John McCain, gaffe machine?

Mike Allen and Jim VandeHei have an interesting item in the Politico today that’s generating quite a bit of attention, about John McCain’s series of verbal “gaffes.”

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said “Iraq” on Monday when he apparently meant “Afghanistan”, adding to a string of mixed-up word choices that is giving ammunition to the opposition.

Just in the past three weeks, McCain has also mistaken “Somalia” for “Sudan,” and even football’s Green Bay Packers for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Ironically, the errors have been concentrated in what should be his area of expertise: foreign affairs.

Allen and VandeHei tread carefully in considering why McCain keeps making these mistakes, suggesting that they might be “the result of his age,” though this is an “uncomfortable question.”

Michael Crowley added, “Given the nature of our political-media culture works, this sort of narrative could be more damaging to McCain than anything the prime minister of Iraq has to say. The perception of McCain as a doddering old guy could easily become on a par with the perception of Al Gore as a serial exaggerator.”

Like John Cole, I look at the question about McCain’s age as largely irrelevant. I care that McCain is wrong, not that he’s wrong and nearly 72. When considering McCain’s near-constant confusion, the only relevant angle is McCain’s breathtaking incompetence — the fact that he’s a septuagenarian doesn’t much matter at all.

I was struck, though, by the use of the word “gaffe” in the article.

I’ve been listening pretty closely to McCain for quite a while, and it seems to me the bizarre things that he says fall into one of five categories:

1) A gaffe — McCain meant to say one thing, but he accidentally said something else.

2) Confusion — McCain didn’t quite know what he meant, but he talked about the subject anyway.

3) Flip-flopping — McCain knew what he meant, it’s just the opposite of what he used to mean.

4) Lying — McCain knew the truth, but chose to go in a different direction.

5) Attempted humor — McCain’s sense of comedy is consistently odd.

The piece from Allen and VandeHei pointed to a variety of McCain “gaffes,” but that seems overly-broad. For example, when McCain talks about Czechoslovakia, it was probably a gaffe — he got confused and said the wrong country name.

But when McCain said troops in Iraq were “down to pre-surge levels,” when in fact there were 20,000 more troops than when the surge began, I don’t think that’s necessarily a gaffe. It’s more likely to me he was either confused about reality, or was deliberately trying to mislead his audience about troop levels.

When McCain mistook Sunnis and Shiites, on multiple occasions, that’s not a gaffe, so much as it’s McCain not knowing what he’s talking about. Similarly, the Steelers/Packers story wasn’t a gaffe; it was McCain hoping to score cheap points in Pittsburgh by changing a story to fit the city he was in at the time.

In this sense, “gaffe” is overly forgiving. It implies that McCain means to say the right thing, but tends to misspeak. I don’t see it that way at all. “Gaffe” suggests McCain knows what he’s talking about, but is burdened by the occasional embarrassing verbal faux pas.

But that’s not the real story here. The important point is that McCain, a little too often, seems hopelessly clueless. That’s far more significant than the occasional “gaffe.”

I think a lot of McCain’s “gaffes” are lies — specific panderings & making stuff up that he assumes (for the most part correctly) that no one will ever call him on.

But whatever the case may be, it’s surely incredibly ridiculous to avoid “an uncomfortable question” about his age — and whether he’s mentally agile enough to withstand the rigors of the job — when he’s RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF THE USA.

I’m really tired of Republican presidents that wouldn’t be fit to manage the local Wendy’s franchise (Reagan, Bush, Bush).

  • So when Obama goes overseas, the media is looking for that one presidential-bid-ending gaffe he could possibly make. When McCain consistently makes gaffes or lies or is confused(here or overseas), it’s the media’s job to defend him.

    In reference to the McCain challenge to come up with a song to go with their “Media’s infatuation with Obama” video, I sure hope their song choice ends up being something by Cypress Hill or the Kottonmouth Kings cause I don’t know what they’re smoking over there in their republican circles.

  • But when McCain said troops in Iraq were “down to pre-surge levels,” when in fact there were 20,000 more troops than when the surge began, I don’t think that’s necessarily a gaffe. It’s more likely to me he was either confused about reality, or was deliberately trying to mislead his audience about troop levels.

    Or, McCain doesn’t see 20,000 troops as a significant number of extra people whose lives are on the line.

    His sensitive side doesn’t really stand out, given that he’s called his wife a cunt (why do we in the U.S. put asterisks in the middle of words like “cunt” instead of just saying them?) in public, and shares an economic philosophy with Phil “let-them-eat-cake” Gramm. He doesn’t support equal pay for equal work. He speaks cavalierly of killing ordinary citizens in Iran, with bombs or cancer. Ever notice that there is nothing warm or engaging about this man? His wife has the ice chips in her eye sockets, his seem to be deeply embedded in his soul.

  • After watching for a little while this morning, I’m all for the media making sure to give McCain equal airtime. In fact, after watching his town hall meeting this morning, my conclusion is that the more airtime, especially LIVE airtime of McCain, the better for Obama.

    PS, don’t tell McCain.

  • ever have one of those unfortunate moments when you read or hear something, and some really silly thought pops in your head and then it won’t go away?

    you know you have.

    which is why for the rest of the afternoon, thanks to Steve’s headline, I will be hearing the Jacksons singing “he’s a gaffe-in’, gaffe-in’, gaffe-in’ — gaffe-ing machine. . .”

  • I’ve been kvetching about the mis-use of “gaffe” for a while. The fReichtards use it as a defense for their side and an attack against the left. But frequent use of the g-word also gets us into the issue of how many gaffes a leader should be allowed to make before everyone writes him off as a loony &/or a liar.

    I think every member of BushCo is far past that point and McCainiac approaching it at 300 mph.

  • I disagree with the comparison to Gore. The corporate media chose to skewer Gore by misrepresenting his comments and printing outright lies. How many times did we have to hear that Gore invented the internet? I wish they would faithfully report what McCain says without altering the words to soften his lies and confusing statements. I wish they would report what he says and contrast it with what he said a month ago to a different audience. If McCain were the democratic candidate he would be labeled a doddering old codger and that would be the kinder comments.

  • Like it or not, age is an issue for McCain with some people. Just like being black is an issue for Obama with others.

    There’s no hiding the fact that the guy is old. Then, when he ‘gaffes’ or is ‘confused’ it just reinforces the image of doddering old guy. Of course, his lies get written off as ‘grampa just got confused’ but in the long-run it just cements his doddering old guy image.

    People won’t vote for a doddering old guy, no matter how much he might remind them of their grandpa.

    McCain=GOP DOG (doddering old guy)

  • z – I heard “I’m just a gaffe machine and I won’t gaffe for nobody but you.” (Ohio Sound Machine???)

    Curse my flightly little brain.

    But it’s better than a McCane love machine.

  • McCain is getting very nasty in his attacks, probably getting instruction from Karl Rove, he is getting desperate, and watch out, may soon lose that famous temper.

  • Sorry for the typos. I think these gaffes are an attempt to bait Al Qaeda into making a mistake.

    Imagine bin Laden’s suprise when he’s captured while trying to find the Iraqi/Pakistani border.

    Or how badly the cells are broken up by Interpol arresting terrorists trying to plant bombs in Czechoslovakia. (Next up — McCain starts making references to the Holy Roman Empire!)

  • Damnit, McCain’s age — or rather, the way his age is affecting him — IS relevant, because once a person starts being affected by age, the effects are progressive. He’s simply not going to get any better, he’ll just get worse, and only David Kelley (in a sequence on PICKET FENCES) has ever argued that Alzheimer’s should not be an argument against someone holding an executive position. And he was talking about a mayor, not someone who controls armies and ‘the button.’

    Sure, some people stay healthy, alert, and active well into their eighties — my mother-in-law (who is 86, I think) recently got worried because she had to rest for longer periods between square dances. But others, including, obviously, McCain, don’t.

    It is an issue, and if the race ever gets close enough that there is even a 1% chance of McCain winning, it would be a big one. But if we only brought it up then, it would look like ‘ageism’ so we should be at least starting to mention it now.

  • I see both “gaffes” and signs that he’s just an old prick. Calls his trophy wife a cunt, swears at colleagues, lies like a rug, jokes about killing thousands of people.

    But why the hell is it considered inappropriate to ask if McCain is mentally unfit to be president, if his lack of fitness is due to age or any other reason?

    The man would be 72 when he took office, and 76 at the end of his term. And of course unless he goes completely barking mad he’d be the nominee in 2012, with the potential to be president at 80 yrs of age.

    The next president is going to have a HELL of a hard time cleaning up after the Worst President Ever. Will all that hard work make McCain get smarter?

    Fuck policical correctness. I want to believe that the president isn’t just an old man who will be nodding off as his subordinates run roughshod. We had that under Reagan, and it SUCKED.

  • The perception of McCain as a doddering old guy could easily become on a par with the perception of Al Gore as a serial exaggerator.”

    Except that it’s true about McCain.

    I like Zeitgeist’s “gaffe in”. I see McCain in one of those windows they used to open to ask dumb jokes.

    Perhaps we should start using g*ffe to spare McCain’s sensitive nature. We can’t use “boners” because that might be a sensitive subject for him too.

    I like CB’s Taxonomy of McCain’s Hacksonomy.I see a game feature where McCain pops up and says something and you have to press a button for 1) A gaffe 2) Confusion 3) Flip-flopping 4) Lying 5) Attempted humor. It could be like a flight simulator for reporters. If the game got popular then at the next debate all Obama would have to say in response to McCain’s points would be a number 1 through 5.

  • If the press is going to insist on dismissing all McCain’s mistakes and lies as gaffes, I’m going to insist on calling McCain “the old gaffer”.

  • Someone once defined a political gaffe as accidentally telling a unpolitical truth.

    JSMcC*nt has avoided this by never telling the truth.

  • JakeD, yes, people voted for Reagan twice, but his second campaign, the one where he probably was most affected by Alzheimers was vacuous anyway. All we could see were commercials of him looking handsome and Presidential and the theme was “Morning in America” (whatever the hell that means). People just voted for him because he was wrapped in the flag and charming. Even though he had Alzheimers, he didn’t start out that way. I think there was a cover-up going on there, but we weren’t at war and the ship of state could keep on trucking with the Administration’s team running it behind the scenes.

    This situation is much different. McCain would be starting out with Alzheimers and as Prup notes, it only gets worse. I’ve seen the progression with my father-in-law and it isn’t pretty. The public has a right to know and it could be disasterous having a man with a mean temperment to beging with, just getting more angry and unreasonable…we deserve better (for a change).

  • As to the odd sense of humor McCain displays, it may be the result of his awareness, an oddity on almost any subject apparently, that if he told the type of joke he really likes, his campaign would be over in a blink.

  • Always hopeful:

    I am sure you are “hopeful” too that some medical professional will diagnose McCain with Alzheimer’s Disease. Regardless, I’m voting for him.

  • McCain doesn’t have Alzheimer’s. He’s just elderly, a prick, and not the sharpest pencil in the jar.

  • 9. On July 22nd, 2008 at 2:26 pm, JakeD said:
    People voted overwhelmingly for a “doddering old guy” named Reagan, twice.

    indeed they did. and for that, they got:

    1) The elimination of numerous programs the Carter Administration had started to encourage alternative energy and conservation (“conserving” leads to malaise, you know), which would have proven very helpful by now in avoiding the current energy and environmental crises;

    2) A budget wired to a huge ticking time-bomb of debt, which ironcially went off under the chair of the Republican who correctly labeled Reagan’s policies “voodoo economics”;

    3) The most corrupt, investigated, indicted and otherwise scandal-plagued administration until Dubya came along and took over first place (Watt? Gorsuch Burford? Iran-Contra – which should have been a much bigger scandal, and it was pretty big as it was)

    Tell me again what Reagan did that was so great other than blow smoke up the country’s collective ass about all things sunny, Marlboro Man-ish, and red, white and blue?

  • Alzheimer’s isn’t a joke. It’s a horrific degeneration that leaves more victims that just the person diagnosed with the disease. It’s also very subtle, at least at first, and difficult to distinguish from just progressive age effecting memory and attention. If McCain does suffer from the disease, and I honestly hope he doesn’t, then he has absolutely no business being in a position to place others in harm through his decisions.

    The issues I have with McCain’s age are that he is far more likely to have Alzheimer’s or a similarly degenerative condition. This isn’t FDR in a wheel-chair. This isn’t ageism. This is a serious concern that an old man, with all the infirmities that advanced age bring, is applying for a job that requires a certain about of exertion and alertness. Any condition that might effect judgement, like senility or even just the effects of old age is a valid issue in a political campaign.

  • Reagan didn’t end the Cold war. Gorbachev did. The U.S.S.R. wasn’t unmade by his relentless optimism and bellicose war-mongering. Glastnost and peristroika ended the U.S.S.R.

  • all by himself? really? Gorbachev’s reform-mindedness had nothing to do with it? The Soviet economy had nothing to do with it? (and that can’t be Reagan’s doing – for decades we’d been taught that centrally-panned economies were doomed to fail). And Reagan did what, exactly, that was decisively different than what Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon had done?

    please. lets not dumb down history for the sake of political sloganeering.

    oh – and are you really so sure it has ended? give Dubya’s brand of politics a bit longer and Putin may have it back in full swing before you can slam a shot of iced Stoli.

  • For starters, he ended the Cold War.

    No, he didn’t.

    Russia’s pathetic economy, the billions spent trying to control all the satellite countries while others started to institute more freedoms, Gorbechev loosening the reins of media power, and more than a decade of lost treasure and resources in Afghanistan brought down the Soviet Union.

    So please stop trying to lionize a guy who simply watched as millions of people lost billions of dollars in the S&L crisis … rolled back environmental protections that, if they had remained, would have made us more independent from oil and, thus, more secure … and who sold advanced missile technology to Iran — you know, that evil country you wingnuts want destroyed — so he could fund illegal wars that propped up brutal, baby-killing dictators.

    In short, the guy made Nixon look ethical, yet managed to use his Alzheimer’s to get out of impeachment.

    The right’s adulation of him is sad and pathetic, although not surprising.

  • Jake D,

    It’s going to take a lot more than single line contrarian sentiment to sway any of us to your position. Perhaps if you engaged your brain and wrote a proper rebuttal you might win more support or understanding, but then if you engaged your brain you wouldn’t be a Republican anymore.

  • More on topic:

    While I think McCain’s age does, in fact, have a bit to do with his “gaffes” (although most seem like flat-out lies or deliberate misconstructions), the other part of this is how his surrogates keep screwing stuff up as well.

    IMHO, it’s based on three things:

    1. Incompetent management of the campaign — There have been many stories about what a mess McCain’s campaign has been, from his 2007 Implosion Tour (which, sadly, didn’t come to the fiery end I wanted) to earlier this year with the reshuffling of staff. This is a huge issue: If he can’t get his campaign in order, why the hell should anyone trust our country to him?

    2. Win-at-all-costs mentality — McCain has given up all pretense of running a respectful, consistently-principled campaign and is now willing to do and say anything to get elected. If that means he has to lie, so be it. At this point, truth is irrelevant when compared to winning (which, as we know, is the typical mindset of the GOP).

    3. The media’s love of all things Mavericky — McCain has spent the better part of 20 years doing and saying anything he damn well pleases without any fear of it being reported. He could cuss out a fellow Senator, tell a joke about rape, insult an entire race, and reporters following him would just laugh because, you know, he’s such a swell guy and **gasp** did you know he was once a POW?!?!

    The last one is the biggest reason (again, IMHO) that he not only keeps doing it, but also why it hasn’t destroyed his campaign.

    But the media doesn’t control information any more, and McCain has admitted he knows nothing of the Internet. So when he says one thing one week, and the exact opposite the next, he’s still confident that the media will ignore it or excuse it, with him getting off scott free.

    Unfortunately for him, the Intratubes allow anyone to find out if he’s full of shit. Luckily, many have.

    Unfortunately for the rest of the world, our media still gives McCain a pass on things that would utterly devastate any Democrat who dared make the same mistake(s). Luckily, they are starting to wake up.

    Hopefully, most of the media will realize that being a crappy pilot and serving mediocre bar-b-q doesn’t automatically qualify someone to be President.

  • Age is an issue. You have to be a senior like myself to appreciate it. McCain should be disqualified for that alone. We simply don’t have the vigor for the rigors of the job. Aging is a process about which we can, so far, do nothing about, and by the time we reach the sixties we’ve traveled downhill a considerable distance. I’ve been an exerciser for over thirty years, since I quit smoking, and it’s just amazing to observe the downward spiral as one ages in terms of physical performance. I have records of every session going back thirty years, and it’s right there in front of me, anytime I get some silly notion that age is simply a matter of attitude or effort. It’s relentless, and it begins to accelerate as one moves into the sixties. There is nothing you can do about it, no matter how hard you try. Your performance declines in every activity, inexorably.

    It’s interesting, too, that the decline in performance matches inversely the increase in death rates as one ages – I was an actuary during my career, so I’m pretty familiar with the mortality curve (probability of death from age x to x+1, from age zero to 100). For a long period in middle age, the second derivative is close to zero, but then it picks up somewhere in the sixties, and one’s downhill velocity accelerates. Old age is not just a white haired, balding extension of middle age. It’s truly different.

    As I said, you have to be here to appreciate it. McCain is too old, and he knows it. Shame on him for allowing his ego and ambition to trump what’s right for the nation.

  • “For starters, he ended the Cold War.”

    Along with the Marshall Plan,
    the Truman Doctrine,
    the Berlin Airllft,
    the formation of NATO,
    the Cuban Missile Crisis,
    the Prague Spring,
    economic stagnation under Brezhnev,
    the Helsinki Accords,
    SALT I,
    the ABM treaty,
    SALT II,
    the floundering war in Afghanistan,
    Samantha Smith and Yuri Andropov,
    the nuclear freeze movement,
    the peace movement,
    Chernobyl,
    Mathias Rust’s landing on Red Square,
    glasnost,
    perestroika,
    the INF Treaty,
    START,
    the Velvet Revolution,
    the Beatles,
    the first McDonald’s in Moscow,
    Sting’s “Russians” (just an opinion, love that song),
    and the US kicking the Soviets’ collective ass in hockey in 1980.

    Did I miss anything?

  • Diogenes:

    Gorbachev ended the Cold War, all by himself? Really?

    zeitgist:

    I never said that Reagan did it alone (Thatcher and the Pope helped too ; )

    doubtful:

    I was simply answering the question (“for starters”), and I am registered Independent, not Republican.

  • i’m not in favor of making age an issue; however, as someone else said on another thread, obama isn’t going to be any blacker in november.

  • Don’t feed Jake/Charlie. He really is crazy and he really does thrive on the attention. Oh, and he really is ugly as sin IRL.

  • When people started cataloging Bushisms during W’s first term, I remember an author who studied the phenomenon noting that Bush would slip-up when he was talking about something he didn’t believe in, like admitting to personal flaws. It wasn’t stupidity, it was the brain trying to overrule what the lips were saying.

    This could be the same for McCain. Maybe he just doesn’t believe the crap that he’s being coached to say.

    Or maybe the Republican penchant to spout stupidity (Dan Quayle, W, McCain, Ted Stevens, etc.) is something in the water those guys are drinking. … I believe it’s called scotch. And lots of it.

  • Getting to this late, but Prup is right: age IS a factor. Some people are sharp as can be, and wiser and richer in knowledge the older they get. But fatigue may be a factor even for them, and meanwhile others don’t retain their mental edge. “Losing it” intellectually — aka, senility or “senile dementia” or early onset of Alzheimer’s — is unfortunately not uncommon. It’s a question that must be re: an older candidate who makes the mistakes that McCain makes. Even if he is “only” lying, he’s doing such a bad job that his lies too throw doubt on his basic intellectual faculties. My husband says he’s just lying, but I think it’s both: for example, the repeated confusions about Shia and Shite, even after being corrected. We already have one empty headed president (if you don’t count an active tolerance for torture) who does not have Alzheimers but is apparently willing to be manipulated like a puppet by handlers and behind the scenes malevolences like Cheney and his little rat, too, Addington (or fill in the blank — Libby, Feith, Rumsfeld, et al.). Another truly empty suit, who is truly out to lunch cognitively, is a serious issue and, given what we’ve seen, something we should think about. BTW, I’m almost 62, and ageism does exist, and I hate it, but that’s another story.

  • Senility would be relevant to his job performance as president; by his age, senility is certainly a possibility; thus, his age is relevant. Some people, including many politicians, remain as sharp as a tack until a grand old age. But it’s by no means guaranteed.

  • Bottom line – if McCain is elected president, only one thing is evident – he will get older!
    How scary is that!!!!!

  • I think McCain has aged significantly just since January this year.

    Maybe we could start a “save the McCain”, as in save him from extinction as we all have seen how the White House ages a president…even one so worry free as Bush. He’s aged more than normal as all presidents do.

    But it won’t come to that. I am convinced McCain is a shill, and either will beg off because of “health” or Evil Dick Cheney will take him on a hunting trip and pull his old “oops” again. In any case, they can’t seriously put McCain up against anyone. A Slurpee maching would get more votes of confidence than him.

  • The effects of aging varies widely among individuals. John McCain could not have progresses as far as he has in this bruising political year without a lot of physical stamina. And all candidates make verbal gaffes…let’s be a little more forgiving.

    It is disappointing to hear so many references to John McCain’s age during this political season. The specter of “ageism” is ugly to behold, and genuine hypocrisy from those so sensitive to every other perceived form of prejudice.

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