It’s a little late to spin the ‘last throes’ comment

I can appreciate the fact that [tag]Dick Cheney[/tag] finds it embarrassing, but a year ago, he really did say that the insurgency in Iraq was in its “[tag]last throes[/tag].”

“I think we may well have some kind of presence there over a period of time,” Cheney said. “The level of activity that we see today from a military standpoint, I think, will clearly decline. I think they’re in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency.”

Since then, he’s defended the comment. In fact, as recently as March, Cheney said the remarks were “basically accurate and reflect reality.” Today he took his defense one step further, and created a made-up context for his original comments.

“What I was referring to was the series of events that took place in 1995 [sic – 2005]. I think the key turning point when we get back 10 years from now, say, and look back on this period of time and with respect to the campaign in Iraq, will be that series of events when the Iraqis increasingly took over responsibility for their own affairs.”

This is total nonsense. The [tag]Vice President[/tag] may not be familiar with it, but there’s a tool known as “Google,” which people can use to find something called a “transcript.” A year ago, Cheney clearly was speaking about the military and the ongoing violence when he predicted the “last throes.” Now he not only wants people to believe he was right all along, he also wants them to forget about the original context.

I’m curious — does Cheney a) fool himself into believing things that aren’t true; b) expect reporters and others to not check the record; or c) simply not care anymore if people know he’s not telling the truth? Given his record, I think I’m leaning towards the latter.

The answer is all three. How Cheney the witless moron ever got the reputation for omniscience he had (very definitely past tense) is truly amazing. The man has never ever been right about anything (you can look it up, it’s true!).

  • Naw, it’s just cynical reality on their part that, if they repeat a lie enough times (and Faux News is ready and willing to play their Brave New Line umpteen times to help drill it into the public conscious), it takes on a truth of its own. Think on ‘clear skies initiative’, ‘healthy forests initiative’ (pollute the skies and logging, respectively), or any of the other multitude of things surrounding this administration.

  • Without a media that will challenge such statments for what they are, it doesn’t really matter. He knows he can get away with it.

  • It’s all about power politics. The objective is to win, period. Nothing else matters. You can only make sense of what they do or say in that context.

  • He’s just expected to answer a question with a string of words. What the words are doesn’t matter. It’s just gibberish without subtitles.

  • El Senor Carpetbagger:

    “Given his record, I think I’m leaning towards the latter.

    It is absolutely the latter.
    Cheney is gleefully lying.

    Few people understand just what a sick evil bastard this guy is.

    Let me provide some perspective:

    Everyone knows he told a fellow Senator to go fuck himself on the floor of the Senate.

    But what everyone doesn’t realize is that Cheney is constantly telling his political opponents to go fuck themselves.

    For example consider the Carpterbagger’s most recent post on Cheney. Being interviewed by Fox’s Sean Hannity, Cheney said:

    That’s right. (Laughter.) I got to tune in every day to [FOX] find out what’s really going on in the world.

    Cheney knows the left hates Fox news.
    So he used his power as veep to purposely recommend Fox news to Americans.

    In other words:

    CHENEY ABUSES HIS OFFICE TO TELL YOU AND I, EVERYDAY IN EVERY WAY, TO FUCK OFF.

    The guy is absolutely sinister.
    He was meant to be a member of the USSR’s politiburo.

    He is the most evil creature DC has seen in a long long time.
    Cut the bastard his due: He is damn good at being evil.

  • If it is indeed c). —– which I think is the one, it is the THIRD or the LAST. The “latter” is the second of two!

    I am pompousabout correct English I know, but how is it that only in the US is it not considered important that the message is delivered in accurate language to reinforce verisimilitude and weight? The converse is that a journalist who writes or speak incorrect English characterizes her/himself as sloppy and inaccurate, possibly lying or otherwise distorting.

  • Now I have corrected my sausage fingered writing! If it is indeed c). —– which I think is the one, it is the THIRD or the LAST. The “latter” is the second of two!

    I am pompous about correct English I know, but how is it that only in the US is it not considered important that the message is delivered in accurate language to reinforce verisimilitude and weight? The converse is that a journalist who writes or speaks incorrect English characterizes her/himself as sloppy and inaccurate, possibly lying or otherwise distorting.

  • You guys all are forgetting – they are out there creating their own reality. So what Cheney says is true, in that it’s true that he just made it up.

  • Koreyel – great post.

    If you watch Cheney in an interview, he really does appear to enjoy lying.

  • “I’m curious — does Cheney
    a) fool himself into believing things that aren’t true;
    b) expect reporters and others to not check the record; or
    c) simply not care anymore if people know he’s not telling the truth?” – CB

    d) doesn’t expect anyone to actually stand face to face with him and call him a liar.

  • I think it’s a version of c) – utter contempt for what he sees as the archaic concepts of ‘truth’ and ‘honesty’, so that he not only doesn’t care, he’s actually dismissive of those who are so naive as to believe they matter.

  • I agree with Paul. The answer is c)

    Since Nixon, he’s been a proponent of the imperial presidency which he kept quiet from the media till he became VP.

    In Norman Schwartzkopf’s memoirs, he writes about an unnamed senior gov official giving him grief for not attacking Iraq in Nov of 1990 during Desert Shield. The senior official kept comparing the reluctance of McClellan to the aggressiveness of Grant and Sherman and Norman mentions that it was because the unamed official had seen Ken Burns PBS documentary. Later in the memoir, Norman mentions that Dick Cheney gave him copies of the documentary as a tactics primer not knowing that the US Civil War was part of the 1st year cirriculum at West Point.

  • The Big Dick doesn’t need to tell the truth anymore. No one in the media seems to want to call his BS so his quote will get airtime and treated as fact. I’m amazed he even felt compelled to explain himself, being as contemptuous of us citizens as he is. He could have just shot the reporter in the face and walked away.

  • So far none of these turning points has “turned” anything, as you can see for yourself. Not that such facts concern The Shooter or anyone else in the Bush Crime Famly.

  • Please, is there any question but that this guy is evil? His every step has been to seek an accumulation of power behind veils of secrecy that work consistently and arbitrarily to the detriment of others and for the benefit of his “friends.” He has no concern whatsoever for the lives of those who are not his followers. Those in the American public who follow him blindly have no idea that he would cut them loose in a NY minute if it furthered his cause.

    The failure of the media to challenge him and Bush on this and other comments reminds me of the great line in Broadcast News where Holly Hunter asks Albert Brooks if William Hurt’s character is the devil. Brooks asks her if she thinks that the devil will wear a red suit and have a pitchfork. Brooks says, of course not (and I’m paraphrasing) but “the devil will get a job where he influences a great God-fearing nation. He will then, just bit by little bit, lower our standards wherever they’re important.”

    Powerful stuff. Sound like anyone we know???

  • b) expect reporters and others to not check the record

    “Others” aside, I defy anybody – in fact I double-dog dare them, to find one single instance of any mainstream media outlet doing exactly that.

    Go ahead. I’ll wait.

  • Bush and Cheney have lied their way to the White House. They lied their way to tax cuts. They lied their way into Iraq. They lied their way to Medicare part D. They lied their way to NCLB. With the exception of social security privatization, lying has worked for them. Cheney is sticking with what works.

  • Do you remember Cheney’s blatant lie during the VP debate, about never having met Edwards before? The pundits following the debate all babbled about what a great line that was — even Tim Russert, who knew it was a lie because they had appeared on his show together (which of course Russert neglected to point out).

    If Cheney has the option of lying, he will, even if the benefit is neglible. Hell, he’ll probably lie even if it hurts his case slightly, just to keep in practice. I think it’s some sort of religious obligation for him to lie as muh as possible.

  • Has anyone ever noticed How D. Cheney once he begains to speak his lies his shoulders start to hunch inward and he begains to turn side to side because his neck is restricted due to his shoulder posture?? It is a bit of body language I’ve come to expect from the Dick.Opppsss I mean Richard….

  • Watch “Frontline” on PBS Tues. pm for a documentary called “The Dark Side”. It’s all about how Cheney and Rumsfeld lied to get us into Iraq.

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