Kerry 49%, Bush 39%

Way back last September, Zogby released a poll that I found rather discouraging. Bush’s popularity was already slipping badly — this was post-Katrina, and Zogby pegged his national support at 41% — but the poll added a twist. Zogby asked respondents how they’d vote in hypothetical match-ups pitting Bush against the past presidents of the last generation.

Bush didn’t fare well. Given a choice, Americans preferred Clinton, Reagan, Carter, and Bush 41 to the current president. When Zogby asked about a 2004 rematch, however, Bush still beat John Kerry, 48% to 47%.

To me, it was a reflection of just how severely Bush and his allies had smeared Kerry during the campaign. Even in the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, as the president was exposed as being helplessly inept, Bush nevertheless led in a hypothetical rematch, according to this poll.

That, of course, was six months ago. What if voters were given another shot at the ’04 race now? The latest Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll, which includes a lot of fascinating data, asked this very question.

One final question offered perhaps the most dramatic expression of the nation’s discontent with Bush’s second term. Asked whom they would support today in a rerun of the 2004 presidential election, 39% of registered voters picked Bush, whereas 49% said they preferred the man the president defeated only 17 months ago, Democratic Sen. John F. Kerry of Massachusetts.

In light of the Zogby poll from September, it’s encouraging to see Kerry with a 10-point lead. In light of reality, I’m not sure what the other 39% are thinking.

“In light of reality, I’m not sure what the other 39% are thinking.” – CB

They get all their ‘thoughts’ from FauxNews, Dick Cheney and Scott McClellan. Is it any surprise that they are still supporting Bush when they are being told that the ‘Reality-based community’ is liberal-biased and not getting out the whole story on Iraq?

All we can do is try to break them down one relative or co-worker at a time.

  • I remember during the Watergate crisis that polls were regularly taken seeing how Nixon would fare “now” in a rematch with McGovern (who, you’ll recall, was smashed by Nixon in a landslide in ’72). It took the public until two months before Tricky Dick’s resignation (a year and a half into Watergate!) before they gave McGovern the edge in a hypothetical election.

    Public opinion in this country has always moved slowly. A lot of Americans place a huge amount of faith in their leaders, and — even when presented with overwhelming evidence that those leaders are screwing them over — will only give up that faith slowly and grudgingly.

  • It’s very good news. Kerry is a known quantity. Of course, he won’t be the nominee.

    I now believe that even John “Crooked Talk” McCain is pretty beatable, as long as we nominate a good messenger who effectively frames the race as the future (younger, optimistic) vs. the past (old man, failed policies, Keating 5).

  • Day late and a dollar short, America.
    We’ve just woke up in a Vegas hotel with our kidneys missing

  • “In light of reality, I’m not sure what the other 39% are thinking.” – CB

    They’re screaming (they can’t think) as they hand off snakes to one another: “Take me, Jay-zus! Save me from the sulphurous pit of ever-lasting fire! Take me now, in your soon-to-be Iranian Armageddon! At least Jay-zus wasn’t one o’ them queers [was He?]”

  • Thinking?
    You are so charitable to these Kool-aid drinkers.
    Have you ever talked to a cult member? A Moonie, perhaps? Can you characterize their programmed responses as thinking?

  • Personally, I tend not to lend much credence to responses to questions like this. Bush has been the subject of some high-profile hammering lately, while the public’s attention has been off Kerry, so the current climate isn’t like a political campaign. It’s similar to when people chose an unknown candidate over an incumbent; the unknown has an advantage until he or she becomes known, after which the advantage tends to decrease.

    That said, any movement away from Bush toward a Dem is good news. What the heck took people so long…

  • Instead of the “unknown candidate over the incumbent”, I look at it as the backup QB vs. the starter. When the starter stumbles, the cries to start the backup really get going. It’s the unknown commodity against the guy who’s not doing the job now.
    So, now that I think about it, it is like beep52 said

    See the “San Diego Chargers” for this theory in action.

  • Kerry might take that as strong encouragement to run again –that would be too bad. It’s just the natural and long-overdue growth of the “Anyone But Bush” contingent.

  • Honestly, I would have voted for my local dogcatcher to get Bush out of office. I really don’t have a clue as to where Kerry stands on any issue except that he has made noises about pulling out of Iraq.

    None of these Democrats are all that anxious to make hay out of Abramoff, I notice. Here in NY, we have the most corrupt governor since Boss tweed but our Democractic attorney general, controller, and two senators never notice. Even my very Republican brother admits that NYS is a sewer.

    The Defense Department reeks with scandal. All of the big shots from the DIA were taking bribes from Mitchell Wade, for one. Hear any Democrats calling for a big investigation of the top brass? Hear any one of them call for a reduced defense budget?

    I’ll let you in on a secret. One of the divisions of a major defense contractor projected a drop in next year’s defense budget because that’s what they were told was going to happen. But the defense budget is going up, not down. That’s your really big clue to not waste your time debating war in Iran like you did Iraq.

  • All of you who say “it won’t be Kerry” remind me of Republicans I knew in 1966 who said Nixon would never be a candidate again, at the same time that he was making friends and influencing people and getting chits by going around and working to keep the party together post the Goldwater blowout. And when candidates he worked for won their House races in 1966, it made people in the party sit up and take notice.

    Kerry is giving major support to the Iraq vets running for Congress, has used his supporter’s list to raise some substantial bucks for them at crucial times in the primary season, and is already working on supporting them for November with fund-raising. If they win, this is going to count a whole lot more than who gives good head to the blogosphere and does nothing else.

    I also don’t notice any other Democrat (particularly not HillaryBillary) who is putting forward any sort of resolution in the Senate about solving things in Iraq (and Kerry can’t get any more support for this than Feingold has for censure – for shame on those turds!).

    The rest of these so-called “candidates” are all standing around sticking their hands down their pants to find out if they’ve got anything there. Which is doubtful.

    I would suggest all you smugsters who claim to know the future either hie yourselves over to DailyKos where you can diddle yourself with the rest of the self-diddlers and think you’re all geniuses, or wake up and smell the coffee…

    It just might be that people are starting to realize that the image they had of Kerry was not the truth, but rather a Republican tar-baby. And they’re the ones who got stuck in the tar-baby and thrown in the briar patch, where they *really* didn’t want to go.

    YMMV

  • The other 39% are thinking the are glad they voted for Bush before they voted against him.

    Kerry is a doofus. The only downside to his not being president is that Bush is.

  • Tom — Thanks for that last part. It’s been my thought all along that Kerry has lead an almost perfectly clean life. If he had had a ticket for jay-walking the Republicanites would have made a major campaign issue out of it. As it was, the smears they used were fabrications and unfortunately Kerry didn’t refute the swift-boaters before the lies sunk into the public perception.

    I’ll probably be the only one on this thread that is a Kerry supporter, but when the ’08 primaries come around the only other candidate I would consider above him would be Gore. Of course, since I’m a lib this could be subject to change with newer and different information.

  • Kerry support has not increased in that poll. Bush has just dropped. I see that as very bad for Kerry.

  • Sedated,

    Actually Kerry support did increase in this poll versus at least one earlier poll of this nature. In that poll, Kerry beat Bush by one point – but the numbers were 44 and 45. They actually gave the numbers needed to create a transition matrix in that one – some self described Kerry voters when to “third party” and “not vote”. So, this poll does represent Kerry winning back a small number of people. (My view would also be if the earlier poll and this poll represented a real election – a large part of the non-voters and third party in reality would go to Kerry.)

    That he has accomplished this with almost no help from the media is impressive. Other than his own appearances, the media is very biased against giving him credit. (For example, yesterday the yahoo article said that Kerry has “joined” the call to ask Bush to dump Rumsfeld. Kerry in 2003 was the first to call for firing Rumsfeld for incompetence and Abu Ghraib. (Dean joined him the next day – and for a long time they were alone in this position.) In 2005, Kerry put out a petition on this issue. So, the word “join” is a bit off.

  • Tom, you’re my new hero. And marcus, you’re not alone. I’ve been a Kerry appreciator since 1972, he’s been my senator for 22 years, and that’s how long I’ve wanted him to be president.

    Believe me, if he had any closet skeletons to rattle, the Boston Globe and the Boston Herald, no fans of the hometown guy, would have rattled them. He is that rarest of creatures, a politician whose personal integrity is central to everything he does. I believe that’s why his every move is shredded equally by left and right as being motivated by political expediency. They don’t know what to make of him.

    And he’s probably pissed off as many dems as he has gopers – BCCI, Iran Contra – the man walks his own path.

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