Kerry, Swift Boat liars, and a $1 million offer

For most political observers, the term “swift-boat” has become a ubiquitous, easy-to-understand verb. Whereas it used to mean lying about an opponent’s military service in order to smear him or her, it’s now taken on a more general meaning: to swift-boat is to fabricate a phony smear of your opponent.

The right, apparently, is still a little sensitive about this generally-accepted phrase entering the political lexicon. Conservatives are surely aware that the vicious lies about John Kerry’s heroic military service were a key development in the 2004 race, but it leaves them uncomfortable to realize that “swift-boating” is synonymous with fraudulent smears. It was a disgraceful moment for the right, and it’s apparently left them rather embarrassed.

So, they’re pushing back, suggesting that the swift-boat liars weren’t lying after all. Last week, Rush Limbaugh insisted that the 2004 propaganda was “right on the money, and nobody has disproven anything they claimed in any of their ads.”

This week, Texas oilman T. Boone Pickens, a major contributor to the swift-boat liars, offered $1 million to anyone who could disprove any of the group’s 2004 claims. Yesterday, Kerry gladly accepted the challenge.

Pickens, who provided $3 million to bankroll the group during Kerry’s race against President Bush, responded by saying he won’t consider giving Kerry the reward unless he surrenders his combat films, additional military records and wartime journal. […]

Pickens wrote Friday in a letter faxed to Kerry, “I am certainly open to your challenge,” but he said he would not pay Kerry unless the senator first provided him with copies of his wartime journals, as well as movies he shot while on patrol and his complete military records for 1971 to 1978.

Sounds odd, doesn’t it? It’s not merely enough to highlight the group’s obvious lies; Kerry needs to let Pickens dig through his personal life from 35 years ago?

Kerry isn’t backing down. “While I am prepared to show they lied on allegation after allegation, you have generously offered to pay one million dollars for just one thing that can be proven false,” Kerry wrote to Pickens. “I am prepared to prove the lie beyond any reasonable doubt.” The senator will donate Pickens’ money to the Paralyzed Veterans of America.

Kerry told the AP, “It’s beyond me; it’s important for all the vets who served with me, who cared about it, whose own records were lied about. The problem is, it’s the way they operate on the other side, and we have to end swift-boating forever. The way to do that is to have this public accounting.”

For his part, Pickens said he’ll hold up his end of the bargain, just so long as Kerry turns over everything Pickens demands to see.

“When you have done so, if you can then prove anything in the ads was materially untrue, I will gladly award $1 million. As you know, I have been a long and proud supporter of the American military and veterans’ causes,” Pickens wrote.

That might be more believable if he, you know, didn’t finance the swifties.

Why does Pickens’ offer seem like White Water to me? An excuse for a digging expedition.

And don’t blackmailers often do this? Say that they will adhere to an agreement and then raise the stakes?

  • Well, it seems to me that if Kerry gives “just one proof” that the ads were lies, legally T. Boone Pickens would have to pay up. Only, Ole Pickens wants to change the goalposts and demand the kitchen sink if Kerry takes up the challenge.

    Actually, I think knocking down the Swiftboaters with a knockout slam is a great idea — that was the most despicable advertising I’ve seen in my life, and there’s more than one way to skin a cat. If Kerry doesn’t want to wrangle with T. Bone with the changing goalposts, he could just provide the proof to someone else, and THEY can claim the $3 Million and give it to the Paralyzed Veterans of America.

  • Given the right-wing’s proven ability to deny clear and obvious facts, I’m confident Pickens will never be writing that check. I expect it will end up like a Monty Python sketch, with Pickens denying that clear, obvious, and overwhelming proof doesn’t prove anything. Really, isn’t that what the whole Swift Boat thing is made of in the first place?

  • And the media will regard it as a he said/she said controversy. You simply cannot disprove anything the right wing claims in today’s media environment.

  • Kerry should put up a website written by himself and proofread by himself where he disproves all the Swift Boat Veterans allegations that he can disprove.

    That would be cool and then we can all judge whether the Swifties are right or not– they can try to respond to what his specific objection are, and people will be able to judge their honesty on the substance of those objections.

    As for releasing his records, I guess Kerry has some reason not to want to release them and the Republicans have some reason to want people to see him. Whatever the reason is, if it’s not a big deal, I think Kerry should just release it. If he just had combat stress or something or wrote in his journal that he was frustrated with his family or something like that, I think it would be a lot better to take away one thing for the Republicans to hide behind than to worry about having to say, “Yeah, during the Vietnam War 40 years ago when I was barely out of my teens, I was feeling stressed sometimes, just like about everyone else’s Vietnam Vet dad or brother was back then.”

  • Right, Kerry will hand over copies, Nose Pickens will hang on to them forever and then claim it looks like they’ve been altered, more allegations will ensue. But he’ll look like a cheap prick.

    He really ought to hold on to his cash. He’s going to need to do a lot more swiftboating as more and more vets come back from Iraq. (Turret Gunners for Truthiness?) Plus, some of his former BushBot pals will need help paying for their legal defense teams.

  • So…Pickens is lieing again?

    Turns out he will not pay a million to anyone who proves he lied. He’ll pay anyone EXCEPT Kerry, unless Kerry jumps through hoops first?

    Is there something in the Oil that makes all oil investors…lie lie lie?

  • Sound like a counter offer might be in order. How about this: Picken stops trying to welsh out on his bet by moving the goalpost and honors his original challenge, Kerry kicks his ass and the Paralyzed Veterans of America get a very generous and much-needed donation. Sounds like a fair deal.

    Kerry might even sweeten the deal and show how big a guy he is by offering to make the contribution jointly, in both their names. After all, it is a gentleman’s wager — or was, until Pickens insisted on proving himself once again to be no gentleman (for the benefit of anyone who’s been living under a rock the last 4 years or so).

  • If we’re going to go jerking the goal posts around, how about if 1000 different people prove Kerry is right. Will Perkins cough up a billion? He didn’t say just one person, he said anyone. Um,,,,,,yeah, I thought so. Weasels don’t like it when weasel words are used against them.

  • If Kerry’s records confirm that he shot some enemy in the back after the enemy was routed and fleeing an engagement, then Kerry shouldn’t be scared of releasing that, either. I was read a big book of military strategy about a month ago and the author was detailing all the types of jobs modern infantries do. He pretty matter-of-factly explained that after the enemy is routed and flees, the default thing to do is chase after them and kill them, because it’s very dangerous and a risk to all your lives to let them go– they could resume the attack and be firing rocket-proppelled grenades at you as soon as they find some cover. Remember, this is exactly the situation Kerry was supposed to have been in. So in some instances, shooting the enemy in the back is part of basic infantry tactics. When snipers shoot people, the targets aren’t “facing” them and don’t “see” them, even if the sniper sees the target’s face in the scope, when the sniper is up in the branches of some tree, or hiding under a camouflaged blanket on a hill, a mile away. So by maintaining sniper squadrons, we (and every other big, modern military) are maintaining large groups of people whose job specifically is to shoot people in the back.

    If I was a US combat troop fighting an enemy of the United States in war, personally would have no problem shooting 10,000 of the enemy in the back one at a time if that’s what it took to keep me and my fellow troops safe. It’s just not the same thing as shooting a person in the back not during wartime, which I think is what people really were talking about when it was first considered to be such a dishonorable act.

  • To me, it sounds like virtually anyone can show up with the current public record, and demand payment. Then slap Pickens with a lawsuit for breach of contract when he doesn’t pay up. And remember, in civil court the burden is a mere preponderance of the evidence (ie. more likely than not), a standard easily met by the current record. And it sure would be fun seeing a federal court definitively rule on the matter!

  • I think someone should put a million bucks if anyone can be found to verify that Bush went AWOL on his National Guard duty. Bush won’t allow his records to be released. What a chickenshit. He dodges the draft to get into the “Weekend Warriors” which we used to call the National Guard in the Sixties, then doesn’t even complete his tour? If that is true, it’s been the biggest Media Cover-up of the new Century so far.

  • Well, I wouldn’t mind shooting people in the back if it was justified and if the war was justified. And in those circumstances I wouldn’t limit it to 10,000 people- I’d shoot as many as it would take.

    But the basic point is Kerry shouldn’t worry about it making him look bad. If he was just some guy in your neighborhood, and not a politician, people would look up to him for shooting a VC soldier in the back and think it was cool- even if they thought the war was screwed up. That’s the dual-nature of how people feel about the Vietnam War.

  • Hum. Where was Kerry in 2004 when this issue should have been settled? He might even be president and the country in much better shape.

    If this rather useless media circus is going to continue then Kerry should take the high road, disprove just one of the contentions made in those scurilous ads, claim the money and make Pickens look like the fool that he is. I would hope Kerry would expose the bait-and-switch routine, which may have been the whole plan to begin with.

  • To Swan,

    Kerry did release his records. In 2004, he had all his non medical records on his website, where they stayed for over a year. In 2005, to answer the RW and Tim Russert, he signed to let the Navy give all his records to three newspapers. All of the three newspapers said that the records were identical to those that were on the web site. There was only one extra page – that Senator Kerry likely did not have in 2004. It was an additional page to his last Vietnam fitness report recommending him for accelerated promotion and giving him the highest possible mark.

    The fitness reports that were on the web site and all the comments in Douglas Brinkley’s book from them or from people interviewed a few years before the SBVT got together all show an extremely good officer, unusually well liked by his men.

    In 2004, there were major gaps in Bush’s National Guard records, including a whole year where the only record is from a dental exam. Kerry’s records, on the other hand, covered the entire interval completely with no gaps. There was also nothing to suggest a problem in any report written. (It is also noteworthy that one document, near when he was leaving Vietnam, confirmed that he had been given the higher security clearance needed for the job with the Admiral to whom he was assigned in Brooklyn. The form requesting it very likely required his SBVT superiors to sign off on his character – did they lie on this or for George Bush?

    During the Kerry/Feingold Senate debate, Republican Senator Warner, a Vietnam era Secretary of the Navy, praised Kerry’s service and told him that he personally had checked his Silver Star award and that it was well deserved. Also, the Nixon tapes, not intended for the public, show that they did investigate him and found he was a clean cut war hero. There solution – an order to destroy him.

    Your idea of Senator Kerry putting up proof to absolutely disprove a list of the charges sounds like a great idea. During the campaign, his website had a “debunker” which did just that with those charges and other Republican lies.

  • karennj:

    Ok, I haven’t followed the Swift Boat controversy closely, and there was some commenter on this site recently claiming that Kerry did not release his records. According to you, it sound like they contravene the Swift Boat Veterans’ claims, so that is great.

    If all they’re expecting is his medical records, well, it seems really unlikely that stuff to support their claims would be contained in medical records. Kerry shouldn’t have to release personal records because of the lies of a few individuals.

    However people should know the real status of Kerry’s records when the righties claim that Kerry is hiding something by not releasing his military service records.

  • Swan,

    As you can see, the media, even now doesn’t help by pointing out that the Kerry records were always out.

    On the story of Kerry’s Silver Star, the other surviving skipper, who is now a Chicago Tribune editor wrote his story in 2004, which backed Kerry and was a clearer version of what happened than the Navy account. Note that the Chicago Tribune is a very conservative paper. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/elections/chi-040821rood,0,4945304.story?coll=chi-news-hed

    The other skipper’s wife heads an organization that was set up in 2006 to fight swiftboating. She said that her husband’s account of that day also backed Kerry.

    Additionally, Ted Kopel (Nightline) actually had an ABC crew go to the area where it occured. The villagers did remember that day and their version was compatible with the official Navy version – and they said the man shot was not a “boy” nor was he shot in the back.

    In Tour of Duty, the comments that Brinkley took from Kerry’s journal did not glorify it at all. They spoke instead of Kerry’s recognition that the parents of his entire crew and his own came close to being notified that their sons were lost. The tone was sobering, not jubilant.

    The problem, now and in 2004, is that the media was too lazy to use the information available or they were (and are) complicit in perpetuating a lie. After 2004, some Democrats, for their own purpose, opted to blame Senator Kerry for not responding, when in fact he did far more to disprove the charges than teh war room in 1992 did on

  • Kerry, just give your proof to the Paralyzed Veterans of America.
    Then they will have to go after Vets, again.

    That cash will never leave the bank, that would be an quasi-omission of error/guilt/misdeeds.

  • T. Boone Pickens (from his own congratulatory website) “is currently the chairman and CEO of BP Capital, which operates energy focused commodity and equity funds. ”

    The address of BP Capital is:

    BP Capital Management, L.P.
    8117 Preston Road
    Suite 260
    Dallas, TX 75225

    Telephone: 214.265.4165
    Fax: 214.750.0216
    E-mail: info@bpcap.net

    Given that Pickens has promised $1M to anyone who disproves any claim made in the Swift Boat Liar ads, and given there’s quite a bit of publicly available material that disproves claims made in those ads, I think as many people as possible should write to Pickens, present the material, claim their $1M.

  • Scottw714

    I like that suggestion! Ole T-Bone would attack the PV organization like a rabid dog, as he will anyone who presents proof that the SwiftBoaters were lying. Boy, talk about compassionate conservatism… Haven’t we heard that somewhere before?

  • T.Boone Pickens, who made his billions as a professional thief, green-mailer and bank-robber (an old Texas tradition in a state founded by slave catchers, thieves, murderers, back-alley assassins, worthless drunks and failed patriots – the background of the “Founding Fathers” of Texas: Bowie, Austin, Houston, Travis, etc.) has long been the poster boy for the old Texanism “He needed killin’!”

  • Don’t forget that Chicken Pickens moved the goalposts in at least one other very major way.

    At first he offered the money to anyone who could disprove ANYTHING the Slow Boaters claimed.

    Now he’s only willing to defend their ADS … in other words, their opinions.

    Why is he unwilling to defend their book? Their press releases, articles and opinion pieces, and media interviews?

    Could it be because … it’s easy Pickens?

  • karennj wrote:

    As you can see, the media, even now doesn’t help by pointing out that the Kerry records were always out.

    Well, if it’s just military medical records the right-wingers want out, they should specify that it’s medical records, because that puts the thing in a whole different light.

  • 12.
    On November 17th, 2007 at 11:30 am, Swan said:

    If Kerry’s records confirm that he shot some enemy in the back after the enemy was routed and fleeing an engagement, then Kerry shouldn’t be scared of releasing that, either.

    Swan, the after action report for the incident – which the Slow Boaters completely ignore, of course – states that the VC Kerry chased had been wounded by his forward gunner.

    http://homepage.mac.com/chinesemac/kerry_medals/PDFs/SeaLords270.pdf
    (screen #3)

    It was never a secret, and it was part of the information available to the Navy when they awarded him the medal.

    As to shooting the VC in the back, Kerry and Medeiros, who was right behind Kerry, deny that. In addition, a Swift Boat officer who looked at the body at the scene has written that he definitely was not shot in the back, but in the side:

    http://homepage.mac.com/chinesemac/kerry_medals/PDFs/Gibson.pdf

  • 17.
    On November 17th, 2007 at 1:30 pm, karennj said:

    To Swan,Kerry did release his records. In 2004, he had all his non medical records on his website, where they stayed for over a year. In 2005, to answer the RW and Tim Russert, he signed to let the Navy give all his records to three newspapers. All of the three newspapers said that the records were identical to those that were on the web site. There was only one extra page – that Senator Kerry likely did not have in 2004. It was an additional page to his last Vietnam fitness report recommending him for accelerated promotion and giving him the highest possible mark.

    Right. In addition, they are simply unwilling to do their homework.

    Almost everything they dispute can be proven or disproven by the records they already have in their hands, or through searching the military archives or submitting FOIA requests.

    Kerry’s confidential records are almost exclusively his personnel records, which have been released and are not in dispute, and his medical records, which have been made available for inspection – and are also not in dispute. Almost everything else they demand – after action reports, personnel casualty reports, award recommendations, citations – are public records available through the archives or FOIA. Of course most of those things have been provided by the Kerry campaign anyway.

    Lazy, lazy.

  • Isn’t backing down. Right. What a joke, he didn’t stand up to them when he was running because he could not disprove what they were saying. And what has he done since? Nothing. Boot licker.

  • All one has to say is… Seared, seared into my memory. The story he had told for decades was proven to be a lie.

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