think though that Roger has really hit bottom with the outing of the pages. This act of public patriotism was performed by failed musician – and fulltime proof that the ethnic slur “Dumbfuck Okie” does have some thin connection to some reality with some people – “Wild Bill” at his little-visited site “Passionate America”.

    There would have been nothing done with this, had not Roger L. Simon, CEO of Pantsload Media (as James Wolcott has so aptly named them), linked this crap on his personal website, then let all the other righties (Drudge, Hugh Hewitt, etc.) know, so they could link his link without having to dirty themselves by touching “Passionate America” directly. Ah yes, the “delicacy” and “moral integrity” of Patriotic America at its best.

    Hell, even Michelle Malkin called these scumballs on their scumballness!

    Thank goodness Roger no longer goes to WGA events, I’d hate to be arrested for having planted my size-10 between his legs as hard as possible and then kicking him repeatedly after he went down. But boy, would it be satisfying – almost as much as whacking failed-Hollywood-wannabee Matt Drudge.

    In fact, there is a whole doctoral thesis to be done on these guys who wanted to be bigtime “entertainers” – Roger L. Simon, Matt Drudge, Charles Johnson (failed heavy metal musician who runs Little Green Snotballs), “Wild Bill” – the whole bunch. They fail where they have to be judged on having actual talent, then become stars among the morons of the right. But then, having a low double-digit IQ on the Right does make you look pretty good, in comparison to the rest of the hairy-backed neckless knuckledraggers.

  • There’s nothing as blindly vicious in this world as a Republican ego cornered by the truth.

    It makes one wonder if the reason for forming the Young Republicans was to be a farm team for guys like Foley.

    Elizabeth Kubler-Ross came up with the seven stages of grief when confronting death. The Republicans have their own seven stages when doom is imminent: denial (first, lie then lie again), initiate cover-up, assume mantel of victimhood, attack accusers (to the swiftboats!), blame the media, attack other party members to maintain order, implode.

  • Oh,I forgot – professional driug-addled boy-chaser Rush Limbaugh is also a failed “creative type” – in his 20s he wanted to be both a musician and a writer.

    And when you go international and historical, and look at the number of far right figures – from failed-artist Adolf Hitler to failed-intellectual Josef Goebbels to failed writer Benito Mussolini and on down the list – the number of people who turned to the Right after failing at the thing they most wanted to do, and turning their hatred of the world that failed to recognize their talent into a political weapon, is waaaay beyond coincidental. I am just re-reading Barbara Tuchman’s “The Proud Tower” and in the chapter on the Dreyfus Affair she points out how all the far-right “leadership” in that was also people who had failed in creative endeavors.

    You know, you can also include failed screenwriter-wannabee Hugh Hewitt on that list, as well as Whatshisname, the surfing congressman from Huntington Beach who never thought there was anything strange that the screenplay he’s been hawking since 1975 was optioned by the con artist who was running the scam about a TV series on the Department of Homeland Insecurity.

    The list goes on….

  • OK I don’t like CNN polls but sometimes when I look at the results I do have to wonder about people. Today the question is:

    Are you satisfied with the way Republicans are handling the Foley-congressional page scandal?

    79% of the respondents voted No. Can someone please explain why/how 21% said Yes? This wasn’t about how you felt about Foley, the Democrats, or homosexuality – it was about how the Republicans are handling the scandal. I just don’t get how 21% can feel they are handling it well.

    Well some Democrats may be just fine with it because it makes Republicans look bad, but why would any average Republican think this is being handled well.

  • “Can someone please explain why/how 21% said Yes?”

    They are part of the intentionally stupid–like JRS Jr.

  • just to stir the pot a bit, does anyone else remember this? larger version here.

    there’s something about rethugs and boychild sex…can’t put my finger on it (and don’t wanna) but it’s like an ingrained pattern.

    i’d dig asking Jeffy/Jimmy Guckert/Gannon but he never answers my mails, dunno why.

  • This continues to look more and more like the institutional Roman Catholic Church every day. Anything to avoid sticking the blame where it belongs: with the principal authority figures responsible for tolerating it, until it’s exposed by the real victims, the altar boys and pages.

    Put a miter on Hastert and a triple-crown tiara on Bush and you’ve got the visual.

    Moribund institutions almost never go out gracefully. Too bad the ideals which inspire such institutions die before their hypocritical embodiment is acknowledged.

    As I read in a poem written by one of my students, commenting on the beauty of a bunch of flowers he had picked and stuffed in a tin can vase in his room: they didn’t know they were dead / not for days.

  • “Can someone please explain why/how 21% said Yes?”

    Because there’s 21% of the GOP that is as rabidly partisan as many of you!

  • Ha, I’m not so rabidly partisan that I would suffer a child molester.

    Anyone who covered this up should go to jail.

  • “‘Can someone please explain why/how 21% said Yes?’

    Because there’s 21% of the GOP that is as rabidly partisan as many of you!” – JRS Jr.

    More like 50% of the GOP. Since 21% of the whole are idiots and the GOP is about 40% of America, than more than half of the GOP have to be idiots.

    Public school education. You should try it 😉

  • ***…some sadly foolish people are inclined to believe that Drudge and Limbaugh are raising a legitimate point.***

    Perhaps the only way to get those sadly foolish people to stop drinking the kool aid—is to camouflage the kool aid by “overwhelming it’s ability to provide enough for those sadly foolish people to drink….”

    Now, let us see if Herr Linmbaugh can correctly identify the term “A.P.”—and it isn’t “Associated Press….”

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