It’s not just Vietnam

If you haven’t seen it, I’d really encourage folks to read or watch the president’s speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars’ national convention. It’s helpful to see how one president can be so wrong about so many things in just one address.

Much of the discussion around the political world today seems to be focused on the history of the war in Vietnam, and for good reason; Bush’s version of events is spectacularly mistaken. But let’s not forget that the president also returned to a popular comparison for this White House: the war in Korea.

From today’s speech:

“Critics … complained when America intervened to save South Korea from communist invasion. Then as now, the critics argued that the war was futile, that we should never have sent our troops in, or they argued that America’s intervention was divisive here at home. […]

Throughout the war, the Republicans really never had a clear position. They never could decide whether they wanted the United States to withdraw from the war in Korea, or expand the war to the Chinese mainland. Others complained that our troops weren’t getting the support from the government. One Republican senator said, the effort was just ‘bluff and bluster.’ He rejected calls to come together in a time of war, on the grounds that ‘we will not allow the cloak of national unity to be wrapped around horrible blunders.’

Many in the press agreed. One columnist in The Washington Post said, ‘The fact is that the conduct of the Korean War has been shot through with errors great and small.’ A colleague wrote that ‘Korea is an open wound. It’s bleeding and there’s no cure for it in sight.’ He said that the American people could not understand ‘why Americans are doing about 95 percent of the fighting in Korea.'”

Bush boasted this morning that, regardless of the challenges, “the United States never broke its word.” He added, “Today, we see the result of a sacrifice.”

Um, no.

TPM Reader KS explained today:

I think if people want to make the Korean War analogy, they should do it right. Bush sees the Korean War as a symbol of our commitment to fight aggression and lay the groundwork for development and, eventually, democracy, in South Korea. But we had achieved the liberation of South Korea by October 1950, mere months after the war began. We then made the disastrous decision to push into North Korea in an effort to topple the communist government there. That triggered Chinese intervention, and the war developed into a stalemate that dragged on for three more years. The eventual ceasefire returned things essentially to the status quo ante, an outcome we could have achieved at much lower cost had we not chosen to expand the war.

So, yes, the Korean War analogy is quite apt. Just not in the way Bush means it. The decision to invade Iraq in March 2003 looks a lot like the ultimately futile decision to invade North Korea in October 1950.

I’d only add that it’s odd that Bush would brag today about “the result” of this conflict, given that North and South Korea are still divided, and U.S. troops have been stationed along the DMZ for a half-century.

Oh, and that Bush believes this offers a model for a (very) long-term presence for U.S. troops in Iraq.

It’s no secret that the president doesn’t know what he’s talking about, but today makes clear that his speechwriters are as confused as Bush is.

How do you like your Empire, America? We finally found our Caesar!

  • On and on and on it goes. Bush’s attempts to justify the permanent war. And now he plans to attack Iran. I gues he was accurate when he boasted he would make it impossible for the next president to leave Iraq. If only congress would realize we support shutting down the government in a stand off if necessary to stop Bush and his dirty little war.

  • CB wrote: “I’d only add that it’s odd that Bush would brag today about “the result” of this conflict, given that North and South Korea are still divided, and U.S. troops have been stationed along the DMZ for a half-century.”

    You should also add (though obvious) that North Korea is almost certainly the most dangerous nation on the planet, with a massive army, nuclear stockpiles and nothing to lose. If North Korea is ‘Mission Accomplished’, I’ll take my chances with failure.

  • It’s quite a bit like the Civil War, too. In both cases there were men with uniforms, and guns. And people got killed. Americans participated. It was popular with some folks, and not so popular with others.

  • The enemy in Korea and Vietnam was Communism. The enemy in Afghanistan and, purportedly, in Iraq is Isalmaic terrorism. One is political, the other is religious. I think that’s a HUGE difference that should not be overlooked.

  • What Bush is missing right now is his top general in Iraq planning to run for President in the next election. Or is he?

  • Mark wrote: “It’s quite a bit like the Civil War, too. In both cases there were men with uniforms, and guns. And people got killed. Americans participated. It was popular with some folks, and not so popular with others.”

    Damn, Mark, have you been ghostwriting as Bush’s speechwriter? I swear, you’ve nailed his rhetorical style perfectly!

  • I guess he was standing on his head, again, because it sure reads like he was talking out of his ass; hope those present were not overcome by the fumes.

    Sorry to be so snarky, but between this no-excuse-for-a-president, and the media and their refusal to get off their asses and fact-check their own articles and reports, and the eagerness of the media to create controversy where none exists, apparently, because they are so hooked on the slug-fest-as-ratings-magnet concept, even if they have to invent one, that they cannot get through a day without one, I am just angry and irritated and over it all.

    And because we have a media that consists of overpaid stenographers, it allows this president and so many others to get up and spout garbage, and rest assured that it will be neatly packaged and tied with a bow for the public that still thinks the media is working hard to bring them the truth.

    The media is no longer a watchdog, questioning those in power and looking out for the people, and I think we are seeing the consequences of their failure – a war that I believe could have been short-circuited had the media asked the right questions and hammered away at those in power, erosion of constitutional rights, elimination of regulations and protections for consumers, dirtier air and water, falling incomes, a banking industry that may bring the economy to its knees, destruction of government agencies which failed the people of the Gulf Coast, and using the DOJ to strongarm and intimidate – but they chose to lock elbows with the administration, form a circle and proceed to join Bush and Cheney and Rove and Gonzales in kicking the people in the teeth.

    When you look at George Bush at the podium, you are looking at disaster aided and abetted by a media that has rendered itself not just useless, but dangerous.

    /rant

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    President Bush (All 80 IQ points) of the United States of America:

    “Today, we see the result of a sacrifice.”

    No Brutus…

    Today we see the result of deliberate lies issued by a born-rich brute who never had to sacrifice anything in his life; but who still has the sinister gall to continue to encourage others to sacrifice their lives for his impotent, mislaid ideas.

    Sorry… but someone had to say it.

  • Just think, somewhere, there’s a kid who’s going to google “Korean War,” come up with this crap and write it into a history paper. So much for aspiring to be a C student.

  • The President really cleared things up for me today. Until his speech I had no idea the our expenditure of blood and treasure in Mesopotamia was the result of the North Iraqis invading South Iraq. It’s clear that no amount of money or lives would be too much to defeat Kim il Hussein and his hordes.

  • No one seriously thinks any smart, decent speechwriters are still hanging around the WH, do they? C’mon. We don’t hear about those resignations (not even late on a Friday afternoon) but there is no one left except C students, or worse. I doubt Rove or Cheney pay much attention to what Bush is about to say or vet the speeches…anymore.

  • “I’d only add that it’s odd that Bush would brag today about ‘the result’ of this conflict, given that North and South Korea are still divided, and U.S. troops have been stationed along the DMZ for a half-century.”

    And don’t forget that South Korea was a military dictatorship for decades after the war.

  • He was also oddly emphatic about the economic vibrancy of Japan and Korea, and suggested that was down to us, and the spirit of freedom we’d enlightened in their souls, or some such.

    For some reason, he failed to note the Chinese economy, which seems to be booming despite it not having been formerly occupied by us, and actually on the other side during Korea.

    I’m convinced the point of this speech was just to drive insane anyone who knows anything about 20th Century history. Especially those who remember it personally. It’s not just irrational, it’s anti-rational.

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  • Sadly, with Dubya as president, even those who DO remember the past are doomed to repeat it.

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