John Kerry has some unfinished business

The [tag]New York Times[/tag] ran an item over the weekend about [tag]John Kerry[/tag] and his ongoing effort to debunk the lies spread by the [tag]Swiftboat[/tag] hacks, many of whom are still running around disseminating their nonsense. The Times noted that, as time has elapsed, Kerry has become more emerged in the fight against the group’s smear and has introduced additional evidence that further proves that he was telling the truth all along.

The Times article, however, makes one frustrating observation.

Naval records and accounts from other sailors contradicted almost every claim they made, and some members of the group who had earlier praised Mr. Kerry’s heroism contradicted themselves.

Still, the charges stuck. At a triumphant gathering of veterans in Fort Worth after the election, Mr. O’Neill was introduced as the man who “torpedoed” Mr. Kerry’s campaign; the Swift boat group spent more than $130,000 for a “Mission Accomplished” celebration at Disney World. The president’s brother, Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida, sent a letter thanking the “Swifties” for “their willingness to stand up to John Kerry.” (emphasis added)

These dishonest clowns smeared a war hero with vicious, demonstrable [tag]lies[/tag], to the delight of the Republican establishment. But what does that mean, “the charges stuck”? It’s an oddly passive phrase.

The lies against Kerry didn’t “stick” independently, as if in some kind of political vacuum; they became an issue because news outlets covering the campaign took a “he said, she said” attitude about the lies, without concern for their veracity. As Greg Sargent put it:

To the extent that the Swift Boat Liars were effective — and that’s in dispute — it wasn’t just because of their spending on ads. It was because the media amplified those charges for days and days, if not weeks, without examining them critically. When the press did get around to debunking the charges whatever damage there was had already been done. The media tried to shift blame for this to Kerry by arguing that he’d failed to respond aggressively. But here’s the point: The press shouldn’t have had to wait for Kerry to start hitting back before it started to report critically on what the [tag]Swift Boat[/tag] [tag]Liars[/tag] were saying. The simple fact that the media was amplifying the charges should alone have obligated them to take a critical look at them — immediately.

Quite right. The Swiftboat debacle was a failure on multiple levels, but for the NYT to look back and state plainly that “the charges stuck” to [tag]Kerry[/tag], as if outlets like the Times weren’t partially to blame for the resonance of the attacks, is to only tell half the story.

Two big stories in 2004 that I’m convinced put Bush back into the White House: The Swiftboating of John Kerry, and the torpedoing of Dan Rather for exposing Bush’s guard duty fraud.
Interesting that Rather got fired for citing a document of dubious authenticity, which was only part of the evidence, yet the Swiftboaters suffered no consequences for libeling Kerry. Indeed, they’re still cheered as heroes for throttling Kerry’s presidential run.

It’s also interesting that the phony allegations against Kerry are alive and well, but the true charges against Bush are dead in the water. Indeed, I don’t think anyone to this day has determined if the Rather document was forged or not. The
mere accusation was enough to kill the whole story.

Chilling. We are up against something much more sinister and powerful than we imagine.

  • Ultimately, Kerry had so many opportunities to rebuff them during the campaign. All he’d have to say is something like:

    I understand that there are still some veterans who are still upset at my post-service actions to put and end to the war in Vietnam. That is an issue on which we can have honest disagreement. However, the men who are spreading falsehoods about my service are crossing a line, leaving honest argument behind and engaging in smear. It is sad, pathetic, and undignified, a tiny echo of the way that that war divided America.

    The key is to belittle the liars without saying or implying that he doesn’t understand where it comes from. Remind the public where the rage of the Swift Boat Liars comes from, respect that rage, but say that lying is not a reasonable method for public discourse.

    It’s possible to respond to this kind of smear without dignifying it.

  • I remember reading about the Swifties’ charges on right-wing websites as early as the spring of 2004. The media should have started critically examining their charges right away, esp during the long lull between Kerry’s de facto clinching of the nomination and the Dem convention in early August. And Kerry should have been preparing a response to these lunatics once they went mass-market, which everyone could see they were about to. So I hold both the media and the Kerry campaign as unforgivably negligent in this.

  • The context for interpreting the Kerry smears should go deeper.

    It is not just Kerry.
    It is not just Gore.
    It is not just Clinton.
    It is not just Carter.
    It is not just Roosevelt.

    Republican hate is the hate that keeps on hating.

    Crikey.
    You can STILL find scores of Republicans who gleefully call FDR an evil communist.

    Think about the deeper meaning of all this:

    Republicans have primitive tribal personalities.

    And like it or not… this primitive passion of theirs is also their strength. There really aren’t a whole lot of Democrats walking around still smearing Ike or Ronny or Bush pere.

    You can take away three things from my analysis:

    1) Kerry is going to be dogged by swiftboating even after he is dead…

    2) The 2008 Dem candidate must be as clean as possible of “latch points” for Republican hate.

    3) Any future Dem candidate must respond immediately and passionately to Republican hate-smear campaigns. There can be no let up in one’s self defense…ever. Because the charges will never go away. They will follow you to the grave. You must be ready to fight with an equivalent passion… forever.

  • All junkies, drunks and criminals use the passive voice when speaking of their acts of omission and commission, like the 3-year old who looks up at mommy and says, “the dish fell.”

    If the New York Times and the Washington Post – two papers who proudly acted to save America 35 years ago – want to know who’s responsible for the state of affairs we find ourselves in today, they need only look in the mirror.

    But junkies and drunks hate doing that, hate admitting the way they’ve trashed their life and the lives of everyone they’ve touched.

  • Anybody who has the audacity to criticize a Veteran’s medals outside of official channels is un-American, and that fact should be spread loud and clear (those pathetic idiots at the Republican convention who wore ‘purple heart’ medals out to be dragged out, and, well…).

    Legitimate queries can be directed to the Service where the veteran served. Once they have determined (As, in Kerry’s case, they did) that the medals were justified, then there is no more friggin’ debate to be had.

  • “…as if outlets like the Times weren’t partially to blame for the resonance of the attacks…”

    Actually, outlets like the Times aren’t “partially” to blame—they’re “completely” to blame for this. Dan Rather was “invited” to resign his position with CBS over the Bush TANG rubbish, and several other individuals at CBS were summarily dismissed without so much as a reasonable notice to clear out the desk-drawers. The pity of it is that—when the same thing happens all over again, it’s the smear-victim’s fault. What’s worse is that the perpetrators got themselves a “mission-accomplished” party at Disney World (which really doesn’t encourage me to take my children to Florida anytime soon).

    Sadly, the MoronStreamMedia won’t demonstrate the courage to stand up and admit that the Swiftboating of John Kerry was “their” fault. They saddles up to the Swifties and “sucked it all in,” never once bothering to check the source. So, I guess folks now know the answer to the question: Does the Times and their ilk “spit” or “swallow?”

  • BC

    Kerry is unequivocally taking responsibility for this mess. Read the NYT article:

    He was caught off guard, he says; he had been prepared to defend his antiwar activism, but he did not believe that anyone would challenge the facts behind his military awards. “We should have put more money behind it,” Mr. Kerry says now. “I take responsibility for it; it was my mistake.”

    Couldn’t be clearer.

    This is certainly rear-guard action but Kerry is doing the right thing here. He has the opportunity to those guys out of commission, one by one, methodically, by refuting every single one of their points. At least, the media won’t be able to give those “veterans” a tribune in good faith anymore, whether to smear Kerry or any other Dem veteran. Good work.

    Now, what I would like to see is some actual retribution against the Swiftboating Liars, whether by way of justice [Any actionable libel there? Probably not ] or personal destruction. I don’t think Kerry has anything like that in mind but if he has the opportunity, he should not hesitate to FUBAR the personal lives of a couple of those guys. To make them pay what they did ‘til their very last days in this world. It would be a good lesson for future Republican Swiftboating wannabees.

  • I’m glad Kerry is still debunking the Swifties. It gives me hope that when the Democrats take over they’ll do a little retroactive retribution on the Republican excesses. Probably not though.

  • Oh and good title for this post. John Kerry has some unfinished business. It reminds me of Uma Thurman’s refrain in Kill Bill. “You and I have unfinished business.”

    “You ain’t kiddin’ baby.” Bill.

  • I agree with the notion that the Dems ought to have been more suspicious of their opponents and better prepared to fight back. But we’re missing the larger picture here. If we have something positive to offer (and I believe we do if we’d quit triangulating) we can charge ahead into the future and let the “nattering nabobs of negativism” (to coin a phrase) choke on their own poison.

    Many people hated FDR and Harry Truman and JFK. They just went on proposing a new and better America … and winning elections. I’m highly critical of Bill Clinton (ever since his first defensive move, DADT, and subsquent triangulating), but he wasn’t known as the “comeback kid” for nothing; he did build a better America.

    Contrast that with Carter’s just sitting there during nightly news reminders of how many days the hostages were being held,. Or Gore’s caving to fashion consultants or whether to sigh or not during debates. Or Kerry’s apparent willingness to be swift-boated. Recent Democratic candidates have allowed such distractions to become the focal topic of political discussion while not offering anything more positive, more compelling to most Americans, as a counter-force.

    We should quit worrying so much about appearances and “framing” (a word I’ve come to dispise as a yet another distraction). Keep it simple and don’t try to merely match the GOP at every point. Offer Americans a better health care system. Front load the federal government to favor the Working People of this country. The votes will be there. Damn the GOP and full speed ahead.

  • I was really surprised, however, by both the Gore and Kerry campaigns and how they were (and Kerry now admits) underprepared for the nastiness and how to respond to it, and ultimately responded too meekly.

    Why I find this hard to forgive is that the successful playbook was out there to be learned from. Clinton had much more baggage than either Gore or Kerry, yet fended off attacks much better. Carville and Begala had one simple rule: hit back twice as hard, within the same news cycle.

    That really is the only way to deal with bullying Rethugs. And after Clinton did it so well, I can’t understand why that wouldn’t be the standard operating procedure for all Dem campaigns. Instead, we go back to the Dukakis-like “higher road” only to have a Dukakis-like outcome.

  • When the Rovian Fox propaganda machine revs up a fresh batch of vile spew, the Dems should not be caught flat footed.
    Blitzkriegs and Pearl Harbor attacks were effective only because of the element of surprise.

    Dems must be prepared not helplessly stunned in shocked surprise when the Repubs flip them a turd.
    At first wiff of stench, sound the alarm, “Incoming slimeball”.
    Don the protective suits.
    And have the haz-mat team waiting to decontaminate,
    and the Psych Ops team ready to retaliate.

    Our opponents are immoral terrorists who will certainly use unthinkable political weapons of mass destruction, because that is all they have left to use.

  • Zeitgeist–you hit it square on the head. The trouble with Dems–and why the Rethugs always win and will continue to win–is that the feckless Dems are always surprised and hurt and re-double their efforts not to stoop to the Rethugs level. This will no doubt be our curse next time and forever more as we take the high road to inelectability. I’m with those who say hit back twice as hard in the same news cycle. And I’m with those who say, pursue the lying bastards, like a Rethug would, unto the grave. That is only way to stop this bullshit.

    As for the press, if the Dems get in (unlikely) that should undoubtedly (though they NEVER will) dismantle these media corporations like Murdochs as unAmerican cornering the market on the news our citizens receive. Threaten the likes of Murdoch with consequences like that and we’ll see the reinstitution of the fairness doctrine in a heartbeat. Because the Dems are incurable wusses and high roaders, the country is being destroyed. Kerry fighting the Swiftboaters long after the election is a sad commentary on what Dems learned (or as usual didn’t) from their last failure. Pathetic. Karl must be laughing until beer comes out of his nose.

  • The problem is Kerry is a goddamn liar. He promised to completely open his military records (I don’t have the link, but I’m quite sure he promised during an interview) then went back on it. If he had nothing to hide, he should have signed the release form to allow inspection by anyone who cares. Signing it now is a day late and a dollar short.

    He either had something to hide or is terminally stupid.

    Earl

  • I for one am sdick of hearing that “Kerry didn’t fight back” crap. It’s flat-out not true, and if you actually bothered to read the Carpetbagger’s post as well as the Greg Sargent post he quoted, you’d know that to be the case.

    Here’s another story, from the Washington Times, no less, talking about how hard Kerry did hit back. The MoronStreamMedia (thanks, Steve) just chose to play a different game.

    And Earl, fyi, Kerry released all his records ages ago. You should check your facts before you go calling other people stupid.

  • Strategically, there is absolutely nothing to be gained by Kerry continuing to “fight back”. As a public person, he really has no way to hurt the Swiftboat liars like this. He can’t sue them for crippling monetary damages like Morris Dees can the white racist groups. Kerry is only serving to keep this disgusting story alive, to no avail, as the average American will not follow what is yesterday’s news. He’s inadvertently legitimizing this approach to smearing your opponent.

    Do you think George Bush will ever bring up and defend any of his dismal moments up again? Why can’t the Dems learn anything? Why are they always reacting and defending instead of on the offensive? Kerry is only giving guys like Earl another shot at defamation. And the more a lie is repeated in this world, the truer it is.

    I know we’re all too high minded to take a leaf from Karl’s playbook, so we’ll continue to live in fear, play nice and lose. But Kerry and the Dems should find a surreptitious way of badly wounding those Swiftliars. This is the only language Rethugs can understand and the only deterrent. Then, ultimately, the best revenge will be to be ready next time, and mercilessly and personally fight it right when it happens.

  • I’m with you, Diane. Kerry did most of the right things and it just didn’t get reported in the media. I’ve seen many statements he made that just never got into the news. Lots of media failure.

  • The 2008 Dem candidate must be as clean as possible of “latch points” for Republican hate.

    Koreyel, the Republicans don’t need latch points for their hate. They’re perfectly willing and able to make up whatever slime they need. Trying to avoid their tactic by finding an impeccably clean candidate is a fool’s errand, because in this media environment fake stories can be built up into “controversies” for any candidate.

  • Or Gore’s caving to fashion consultants or whether to sigh or not during debates.

    Gore isn’t Berlusconi, even now that he’s trying to get into the media business. If the media decide to run ridiculous stories about fashion consultants and sighing (stories you apparently bought into), that’s a problem with the media. Do you think Bush didn’t have consultants, or odd debating behavior?

    I don’t know the solution to the media problem, but hoping that they’ll see the error of their ways and cut it out if only we have the perfect candidate is not it.

  • I think KCinDC makes a good point.

    Maybe a “clean” candiadate just doesn’t have the expertise to have fought smear campaigns before. I think every presidential campaign organization has to be a media machine. Clinton’s was an example of responding to smears and Bush/Rove’s is an example of smearing.

    Politics is not a gentleman’s sport.

  • Diane,

    Get a clue and get some information. Kerry posted selected excerpts of his military record — he (1) on a talk show promised to sign an open release and (2) immediately went back on his word. Making him, yes, a liar and giving anyone with any intelligence the strong impression that he had something to hide.

    Posting hand selected excerpts of his military jacket sourced from his own campaign website is just a trifle different than an open release.

    I stand by my earlier post.

  • Ah, what would the wing-nuts do without their anger, rudeness and irrational certainty. Limbaugh probably forgot to mention that Kerry released his records. They probably forgot to post it on the Swiftboat website–despite their strict fairness doctrine there.

  • For the past few days I’ve read numerous stories about the media’s responsibility for inflicting this horrendous administration upon us. I’ve seen more than enough proof to know this is absolutely true. So as we gear up for November, what are we going to do about it? Will calls, letters and emails to news organizations (local to network) make a difference? Will calls, letters and emails to candidates (Fight back!) make a difference? I’m ready to do something about this but I’m not quite sure what that may be!

  • Do any of you know how to use Google? From the Boston Globe:

    Senator John F. Kerry, ending at least two years of refusal, has waived privacy restrictions and authorized the release of his full military and medical records.

  • Earl,

    Get a clue yourself.

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/kerry_allows_navy_release_of_military_medical_records/

    Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records
    Show numerous commendations

    By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005

    WASHINGTON — Senator John F. Kerry, ending at least two years of refusal, has waived privacy restrictions and authorized the release of his full military and medical records.

    The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe, are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004 campaign for president, including numerous commendations from commanding officers who later criticized Kerry’s Vietnam service.

    The lack of any substantive new material about Kerry’s military career in the documents raises the question of why Kerry refused for so long to waive privacy restrictions. An earlier release of the full record might have helped his campaign because it contains a number of reports lauding his service. Indeed, one of the first actions of the group that came to be known as Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was to call on Kerry to sign a privacy waiver and release all of his military and medical records.

    But Kerry refused, even though it turned out that the records included commendations from some of the same veterans who were criticizing him.

    On May 20, Kerry signed a document called Standard Form 180, authorizing the Navy to send an “undeleted” copy of his “complete military service record and medical record” to the Globe. Asked why he delayed signing the form for so long, Kerry said in a written response: “The call for me to sign a 180 form came from the same partisan operatives who were lying about my record on a daily basis on the Web and in the right-wing media. Even though the media was discrediting them, they continued to lie. I felt strongly that we shouldn’t kowtow to them and their attempts to drag their lies out.”

    Many of the records contain praise for Kerry’s service. For example, the documents quote Kerry’s former commanding officers as saying he is “one of the finest young officers with whom I have served;” is “the acknowledged leader of his peer group;” and is “highly recommended for promotion.” […]

    …The file does not provide new documents about various combat actions. It contains mostly a repetition of Kerry’s citations for the Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts. For example, it does not include the combat “after action reports” that detail what happened in some of the firefights in which Kerry participated. Those reports are available for public inspection at the Navy historical center in Washington and have already been widely disseminated…

    You have every right to any opinion of Kerry you choose to hold, no matter how ill-informed, but you can’t lie and get away with it. Too many lies have been allowed to stand. No more.

  • Kiss my ass Dale — I’m a Democrat who held my nose and voted for Kerry. But that doesn’t excuse him playing amateur hour — if you promise to release the records, then do it. Everything I wrote is (gasp) 100% factual. But good job imitating Limbaugh and attempting to discredit me because the truth is inconvenient for you.

  • Wow Diane — and can you read? Guess what the date is? Oh wow, would that *almost* be like after the election? You know, that thingy in 2004?

  • I can see you’re not one for rational thought, Earl, and I have other things to do than try to persuade you to open your eyes to the truth.

    But the “support” of “democrats” like you who are willing – and eager – to buy into the talking points propagated by Rove and his Swiftie minions made the mountain Kerry had to climb twice as high as it needed to be.

    I’ve been listening to the whining of such self-described “democrats” online since the election, throwing the blame on Kerry for everything, bitching about how they all held their noses to vote for Kerry, and I’ve had it. Kerry is not a liar – he is a good and honest man, and if you can’t see that it’s your loss. But stop helping Rove spread his lies.

    If you really are a democrat you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

  • *BEFORE* the election — you know, when it made a difference — Kerry lied about opening his full military record. Who cares at all what he did after the election? The article you posted absolutely supports my contention.

    You can’t seriously be this stupid, can you Diane? Election. 2004. Opens record. 2005. After the election, nothing Kerry did matters. When it counted, no open record. It’s that simple: when people went to the polls, Kerry was still stonewalling. For the love of god, read what you pasted.

    But go on whining and countering the Swift Boat people now. Because, you know, it does a hell of a lot of good. Remind me: who wakes up in the White House each morning? Ain’t Kerry.

  • Earl –

    The assertion in your original post (“signing it now is a day late and a dollar short”) is crystal clear to those of us whose eyes aren’t blinded by RNC lies – you incorrectly asserted that Senator Kerry had not yet signed the 180 form releasing access to his full military record.

    Now – are you gonna be an adult about this and admit you were wrong ? Or a good little neo-Con and try to lie about what you wrote and what you meant ?

  • You folks keep whining about the media you’d LIKE to have rather than just deal with the media you HAVE. If the game is “he said, she said” then it was up to Kerry to speak up and hit back hard. You can’t blame this on the media – you’re wasting time grumbling about a media that you don’t have. You know the game – PLAY IT!…thekeez

  • Jeff, the problem is we don’t know the game. The media playing field is tilted quite sharply against our side, and it doesn’t matter what our message is if the public never hears it through the media’s constant babbling about how Democrats are fake and Republicans are authentic and their various other favorite themes — themes into which any candidate we pick can be fitted, no matter how macho.

    It’s not about a difference between Bush and Gore — it’s about a difference between the media’s treatment of Bush and Gore. As I said, I don’t have the solution to that, but the answer isn’t as simple as “speaking up”.

  • The whole Democratic Party still has unfinished business with those guys. The way it is now, veterans can expect that any service they’ve performed or any medal they’ve won to be targetted, and that the DNC won’t do anything about it.

    Politically, I was disappointed about how weakly Kerry and company attacked those guys. Being on the defensive from something so amatuerish made him look weak when we needed a leader to destroy al Qaeda.

  • No, Jim, I’ll apologize for assuming you would read my first post and consider it in context of the original post, but frankly I don’t give a damn what Kerry did after the election. I mean, great, he released his records.

    But try thinking about this. In 2004, voters had to evaluate his claims. On the day when it counted, when these records could have been used to counter the claims from the swift boat veterans, and when people who had heard him agree to open his record had to walk into a booth and vote, he was still a liar. Opening then now, in 2005, or 2006, or who cares, is an exercise in self aggrandizement. As of Wednesday the 3rd, 2004, it became irrelevant.

    Diane can whine about Kerry being a good human being or whatever, but the key fact is he lost, and this was part of the reason. If you people can’t wrap your heads around the fact that coming through with what you promised after the election is worthless, then the Democratic party will continue their newfound tradition of losing every four years.

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