It’s the stupidity, stupid

Late last week, at a White House press conference, a reporter asked the president to respond to an inconvenient reality: the war in Iraq has made al Qaeda stronger and make counter-terrorism efforts more difficult. Bush offered a long, meandering answer that was largely incoherent, made very little sense, and avoided the subject altogether.

I argued that Bush’s response was “dangerously dumb,” and had the sophistication of “having a foreign policy argument with a six-year-old.”

In response, James Joyner, a conservative whose intellect I respect, suggested that I was confused.

The problem here is confusing verbal skill and intelligence. It’s probably true that most people who are glib and able to think quickly on their feet are bright. Plenty of highly intelligent people, though, lack that facility.

That Bush has above average IQ is well documented. His SAT score of 1206 put him well above the 90th percentile and ahead of his 2004 rival John Kerry (although behind 2000 opponent Al Gore). He graduated from Yale. Made it through flight school. Got his MBA from Harvard. Has a legendary memory for personal details and baseball stats. He’s not, by any means, a dumb guy.

What he seems to lack is a strong intellectual curiosity. He lacks both a wonk’s passion for policy details and an ideologue’s passion for debating ideas. He’s also too resistant, for my taste anyway, to ideas that challenge his preconceptions.

I’m hesitant to delve too deeply into a discussion on the president’s intellectual prowess — the debate is already well-tread and I suspect every American has already come to his or her own conclusion about whether Bush is a smart man (or, at least, smart enough to be a capable president).

That said, and at the risk of appearing overly sensitive, I thought I’d take a moment to consider Joyner’s argument in more detail.

Joyner concedes that Bush’s rhetorical skills are lacking, but believes intelligent people can be awful public speakers. I absolutely agree. My “dangerously dumb” comment, however, wasn’t directed at the president’s frequent trouble with subject-verb agreement, but rather the substance of his explanation. He was asked about his policies’ beneficial impact on al Qaeda, a subject with which he should be familiar. Bush had nothing to offer — he even questioned the priorities of the reporter who dared to ask the question in the first place.

In truth, there probably is some kind of coherent conservative response to the question. Indeed, I suspect Joyner himself could have come up with something relatively persuasive if asked. But the point is that the president can’t even defend his own ideas — his press conferences are a series of sound-bites and errors of fact. His comments reflect a man who appears to have no idea what he’s doing.

More specifically, Joyner touts Bush’s IQ and SAT scores. Sidestepping, for a moment, the validity of these tests, IQ and SAT scores tend to measure (or, at least, are intended to measure) a person’s capacity for learning. There’s no evidence, however, that Bush has ever tried to better himself intellectually. He doesn’t read, he didn’t care for school, and to this day, he openly mocks the well-educated, probably as a defense mechanism for his own limitations. Bush received an Ivy-League education, but by all appearances, he barely got by, and was only able to succeed because of his family name.

By pointing to the results of tests usually given to children and teenagers, Joyner practically proves my point for me. Indeed, Joyner himself describes the president as lacking “intellectual curiosity,” disregarding details, and showing a resistance to ideas. I agree wholeheartedly.

But the resulting picture hardly works in the president’s favor. We’re left with a man who doesn’t appear to be smart, doesn’t care about being smart, doesn’t impress anyone as being smart, does not make smart decisions, and generally shows disdain for those who he considers smart.

Does this make the president “dangerously dumb”? The Carpetbagger reports, you decide.

The man talks with god, doncha know. In fact god apparently also talks to him, or so he claims. Either way he’s a raving lunatic. By the way, can anyone out there tell me if it’s true that Bush said, “God told me to invade Iraq.” I read that in “The God Delusion.”
If it is true, we are all in deep do do. This maniac has his hand on the nuclear trigger–that is, unless Cheney has snatched it from him.

  • What he seems to lack is a strong intellectual curiosity. He lacks both a wonk’s passion for policy details and an ideologue’s passion for debating ideas. He’s also too resistant, for my taste anyway, to ideas that challenge his preconceptions.

    Leaders need to be intellectually curious — it helps them come up with new ideas and processes.

    Leaders need to know the details — maybe not the minutia, but enough to understand what the holy hell is happening.

    Leaders need to be able to debate an idea — an idea is better explained when one must defend it. As a bonus, flaws may arise that one can correct.

    Leaders should encourage challenges to their ideas/thoughts — being a leader doesn’t make a person infallible, nor right all the time. Again, challenges help ensure an idea/thought is sound and should be welcomed.

    Whether or not Bush is a bumbling doofus is irrelevant — when one looks at the traits of great (or even mildly effective) leaders, he possess absolutely NONE of them.

  • God is a foreign policy wonk. I think it’s funny that bright conservatives like your friend have to bend themselve out of shape to defend this dumb president. It’s like the person who doesn’t read isn’t any better off than the person who can’t read. Just substitute think.

  • Bush’s apparent lack of curiousity and ‘I can have a beer with him’ persona is designed to appeal to exactly that miniscule subset of Americana who support him.

    The fact that they DO support this nincompoop is exactly>/i> a result of their own state of being, namely people who don’t appear to be smart, don’t care about being smart, don’t impress anyone as being smart, do not make smart decisions, and (who) generally show disdain for those (they) consider smart. He’s ‘one of them.’

  • What he seems to lack is a strong intellectual curiosity.
    What? I’m shocked! Didn’t his girlfriend Condi site that as one of the reasons she so adores him?

  • If God ever spoke directly to George W. Bush, it would be in the form of a lightning bolt nailing him on his mountain bike.

  • What do you mean Bush doesn’t read??? It’s been very well publicized that Bush is a voracious reader who reads several hefty tomes each week – remember he spent last summer reading “The Stranger” and all those Shakespeares and that Teddy Roosevelt biography? And I think that was just in one week in between clearing brush at the ranch…

  • “having a foreign policy argument with a six-year-old.”

    Most six year olds are highly curious and imaginative!
    .
    George strikes me more like one of those early artificial intelligence computer programs that cut and paste the words of a question to create the illusion of a thoughtful response.

    I put my money on cognitive damage from drugs/alcohol impacted brain cells, and the denial that goes with being an untreated addict..

  • Joyner is just being an apologist by trotting out the same old tired excuses for a President he still backs. That’s not all that intellectually respectable, IMNSHO.

  • Mr. Joyner sounds somewhat like a used vacuum cleaner salesman when he describes the “intelligence” of the Usurper-In-Chief. The American public should really demand a higher standard from our leaders.

  • But the resulting picture hardly works in the president’s favor. We’re left with a man who doesn’t appear to be smart, doesn’t care about being smart, doesn’t impress anyone as being smart, does not make smart decisions, and generally shows disdain for those who he considers smart.

    Does this make the president “dangerously dumb”? The Carpetbagger reports, you decide.

    Using economny of effort, there is a one-word replacement for all of this to describe what Georgie-boy is:

    Moron.

    Actually there’s two: fucking moron.

  • There are plenty of smart people in the world who fail miserably at the art of communication; native intelligence is an indication of capability, but no guarantee that anything a person says or does will measure up to that level.

    Bush is clearly one of those people – mediocrity has been his calling card since he was a kid. His parents probably heard the dreaded, “George is not living up to his potential – if he worked harder, he would be doing better” at more than one parent-teacher conference.

    He failed at every business he got involved in. He almost failed at marriage. He loses interest pretty quickly, and once he does, it’s over. He’ cares about the sale, but once he closes it, that’s it for him. It’s on to the next sale and he never thinks about whether the product he sold works as he said it would, if it ends up costing more than he said, or whether the customer is happy. What’s the point of that, when you can move on to the next sale?

    And, sadly, he’s a salesman who only want to pitch to people who are going to catch – he’s not interested in working really, really hard to sell those who are skeptical or suspicious or doubting – he only want to sell to people who are predisposed to buy. He ends up thinking he’s a great salesman, because he so seldom hears, “No.”

    He’s like that with the people who advise him and the people he speaks to out in the country. Bush doesn’t hire people to challenge him, to make sure his thinking is in line, or his arguments are solid – he wants an echo chamber, where all he ever hears is praise and agreement. Same thing at “events.” Doesn’t want to speak to the Americans who disagree with him – he wants to bask in the glow of total and unconditional love.

    It’s not that he’s stupid, it’s that he’s desperately damaged psychologically and his psycho-drama is being played out from a position where he has the power to determine whether people live or die.

  • kali @ 10…

    Texans eat a lot of fried food and red meat.
    Could all that cholesterol be giving him strokes too?

    Just trying to lend support to my commander in chief here.

  • The problem here is confusing verbal skill and intelligence. It’s probably true that most people who are glib and able to think quickly on their feet are bright. Plenty of highly intelligent people, though, lack that facility.

    This is indisputably true. I know and have known numerous bright inarticulate people. If Bush is bright, then it must manifest itself in some fashion; it could be in his decisions, in his writings, or in some other fashion. Decades old SAT scores don’t cut it as evidence. To what contemporary evidence can his defenders point?

  • The reason Bush feels so comfortable in the South is its tradition of good ol’ boys, all of whom would rather mama or a substitute mama take care of them. That passivity is what I see in Bush. Passive in our culture is feminine. I think his way of denying that he is passive is to jump into action and to pretend to enjoy manly activities.

  • It’s the Conservative mind, Stupid.

    There is a reason why Conservatives feel the need to recast Wikipedia, YouTube, and Nature Museums in their own image:
    They suffer the disease of Certainty.

    The true believers among them can’t even see –or acknowledge– years of failure in Iraq.
    For them:
    Things are going swimmingly.
    We are actually winning.
    We are doing a heck-of-a-job over there.
    Any dissent from that is treated as treason.

    Bush has a bad case of Conservative brain disease.
    He demands total Loyalty.
    He can’t even IMAGINE an alternative reality.

    But it is even worse:
    Bush has a mean streak inside him a mile wide.
    He suffers from an affinity for torture.

    Ergo, Bush’s IQ is totally irrelevant.
    In WWII, people with high IQ’s routinely put humans in ovens.
    IQ is the smallest mismeasure of a man.

    What matters is this:
    A willfulness to torture and a disdain for dissent.

    Put those two together and what do you have?
    Worst President ever?
    Hardly.
    How about:
    A Perp who is a Punk who happens to be President.
    His vileness knows no bounds…

  • Bush probably paid someone to take his SAT tests. I know he was rejected from the U of Texas (and tried to cut their funding as payback when gov). He did not make it through flight school. He was a legacy at both Yale and Harvard Business School. For God’s sake, doesn’t his “defender” remember his frightening performance during the first debate with Kerrey? I cast my vote with the dumb-as-a-rock, brain-damaged school of thought.

  • Tom – (Re #13)
    You are giving him too much credit. Powerful men many times have large appetites for many things. Commander Codpiece loves to dress up, but does he ever show any interest in women (aside from the occasional inappropriate shoulder massage)?
    No.
    So, rather than assume that he has any interest associated with the f-bomb (don’t mention Jeff Gannon), I would suggest a hyphenated 3 word combination:
    Shit-for-brains.

  • Have I missed something? Where in the f–k are the documents proving that Shrub has a high IQ or SAT score? He has acknowledged he was a “C” student in college even with the Bush name to grease the rails. Andy Rooney of 60 Minutes, did not give his source before the 2004 election when he said Shrub has an IQ of 81, Shrub Senior has an IQ of 89 and Clinton’s IQ is in the 150’s. So now since Shrub has mastered reading a speech into a recorder, which is then played back to him through his “hearing aid”, we are supposed to believe Shrub is intelligent and articulate. Woodward documented Shrub’s disdain for “deep thinkers” and it was pretty clear before the 2000 election that the Bush misadministration planned to outsource the thinking part of this presidency. Apparently, they laid off whoever was responsible for thinking in the oval office or maybe he was shipped off to Iraq. Serious question: Can someone provide a link to Shrub’s SAT or IQ scores so this issue can be laid to rest?

  • I hate to nitpick, but the vast majority of IQ tests, and most assuredly the SATs, test general knowledge, not *capacity*. And the tests are most assuredly class, culture, and even gender biased.

    That is why African American children adopted into white households average roughly 20-30% higher on standardized test scores than their peers. I always thought that one of the great ironies of the hateful, pseudo science, “Bell Curve” was that it brought this statistic up to justify a eugenics inspired social policy recommendation, without noting that the single statistic itself wholly undermines the central theme of the book.

    IE, children from a pool with higher instance of prenatal drug abuse, etc., placed in and extremely trying social structure (no one hides that you are adopted when you have a different skin color), still manage to bring the ‘gap’ on which the book is based to within the margin of error for statistical deviation.

    Funnier, they never took their own hate minded argument to its logical conclussion. They stopped at breaking up black familes and did not go a step further – breeding their wives and daughters with American Asian males – since Asians have an even bigger score gap in math and the hard sciences…

    On the central point, I have to begrudgingly agree with the winger – Bush quite likely isn’t an idiot in the cognitive capacity sense. He is, as Joyner put more delicately, a lazy, pouting, douchbag which is, I think, much worse. One does not have to be smart to be a good and worthwhile person, but it is always a tragedy when someone who has been given every possible advantage in life chooses to be an utter waste of good protoplasm.

    -jjf

  • Could it be that an incoherent dimwit is exactly what these NeoNazisConservatives want sitting in the White House, keeping the masses irritated and bamboozled while they secure their hold on the levers of power. Could it be?

  • How did W get an SAT score of 1206? Or “Anything-06?” Individual SAT scores have been reported in multiples of 10 as long as I can remember. Perhaps the College Board changed the scoring system just before I took the SATs, but unless that happened, any supposed score that isn’t a “ten” is horse manure.

  • CB has been right all along. What are we to believe some number from some tests or our lying eyes, ears and minds?

    If W has the capacity to be smart, good for him. That he chose instead to pickle his brain for years and then give up his cognitive processes for faith and “gut” shows he’s thrown that capacity away.

    Then there’s Emotional Intelligence. Though this is a fuzzy concept at best and not very quantifiable, I think most can agree with Potter Stewart that we know an emotionally immature, uncapable and unknowing person when we see him in the form of George W. Bush.

    The best James Joyner seems to be able to prove is that W may be an idiot savant on his good days. Woe is us.

  • Dear CB, one answer you are looking for is contained in your observation –

    “But the point is that the president can’t even defend his own ideas — his press conferences are a series of sound-bites and errors of fact. His comments reflect a man who appears to have no idea what he’s doing.”

    Bush’s inability to defend his own ideas is just that – they are indefensible – and his comments are jumbled exactly to cover such indefensibility. Let’s face it some harmonic convergence is happening now through disclosure that the minion Foley in essence told his underlings to fudge the pre-Iraq invasion intelligence to justify the invasion. So now Bush can’t even rely on past circumstances to justify current events.

    Bush has no where to go rhetorically except to the fairyland-think of justification at all costs. We are witnessing a tragic comedy play itself out right in front of us, too bad it has such terminal consequences! -Kevo

  • If you consistently do and say stupid things, and take pride in your intention to continue doing and saying stupid things, one might reasonably conclude you’re stupid. That doesn’t necessarily explain the arrogance, self-righteous moral certitude despite lack of integrity, and downright mean streak Dubya displays.

    Personally, I don’t think Bush is stupid; I think he’s a psychopath.

  • I think you ignore a very real point.
    Bush talks like one who has been on medication for a prolonged period of time. Addiction and alcoholism can have a profound effect on how a person thinks and communicates over time. Having seen this phenomena over and over again it becomes easy to recognize. Compare Bush’s rhetoric and manner of speaking when he ran for Governor of Texas to President Bush and a steady progression becomes obvious. Sentences and thoughts become fragmented and the train of thought wanders as if one forgets what ones is trying to say as one is saying it.
    A drug is a drug is a drug is a drug means that if one once had a problem with alcohol then one would have a problem with any medication which causes mood change, especially pain medication and anti-anxiety medications, especially over a prolonged period of time. Looking at Bush answer questions then and now this becomes a very real explanation.
    He’s still an authoritarian without a conscience who is self absorbed with his own ego who sets himself above the law and a war profiteer, easily manipulated who uses fear to extort our freedoms.

  • After eight years of Clintonista Policy-Wonkiness a plurality of American voters wanted…
    … four more years of Policy-Wonkiness (even worse, Gorish PW).

    It just goes to show how f**ked up our system of Government is that we ended up with the Texas Oil Mafia’s candidate instead.

  • Leaders do not “have to be” intellectually curious, but they MUST be able to seperate reality from what they would like it to be. They must be able to check themselves, their premises, their prejudices with a good dose of reality check and change course.

    How useful is the ship of state, if the rudder is stuck only going straight ahead?

    I liked the idea of rent control, on its’ face, with its’ intention of stopping “price gauging”, but had to face the reality that it doesn’t DO what it is meant to do in real life. It’s a good thought, but ineffectual.

  • The ability to take tests well does not mean you are intelligent, it just means you can take tests well. I’ve never been one to take tests well.

    I’ve always been sceptical of the A student, I saw many of them in college, bound for graduate school who hadn’t a lick of common sense. Meanwhile, I, the solid C-student, as studies have shown, are the ones going out and actually doing the business of the world.

    Not that I am proud to be in a class with our President, the ultimate C-student MBA. The point is, the guy is what he made himself, which is NOTHING. His family and its supporters made him. Where it not for the silver spoon in his mouth, imagine what he would be?

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