It’s the honesty, stupid

Tomorrow, when you sit down for your Thanksgiving meal and your crazy right-wing uncle says something like, “Well, at least I can count on Bush to tell us the truth,” you can safely say, “You’re just about the only person who thinks so.”

New poll results published by today by the Wall Street Journal show that nearly two in three Americans believe the Bush administration “generally misleads the American public on current issues to achieve its own ends.” That’s a whole lot of people who look at the White House and assume those inside are dishonest.

The partisan breakdown is just as interesting.

Q: “Do you think that the Bush administration generally provides accurate information regarding current issues or do you think they generally mislead the public on current issues to achieve its own end?”

All adults: 32% generally accurate, 64% generally misleading
Democrats: 7% generally accurate, 91% generally misleading
Independents: 25% generally accurate, 73% generally misleading
Republicans: 68% generally accurate, 28% generally misleading

There are a few ways to look at this data, but I found the Republicans’ response the most noteworthy.

This poll suggests the Republican rank-and-file have turned on Bush in fairly significant numbers. For five years, and particularly throughout the president’s first term, Bush could count on stellar support among self-identified Republicans. His approval rating from people within his party was routinely no less than 90%, no matter what the current circumstances.

And yet, as of now, more than one in four Republicans more or less assumes the administration is misleading the public about issues of national significance. The 68% of Republicans who say the information from the Bush gang is generally accurate may sound like a strong base of support, but it’s much lower than it was and far from where the president needs it to be if he’s going to recover politically.

It also underscores the inherent challenge involved with some kind of comeback. Bush and others in the White House can try and spin their way out of their current predicament, attacking their critics and pointing to their hard-to-identify “achievements,” but if a strong majority believes the information out of the administration is consistently not true, it’s going to be exceedingly difficult for Bush to build trust and convince the public to support him.

Tell that to your uncle.

How’d you know I had a wingnut uncle? Oh, I guess there’s one in every family…

  • It may be, however, that a good many Republicans think it’s perfectly all right for the administration to mislead the public on current issues if it serves the Republican agenda.

  • Damn it, Donna, I was going to say that!

    Honestly, I think there are Republican supporters who think it’s okay to lie or cheat about anything as long as the ‘Cause is Just’.

    Notably, all the Texan repubs who helped Tom Delay re-apportion the Texas congressional districts.

  • Sure, but we know that once you’ve committed yourself and gone and bought the damn Edsel, you’ll defend it to the death.

    All it would take is a Rovian move “proving” that Bush had been lied to or misled or given wrong intelligence (preferably on purpose by a CIA director who was an undercover agent for the Left). I wouldn’t put it past them.

    We’re way beyond having a president who’s an incompetent liar along with a hugely corrupt Congress. We’re into new territory, one in which so much of our infotainment is controlled that we can’t rely on people “waking up” and taking those sad facts seriously. They will be entertained by a resignation here, a court case there; they’ll be titillated by each indictment as it’s handed down. But none of this invoke a renewed sense of responsibility for the future.

    Am I influenced by Michael Massing’s latest? Sure. And I can’t tell you how many of my non-blogger friends, college graduates and/or post-graduates all, have backed away from knowing what’s going on and rely, however deprecatingly, on TV news for the small packages of “news reports” they’re willing to accept. They love to hate Bush, but they don’t want to know what’s happening or why — and have given up any thought of trying to change things.

    I’m afraid this may be the America we broke and therefore own, now and in the history written about this sad era.

  • “Honestly, I think there are Republican supporters who think it’s okay to lie or cheat about anything as long as the ‘Cause is Just’.”

    As many, many are fundie nutballs, or faith plays too large a part in their life, this is standard operating procedure. A true merging of religion and politics. The real reason why separation of church and state is important.

  • I may choke on my turkey sushi if someone says that to me regarding Bush’s integrity and honesty. What I can’t get is why it is so anathema to some partisans to admit they were deceived by a shameless powerholder? Isn’t politics in part about deception regardless of party affiliation?

    -Tokyo

  • I still don’t get the 68% approval from Repubs. Can somebody please tell me what it will take for these foolish fuckining idiots to open their fucking eyes and ears?

  • Actually, my uncle happens to be an aging hippy who considers Bush the Anti-Christ. We may have to invite a few wingnuts over to get a real conversation going . . .

  • “…more than one in four Republicans more or less assumes the administration is misleading the public about issues of national significance. The 68% of Republicans who say the information from the Bush gang is generally accurate may sound like a strong base of support, but it’s much lower than it was and far from where the president needs it to be if he’s going to recover politically….”

    You are mistaken in your conclusions. Those [still [few]] Republicans who can admit that the Party’s public discourse is dishonest remain convinced that the status quo is preferable to any likely alternative. The Party hasn’t lost a single vote. The Party propaganda machine only has to do one thing in order to retain the loyalty of the Party membership: remind them how much worse the Democrats are. All that the President has to do to “recover politically” is to keep the propaganda machine behind him.

  • I still don’t get the 68% approval from Repubs. Can somebody please tell me what it will take for these foolish fuckining idiots to open their fucking eyes and ears?

    Blowjobs.

    Now we’ll take all the difficult questions…

    So long as Bush is keeping us safe from the twin threats of fellatio at home and peace abroad, he’s aces with the rank and file of the Pasty White Guys’ Party.

  • Tax cuts trump fake wars for Republicans.

    Speaking of tax cuts, I can demonstrate how Grover Norquist inflated the income of Americans For Tax Reform by $236k or 25% in 2004. Assets were overstated by $6.5 million.

    http://auctionhouse.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/11/4/114556/020

    See the last comment.

    Grover put a $6.5 million receivable from his foundation on the books of Americans For Tax Reform that will never be paid.

    I’m working on figuring out who actually got a $650k grant from Americans For Tax Reform in 2004. Total grants paid in 2004 were only $820k so this grant was a big deal.

    The grantee is listed as “National Alliance” at 10424 Woodbury Woods in Fairfax, VA 22032. I found a William Wilson at that address but no National Alliance.

    The only reference I found to National Alliance was a neo-Nazi group with that name. I know Norquist has been accused of supporting Muslim terrorists but has anyone heard of him being linked up with neo-Nazis?

    Happy Thanksgiving!

  • Its amazing to me how you guys bitch and whine about how Bush has misled us. Gee, wake up and smell the history. Just about every President from Lincoln has lied to us. Either for the good of the nation or not.
    Give me one in the last 70 years who was totally honest and up front and never lied about something. Truman maybe.

  • Perhaps, Realist. But it is undoubtedly true that this president has carried it to new heights. Suppressing science if it doesn’t fit his political agenda is the one that particularly irks me.

  • Hi
    Just a heads up! Many of you may already be well aware that lots of blogs on the internet are biased; but, the ones that alter comments without editorial footnotes or are dishonest in their attributions are especially nasty. Such a blog site is the following:

    http://www.brothersjudd.com/blog/

    I can personally atest to the dishonest nature of the Brothers Judd site.

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