‘It’s a little surreal’

The White House has had almost a week to come up with some semblance of a rationale for Dick Cheney arguing that he’s not part of the executive branch. There are some clever spin doctors in the vaunted White House communications office and some creative lawyers in the WH counsel’s office; surely someone will come up with something vaguely coherent, right? Wrong.

The explanatory task fell to White House spokeswoman Dana Perino, whose skin reddened around her neck and collar as she pleaded ignorance during the daily briefing: “I’m not a legal scholar. . . . I’m not opining on his argument that his office is making. . . . I don’t know why he made the arguments that he did.”

“It’s a little surreal,” remarked Keith Koffler of Congress Daily. “You’re telling me,” Perino agreed.

“You can’t give an opinion about whether the vice president is part of the executive branch or not?” Koffler pressed. “It’s a little bit like somebody saying, ‘I don’t know if this is my wife or not.’ “

I’ve either read the transcript or listened to the audio of every White House press briefing since 2003 and I’ve never heard anything quite like yesterday’s circus. I might have felt sorry for Dana Perino — her employers gave her an impossible task — were it not for breathtaking obstinacy.

ABC’s Martha Raddatz led off. “Does the president believe [Cheney] is part of the executive branch?” Perino refused to answer. Asked again, Perino said she’s not “opining” on the subject. CBS News’s Jim Axelrod suggested Perino was denying “sky-is-blue stuff” and pointed out that the matter revises “more than 200 years of constitutional scholarship.” Perino had nothing.

At my favorite point, Perino said, “I think that everyone is making this a little bit more complicated than it needs to be.” Moments later, when a reporter asked why she “can’t give an opinion about whether the Vice President is part of the executive branch or not,” Perino responded, “I think it’s a little bit more complicated than that.” In other words, as far as Perino was concerned reporters were making this controversy more complicated and less complicated simultaneously.

A reporter eventually said, “[Cheney] can argue he’s part of both, but he can’t possibly argue that he’s part of neither. And it seems like he’s saying he’s part of neither.” To which Perino responded, “Okay, you have me thoroughly confused.”

It was the only thing she got right the whole day.

There’s a moment in Monty Python and the Holy Grail when an obnoxious Frenchman is taunting Arthur and Galahad. After a series of abusive comments, Galahad eventually asks, “Is there someone else up there we could talk to?”

I thought about that yesterday. At one point, Perino said, in response to one of many Cheney-related questions, “I don’t know that to be true, so I’m not commenting on it.” Helen Thomas responded, “Can you send someone out here who can?”

As for Congress, Dems are dead-serious about challenging funding for the Office of the Vice President. Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.) said his measure will go to the floor this week (Wednesday or Thursday). “He can live off the Senate presidency budget that funds him up here,” Emanuel said. “And that’s fine.”

Senate Dems are on the case as well.

Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) yesterday warned Dick Cheney that his office would risk losing its budget unless the vice president agrees to follow a presidential directive ordering the protection of classified information.

Durbin chairs the Appropriations subcommittee on financial services and general government, which writes the executive-branch spending bill that funds the vice president’s budget.

Durbin’s warning came as Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), No. 3 in Democratic leadership, said that he would “seriously consider” joining House counterparts in seeking to yank funding for Cheney’s office after the vice president contended that his office is a hybrid entity that is neither legislative nor executive.

Stay tuned.

“Okay, you have me thoroughly confused.”

Karl… the Dana Perino model of the White House spokes-robot had an operating system crash. We need an upgrade to the NSA-compliant Windows Vista.

  • Cutting off funds? Giving more “warnings”?

    Dems should be calmly and firmly drawing up articles of impeachment. Cheney openly says he doesn’t have to abide by national secrecy laws? Fine, Dick, you’re fired. National security isn’t a game.

    IMPEACH.

    NOW.

  • For the damage Cheney has done to our bodypolitic, he should be kicked to the curb by all of us for being such an undemocratic ass! -Kevo

  • I agree with Racerx. What does it take? This is the most corrupt, incompetent, evil, dangerous, malicious (I’m sure people could add even more adjectives) vice president in the history of the US. For god sake, Agnew was forced to resign for less. Gore caught more heat for some phone calls made from the wrong office. This is insane!!! This guy shouldn’t be VP, he should be locked up in Guantanamo.

    I’m sorry, but this is like a bizarre farce meant for the stage.

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  • For two years, the VP did comply with the ISOO – 2001 and 2002. We all remember 2003, don’t we? The year of the “16 words,” the start of the war in Iraq, the Joe Wilson op-ed and the outing of Valerie Plame. Quite a year, and apparently the same year the light bulb went on over Cheney’s head and he realized he straddled two branches of government and was therefore exempt from any of the oversight requirements that attend to both, while retaining all the privileges. That Cheney – he always finds a way to have his cake and eat it, too. And it sure helps when he has Gonzales at the ready to defend whatever Cheney’s possibly oxygen-deprived brain comes up with.

    Sally Quinn has a piece in the WaPo today that suggests that after the VP goes in to have his pacemaker replaced, he will resign on doctor’s orders, and Fred Thompson – the man who is loading his campaign staff with Karl Rove protégés and Cheney-approved operatives – will be nominated to replace him.

    I’m still shuddering, actually, but it’s an intriguing bit of speculation.

    As for Perino, the speed with which she speaks is inversely proportional to the truth contained in what she says. The faster she talks, the more lies she is telling.

  • I’ve either read the transcript or listened to the audio of every White House press briefing since 2003 and I’ve never heard anything quite like yesterday’s circus.

    Amen to that! I’ve never seen this level of contempt for the person at the podium. Ever.

  • The White House has had almost a week to come up with some semblance of a rationale…

    …Meaning, since February or so, when the story first broke.

    I might have felt sorry for Dana Perino…

    Me too, but only because I can’t imagine myself having sex with Tony Snow.

  • The Monty Python sketch this most reminds me of is the dead parrot sketch. Dana Perino is insisting that what we’re seeing is a Norwegian Blue that is pining for the fjords while the press is stating the obvious that we have a dead parrot on our hands.

    How can this not be high crimes and misdemeanors when the Veep says he is bound by no laws — that he exists in a grey area unfettered the rules that govern others? Either impeach the bastard or lock him up in a padded room. This nation can’t continue to tolerate absurdist performance art masquerading as a government.

  • The Monty Python sketch this most reminds me of is the dead parrot sketch.

    I’m going with the cheese shop on this one. Do they, in fact, have any cheese?

  • For THIS the Democratic leadership is willing to cut off funds, but not for the disastrous diversion a.k.a. the Iraq War?

    Sigh. . .

    However, I’m so starved for the Democratic leadership to take ANY kind of a firm stand that I’m ecstatic about this, even though it’s months overdue (counting from February, when the story first broke in the blogosphere) and much milder than the impeachment that is so richly deserved.

  • “A reporter eventually said, “[Cheney] can argue he’s part of both, but he can’t possibly argue that he’s part of neither. ”

    Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

    (Sorry to hear about those press credentials, but wasn’t it worth it?)

  • Cheney.5-7-5:

    Cheney’s consciousness
    Hurls one storm: Go fuck yourselves!
    An ashcan of rage…

  • You all have it wrong on the Python references. Cheney is in the office of Arguments.

    Reality: You’re part of the executive branch.
    Cheney: No I’m not.
    Reality: Yes you are.
    Cheney: No I’m not.
    Reality: Yes you are.
    Cheney: No I’m not.
    Reality: Yes you are.
    Cheney: No I’m not.

    Etc. etc. etc.

    Meanwhile, the Dems don’t do a damn thing, Cheney and Co. continue to treat everyone like malodorous perverts, and death awaits all our troops in Iraq with big, nasty, pointy teeth.

    Or something.

  • “A reporter eventually said, “[Cheney] can argue he’s part of both, but he can’t possibly argue that he’s part of neither.”

    This is what CNN “political contributor” and corporate frontman David Gergen refers to as “ambush journalism” (apparently asking public figures questions that they are uncomfortable talking about is considered “ambush journalism”).

    America needs a big dose of “ambush journalism” to cure it from the metastasized cancer of corporate ownership and control of government and media.

  • The reason they aren’t going to impeachment is they know it wouldn’t work – not enough votes to convict. By contrast, the defunding gambit is much more likely to be successful (no need for a Senate supermajority), and can be accomplished in much less time. It’s also much more humiliating for the VP to be defunded than just tried and acquitted. Last of all, there are simply no non-silly arguments to support Cheney’s substantive position. The whole power-behind-the-throne position depends on it not being exposed to daylight.

  • Sally Quinn has a piece in the WaPo today that suggests that after the VP goes in to have his pacemaker replaced, he will resign on doctor’s orders

    Wishful thinking. Unless Cheney dies on the operating table, he’s not leaving anytime before 2009. Why? If for no other reason, because he’ll need a pardon as the chimp leaves office, and he can’t insure that unless he’s there.

  • Re: jimBOB @ #16

    The reason they aren’t going to impeachment is they know it wouldn’t work – not enough votes to convict.

    I’ll file that under “Democratic Excuses for Not Preserving our Constitutional Republic.”

  • Anne’s post is an eye-opener…I’m thinking Sally Quinn has heard a lot of grumbling on the DC cocktail circuit but as I read her column it seems that this Fred Thompson as “Stepford” VP is her idea…

    Memo to Dem’s: no need to play ball here…if Cheney does indeed retire post-surgery, just keep the VP post empty – Pelosi can always rise to the Presidency if need be, and you can bet your *ss she won’t be pardoning any of these Repub criminals….

  • Hey, folks—it’s a really simple theorum. If…

    …(A) “No state can document that Cheney was elected, by popular vote, to either chamber of Congress—so he’s not a part of the Legislative Branch of the Government,” and…

    …(B) He was not nominated and confirmed to any Federal Bench, so he’s not a part of the Judicial Branch of the Government, and…

    …(C) He openly denies being a part of the Executive Branch of the Government, then…

    Richard Bruce Cheney is not a legitimate member of the United states Government. His entire staff, likewise, lacks membership in the United States Government. As such, they are—each and every one, from Cheney on down—guilty of fraud, forgery, impersonating Government officials, impeding official Government business, and theft of wages. Blockade the entire Naval Observatory grounds and starve them out—and if “Marine 2” even tries to take the fat little bastard out of his hole?

    Shooting the damned thing down would be a justifiable act, based on the very order issued by Richard Bruce Cheney on September 11, 2001. To paraphrase the directive isued:

    “All unauthorized aircraft are to be considered hostile, a threat to the United States of America, and shot down forthwith.”

    Such are the cruel twists of irony….

  • Richard Bruce Cheney is not a legitimate member of the United states Government.

    There’s the small matter that his office is explicitly created by constitutional language.

    JKap

    I’ve thought for some time that both Cheney and Bush ought to be impeached. However, I also recognize that neither would be convicted in the current context. This is sad, but it’s a reality.

    By contrast, Cheney has just served up a great opportunity with this constitutional drivel. Defunding his office, or even just credibly threatening to do it, humiliates him and undermines his credibility.

    Would you rather pursue a quixotic failed attempt at impeachment, or actually take an opportunity to actually hurt him? Remember, this whole VP-the-dictator thing is a bluff; Cheney only wields this power because he is allowed to by those he has intimidated. Visibly humiliate Cheney, and his real power declines as well.

  • jimBOB (16), I’ll make the opposite critique of JKap. Defunding actually will require a supermajority, because Rethugs will call this “political theater” and threaten a filibuster, so cloture will take 60 votes.

  • Re: jimBOB @ #21

    Sure, defund the OVP and send “Dick” to bed without dinner.

    Impeachment (of the entire Bush Laden Crime Family) is imperative if we are to preserve the American experiment of government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

    When you have a rat in your house, you don’t wait for the rat to leave peaceably on its own. You might try rat poison or traps, but ultimately you call the exterminator and “get the job done” as the Usurper-In-Chief says.

    I also just wanted to mention that I think it is a form of complicity on the part of Dems that they are not making much noise about the treason that has been committed by Vice President Richard “Ballrest” Cheney. After all, what is treason if it is not “imperilling, subverting and usurping” the U.S. Constitution of 1789?

  • Staying focused on the press conference topic … (I’m so tempted to get into the impeachment question):
    While reading CB’s original post, it struck me that the whole scene was reather bizarre. I googled White House Press Secretary and went to wikipedia to get some insight into the Press Secretary’s role/job. It is to represent the administration to the press and public.

    So, bottom line, to me, is that the question is: “What is the adminsitration’s position regarding the following question: Is the OVP part of the executive branch, yes or no?” And the Press Secretary ought to reply with what the administration’s position is on that topic. Under NO circumstances is a statement like “I’m not going to opine on that” in ahy way relevant. This is not an exercise in which the press corps is engaging Ms. Perino as an INDIVIDUAL, as if it were a conversation at some D.C. cocktail party. She has a job to do and a role to play … her personal opinions have nothing to do with it.

    Helen Thomas was on the right track, but, unfortunately I believe the current administration has rewritten the “job description” of the White House Press Secretary … to being a “marketer” of the party line. They can’t send anyone else out that would do any better.

  • Fefunding, Zeitgeist, will not require a supermajority. The executive appropriations bill is up for renewal, and it will expire on a given date, at a given time. Continuing that funding requires either (1) a new funding package, or (2) a temporary stop-gap package.

    Because this is a funding bill, it must be created by the House of Representatives—and that chamber does not play with the drivellous goo of “cloture.” It only requires 50%, plus 1 additional vote, to stop OVP funding. If you bring it down to the nuts-n-bolts of the issue, all it requires is for a majority of the subcommittee charged with drafting the bill to vote against funding.

    In short—the House, if it chose to exercise the brute audacity called for by current circumstances, could shut the executive branch down—“tight as a mouse’s ear, and cold as a witch’s tit.” The only thing actually called for, Constitutionally, is the salary of the President. All other functions of the Executive—every department; every office beyond that of the President—can be legitimately defunded.

    As for Cheney’s position being created via Constitutional language, that language also recognizes that the Government is broken into three unique components—Executive, Legislative, and Judicial. If Cheney rejects membership in one component, and cannot demonstrate membership in either of the remaining two, then the argument exists that he is, indeed, “not a member of the United States Government.”

  • Jumping Jehosaphat, Steve #27. Now I really wish I’d stayed awake in Civics class way back when dirt was brand new. If that’s really all it takes, ol’ Dicky baby had better keep his defibrillator close by. Sounds like he might be needing it. 🙂

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