Karl Rove, warrantless searches, and 9/11

With the election season in full swing, it was only a matter of time before Karl Rove kicked the demagoguery up a notch.

Presidential adviser Karl Rove criticized a federal judge’s order for an immediate end to the government’s warrantless surveillance program, saying Wednesday such a program might have prevented the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Rove said the government should be free to listen if al Qaeda is calling someone within the U.S.

“Imagine if we could have done that before 9/11. It might have been a different outcome,” he said.

Truth be told, this isn’t exactly a new line of argument. Conservatives, almost immediately after the legally dubious program was exposed, argued that 9/11 might have been prevented if the government had conducted more illegal surveillance.

It isn’t an argument that’s improved with age.

Rove may have forgotten, but we didn’t need warrantless-searches to garner intelligence about the 9/11 attacks — intelligence officials used legal means to learn about the plot. Intercepted messages led the CIA to warn the president about Osama bin Laden shortly before the attacks, and on Sept. 10, 2001, the National Security Agency picked up suggestive comments by al Queda operatives, including, “Tomorrow is zero hour.”

As it turns out, that communication wasn’t translated in time, but intelligence officials didn’t need to conduct illegal domestic surveillance; they needed more linguists.

Moreover, as Salon’s Tim Grieve noted, Rove neglected to mention that the president, based on the legal arguments advanced by the administration’s attorneys, could have ordered warrantless wiretapping before 9/11 if he’d had any interest in doing so.

While the Justice Department has argued that the use-of-force authorization approved by Congress just after 9/11 implicitly allowed the warrantless spying, it also insists that Bush had “inherent” authority to institute the program himself.

“The NSA activities are supported by the president’s well-recognized inherent constitutional authority as commander in chief and sole organ for the nation in foreign affairs to conduct warrantless surveillance of enemy forces for intelligence purposes to detect and disrupt armed attacks on the United States,” the Justice Department argued in its “white paper” in defense of the program. “The president has the chief responsibility under the Constitution to protect America from attack, and the Constitution gives the president the authority necessary to fulfill that solemn responsibility.”

Got that? The Justice Department says that even without Congress, Bush has the authority to order warrantless spying to “protect America from attack.” Rove says that there “might have been a different outcome” on 9/11 if he had done so. As another 9/11 anniversary approaches, we’ll take that as an admission that Bush didn’t, in fact, do everything he could to avoid the attacks. Either that, or Bush doesn’t actually have the inherent power to engage in warrantless spying without congressional approval. It’s got to be one or the other; the White House can’t — but probably will — have it both ways.

Of course, these facts notwithstanding, Rove’s drive-by smear isn’t about reality; it’s about arguing, with very little subtlety, that to oppose warrantless searches is to tacitly agree that civil liberties are more important than preventing 9/11-style attacks.

Be prepared to hear quite a bit of that between now and November.

I’m consistently shocked at how much power the right wing wants to put in the hands of the Presidency given that President Hillary Clinton is a real possibility.

One of my favorite governing theories is that you should not create a power you would not want your opponent to have. The Republicans should keep this in mind.

  • to oppose warrantless searches is to tacitly agree that civil liberties are more important than preventing 9/11-style attacks

    Aren’t they?

  • NAR,
    “President Hillary Clinton is a real possibility…” You must stop the dangerous pre 9/11 thinking. The limitation of two terms is so pre 9/11 i’m surprised you didn;t get the urge to blow up an airplane as you typed it. Note from earlier this week when Rockey “the GOP plant” had a pre-scheduled impromptu meeting with GWB. In his off-the-cuff comments he suggested all we needed was 4 more years fo GWB and we would be great!

    All snark aside, do not assume that this is the last 2 years of GWB POTUS. Roosevelt was elected to third term during WWII. Connect the war president dots. It is a little moon-batty of me but I refuse to rule out the idea that the PNAC Rovians might try to stay in power. These are the people who will point at the sky and tell you it is green, point at the grass and tell you it is blue and smear your character if you dare to suggest they are incorrect.

  • “Rove may have forgotten, but we didn’t need warrantless-searches to garner intelligence about the 9/11 attacks — intelligence officials used legal means to learn about the plot. Intercepted messages led the CIA to warn the president about Osama bin Laden shortly before the attacks, and on Sept. 10, 2001, the National Security Agency picked up suggestive comments by al Queda operatives, including, ‘Tomorrow is zero hour.'” – CB

    Thanks CB. That would be exactly the point I would make (and have made). I suppose Rove just kind of forgot that he and his failed America in August and September of 2001.

    Republican’ts. Can’t protect America. Why do we want them there?

  • “In his off-the-cuff comments he suggested all we needed was 4 more years fo GWB and we would be great!” – MNP

    What people seem to forget is that Boy George II wants to retire and pass the blame for pulling out of Iraq to someone else. If he stayed in power for another term, when he left Iraq the ‘enemies’ would all declare victory. Boy George II can’t stand that idea. He can’t stand the thought that those enemies will get to win his war while he is in office. So he’s going to leave and leave it a mess for another American President to lose. Sort of like Johnson did.

    I mean, I’m sure he’s not happy with the fact that our enemies are going to claim victory no matter who or when we pull out. But I suspect someone pointed out to him that even though in Somolia we lost eighteen soldiers to several thousand enemy dead, everybody says we lost and they won. The same will be true of Iraq, just as it has been true of Lebanon.

  • Aren’t they?

    Good point, Chuck. To elaborate, I meant that Rove will make this an either/or dynamic. We can either let Bush trample the rule of law or we can let him protect us. For Rove, and the campaign message, the notion that we can protect civil liberties and take national security seriously is impossible.

    They’re wrong, of course, but that’s the message.

  • It’s also worth noting that Bush could have done any surveillance necessary on these guys legally. The FISA judges would have rubber-stamped any warrant application that was even remotely related to al Qaeda.

    Rove is once again is trafficking in the falsest of false assertions that those who are opposed to the NSA program are against surveillance of terrorists.

  • “Imagine if we could have done that before 9/11. It might have been a different outcome,” he said.

    It definitely would’ve been different if we banned air travel. I guess that’s now part of the Republican party platform?

    Or maybe some things are expendable while some things aren’t. Why is the Bill of Rights in the first category?

  • Rove is laying the groundwork for an “October Surprise.” The British airline chemists were a warmup.

  • I’ve said (or in this case, typed) it once and I’ll do so again:

    If we have to throw away everything that makes us American — the rule of law, the Constitution, the separation of powers — then we will become the very thing we’re trying to destroy.

    Despite the notion that we (meaning our government) wouldn’t change the way we do things in the face of fear, we have. At this point, the terrorists don’t even have to attack us again — all they have to do is flinch, and a great number of righties soil themselves.

    Face it folks: We’ve already lost The War Against Terror (TWAT).

  • re ‘tomorrow is zero hour’: As it turns out, that communication wasn’t translated in time, but intelligence officials didn’t need to conduct illegal domestic surveillance; they needed more linguists.’

    so naturally they fire experienced linguists like Sibel Edmonds when she complained her work was being ignored (among other things; i’m simplifying here).

    from her site: ‘“…we fear that the designation of information as classified in some cases [brought forth by Sibel Edmonds] serves to protect the executive branch against embarrassing revelations and full accountability… Releasing declassified versions of these reports, or at least portions or summaries, would serve the public’s interest, increase transparency, promote effectiveness and efficiency at the FBI, and facilitate Congressional oversight.” / U.S. Senators Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and Charles Grassley (R-IA) in a Letter to Attorney General John Ashcroft’

    bastards.

  • What’s with the new wishful thinking strategy of the White House?

    “Imagine if we could have done that before 9/11. It might have been a different outcome,” (Rove) said.

    At Bush’s latest press conference he also delved into the realm of the imaginary a number of times. The Daily Show did a great send-up of it in this clip (about 3:50 into it) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdD5Qt3El-k&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ehuffingtonpost%2Ecom%2F2006%2F08%2F24%2Fvideo%2Dstewart%2Dslams%2Dbush%5Fn%5F27939%2Ehtml

    I can’t believe these guys are playing with imaginary friends and thinking up wishful dreams to back-up their policies. They’ve fallen down the rabbit hole … and they can’t get up.

  • Amazing how Rove, Mehlman and the boys are able to deflect any criticism of why all the terror alerts were not flashing red in the first 6 months of their administration (borrowing from Richard Clark). To continue to throw the blame back on to anyone else but themselves is just bullshit. 9/11 was preventable with the tools available at the time. But they had shifted their sights to politicizing on the missile defense shield against North Korea.

  • Reason #57 why I could never be a politician:

    Dear American voter,

    Stop being such a fucking pussy.

    Anyone who tells you he can keep you safe is a liar.

    The Constitution is your birthright. Stand up for it.

    Love,

    LM

  • “Imagine if we could have done that before 9/11. It might have been a different outcome,” — Presidential adviser Karl Rove, August 24, 2006, Toledo OH

    With a Presidential Daily Briefing dated August 6, 2001, titled “Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US,” how was Bush supposed to know that Osama Bin Ladin was planning to attack the US?

  • I have no real problem with Rove making these statments, as false as they are. My bigger concern is with, and my true contempt is directed at, CNN in this case for not pointing out all of the facts that contradict Rove’s statement.

  • My bigger concern is with, and my true contempt is directed at, CNN in this case for not pointing out all of the facts that contradict Rove’s statement.

    The media is in Bush/Rove’s pocket so no surprise there. I’m annoyed the Democrats haven’t taken every opportunity to lay the blame for 9/11 squarely at the feet of George W. Bush. The presidential daily briefing, the uninterrupted monthlong vacation, the untranslated tapes, the suspicions of FBI agents, and then the blatant lies U.S. military officers gave to the 9/11 commission. There’s more than enough evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, to nail Rove’s and Bush’s slimy carcasses the the wall for this. The GOP crossed the line of turning a national tragedy into a partisan issue a long time ago. Time for Democrats to hit back hard, above and below the belt. If a steady stream of Democrats were to say “George W. Bush is to blame for 9-11” there would be no end of “balanced” media coverage.

  • Hey Karl, Imagine if we had a commander-in-chief who cared about catching mass murderers.

    “I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.”
    – G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

    “I am truly not that concerned about him.”
    – G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden’s whereabouts,
    3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

    Last month, the CIA disbanded its Bin Laden unit.

  • “Rove may have forgotten, but we didn’t need warrantless-searches to garner intelligence…”

    We’ve been able to garner intelligence (legally) through sub-radar methods since passage of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act in1978. The only thing which has changed now is that the Bush Crime Family has chosen to do it without a warrant to do so; i.e., it has chosen (once again) to break the law.

    When, O when, is someone going to initiate impeachment procedings against this entire rat pack administration?

  • Roosevelt was elected to third term during WWII. Connect the war president dots.

    Actually, it was a fourth term, and as soon as they got a congressional majority in1946, the Republicans made sure that nobody gets more than two terms by passing the 24th Amendment, setting Presidents to two terms.

    It’s a REPUBLICAN LAW!!

  • The political gallop to the November finish line is heating up and the race is certain to tighten. Get ready folks, we’ve just rounded the final turn and we’re now headed into the homestretch and that horse making a big push on the Democrats’ right flank is none other than the GOP’s Secretariat, Karl Rove. With his legal troubles apparently behind him, Rove seems to be focused like a laser on once again wearing the floral blanket. In his most recent public appearance in Ohio, Rove reiterated the talking points of the strategy upon which the GOP intends to run.

    Mr. Rove, a White House adviser and the architect of Mr. Bush’s winning presidential campaigns, peppered Democrats on taxes and national security, invoked the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, and called the Iraq war “the heart of the battle” in a global war against “Islamic fascists.”

    The 20-minute speech echoed Mr. Bush’s 2004 campaign themes. He said Mr. Bush would not abandon the war and said of terrorists to the audience: “Who thinks if we come home, that they’re not going to follow us?”

    The important thing to note in the 2006 strategy is a minor, though significant, shift in the GOP framing…a technique that has been the hallmark of their success. This week the President gave a candid answer to an oft asked question…on a topic that has been the source of repeated Democratic criticism. He was asked what Iraq had to do with 9/11 and he quickly replied, “Nothing”…but then went on to explain that he believes the lesson of 9/11 was that we must take threats seriously before they materialize.

    Herein is the shift. Republicans realize that the conflation of Iraq and 9/11 is no longer the viable tool that it was during the 2002 and 2004 elections. In a classic counterintuitive Rovian shift, they have taken the Democratic strategy for 2006 and incorporated it into the GOP’s new framing. When Bush uttered “Nothing”, the revised strategy was revealed. Simply stated, the new GOP strategy is to incorporate the Democratic message into their revised rhetoric. This isn’t the first time that the Bush administration has co-opted the message of the opposition when it became apparent that they were perilously close to a position of checkmate.

    Not only do they now want Democrats to make voters consider leaving Iraq, they will take it a step further and insist that voters consider the potential consequences and risks…once again invoking the power of terrorism in order to create voter doubt…all the while framing the Democrats as the object of that doubt. The goal is to make the doubt about leaving Iraq (the terror threat) greater than the dissatisfaction about the conduct of the war. Forcing voters to move beyond the GOP’s past poor performance is essential and can be achieved by refocusing voters on other more ominous potentialities.

    Is there any doubt that the rhetorical question asked by Karl Rove, “Who thinks if we come home, that they’re not going to follow us?” is strategically brilliant. As much as I despise the underlying objectives of Karl Rove, it is folly to ignore his strategic intellect…a statement that will anger many Democrats but a reality worth admitting in order to outmaneuver the GOP. Rove’s genius is seen in his decision to frame the Iraq dilemma in the form of a question. Doing so immediately removes all signs of defensiveness…the trait most frequently associated with deception. Invoking voters to use their judgment avoids the need to explain the administration’s failures while making voters assume responsibility for their own safety and security.

    Read the full article here:

    http://www.thoughttheater.com

  • “Actually, it was a fourth term, and as soon as they got a congressional majority in1946, the Republicans made sure that nobody gets more than two terms by passing the 24th Amendment, setting Presidents to two terms.

    It’s a REPUBLICAN LAW!! ” – Tom Cleaver

    Imagine if they tried to overturn the 24th Amendment during the next Congress. Bill Clinton could run in 2008! He’s what, two, four months younger than Boy George II. He’s fit (seems that way, anyway). He’s popular. I think he could win 😉

  • Dear President Bush,

    I see that, once again, you have let Mr. Rove run off his leash a bit to protect the American people from the truth. No doubt you feel this is in everyone’s best interest, but we cannot move forward as a nation without a brutally honest examination of the truth.

    The truth is that we have an incompetent loser of a President who didn’t give a rat’s ass about terrorism or terrorists before 9/11, and has dropped the ball bringing Osama bin Laden to justice. The truth is that you are losing an oil war you instigated with a pack of lies in Iraq. The truth is that our military is falling apart and our borders remain unprotected. The truth is that you have continually lied about why you are doing all this even to your most ardent supporters.

    The truth is that no amount of illegal spying on American citizens can provide us with a competent President or protect us from an incompetent President.

    The truth is that we, the American people, must shoulder the burden of responsibility to correct this current mess. As such, it is our job as citizens to vote in a Congress which will do it’s job rather then be a Republican Rubberstamp for any more of your inane stupidity.

    Your boss,

    John Q. Public

  • ***When, O when, is someone going to initiate impeachment procedings against this entire rat pack administration?***
    —————————————————————–Ed Stephan

    Soon. It’s either that, or some very angry folks will find it necessary to head for Washington with a pitchfork in one hand and a torch in the other….

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