Key Clinton backer says some whites ‘not ready’ for black president

Looking back over the last couple of months, it seems every controversial remark from the Clinton campaign has come by way of one of her surrogates, not the candidate. Hillary Clinton, to her enormous credit, is extraordinarily disciplined, very bright, and loath to commit dangerous gaffes on the campaign trail.

But those speaking for her, keep causing needless distractions — Bob Kerrey, Bob Johnson, Billy Shaheen, and even on occasion Bill Clinton have all made comments the campaign probably wishes they could take back.

I’m curious, though, whether Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell (D), a key Clinton backer and former DNC chairman, fits into the same category.

Gov. Ed “Don’t Call Me ‘Fast Eddie’ ” Rendell met with the editorial board of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette last week to talk about his latest budget. But before turning the meeting over to his number-crunchers, our voluble governor weighed in on the primary fight between Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama and what the Illinois senator could expect from the good people of Pennsylvania at the polls:

“You’ve got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate,” he said bluntly. Our eyes only met briefly, perhaps because the governor wanted to spare the only black guy in the room from feeling self-conscious for backing an obvious loser. “I believe, looking at the returns in my election, that had Lynn Swann [2006 Republican gubernatorial candidate] been the identical candidate that he was — well-spoken [note: Mr. Rendell did not call the brother “articulate”], charismatic, good-looking — but white instead of black, instead of winning by 22 points, I would have won by 17 or so.”

I know I have a habit of sometimes zoning out in these meetings, but it sounded to me like Mr. Rendell had unilaterally declared Pennsylvania to be Alabama circa 1963. Was he suggesting that Pennsylvanians are uniquely racist in ways that folks in the states Mr. Obama has won so far aren’t?

At first, I thought Rendell was making some kind of clumsy general-election electability argument, suggesting Clinton would fare better against McCain because of latent electoral racism. But if this report is accurate, Rendell seemed to argue that Clinton would win the primary because of latent racism among Pennsylvania Democrats.

Now, it’s worth noting that Rendell’s comments were not entirely over the line, at least as far as I can tell (I didn’t hear the broader context). It’s likely that Rendell was just trying to make some kind of sociological observation — there are some white racists out there, and their bigotry may very well lead them to oppose Obama. Rendell didn’t say that this was a good thing, only that the problem exists.

Indeed, Obama himself has made similar comments.

“Sure there are some people who will not vote for me because I’m black and there are some people who will vote for me because I am black,” he said. “But I think most Americans are looking for a candidate who can get them affordable health care and less dependent on foreign oil.”

Fair enough. But is it not fair to say that Rendell went way off-message on this one, especially given his role as a high-profile Clinton backer in one of the nation’s largest states? Put it this way: reporters in Pennsylvania are about to call Clinton HQ and ask, “Ed Rendell says Clinton will benefit in the Democratic primary because there are racists out there. What does the senator think about this?” It’s not exactly the question the team wants to hear.

Of course, I’d be remiss if I neglected to mention, for those of you who aren’t as familiar with Rendell’s background, that he has a history of popping off and making embarrassing comments. From an October 2000 profile:

At first glance, Ed Rendell looks serene. He is sprawled on a patio outside his office, feet propped up, neck arching back to take in the sun. But the silence is fleeting. In an instant, Rendell, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, is upright, ready to answer questions. Or bark at his aides. Or field calls from party operatives. Or do all three simultaneously. For the next 90 minutes, Rendell talks incessantly. Legend has it that when he was mayor of Philadelphia, Rendell would schedule four meetings concurrently, in adjoining rooms, so he could conduct them all at the same time.

Rendell’s words come fast and unfiltered. He leaps from Bill Clinton (“a fascinating character study!”) to his role in the Gore campaign (“I’ve never been an attack dog”) to his demeanor (“Sure, I have a temper”). And then, as is his wont, Rendell says something he should not: “I basically take orders from twenty-seven-year-old guys in Nashville who have virtually no real-life experience. All they’ve done is been political consultants living in an artificial world, and basically their opinion counts more than mine.”

With comments like that, it’s not hard to see why. Indeed, Rendell’s tenure as DNC chairman has been one long, off-the-cuff rant. The media love it (Chris Matthews of “Hardball” calls Rendell “a real mensch”). But Democrats aren’t so smitten and are working hard to marginalize their party’s titular head. “The trick,” says one Democratic consultant, “is to keep him in a position where he can’t do any harm.”

My hunch is, someone from the Clinton campaign will be giving him a call this afternoon. Whether it makes any difference remains to be seen.

Per your last blockquote, this guy and Chris Matthews sound like a match made in heaven.

  • That’s great, Rendell is admitting that PA Dem voters are as every bit racist as PA GOP voters!

  • This is just another sign that the House of Clinton is about to fall.

    The Clinton’s use of the race card this campaign has been disgusting. Dirty Clinton politics.

  • Per JRS Jr:

    “That’s great, Rendell is admitting that PA Dem voters are as every bit racist as PA GOP voters!”

    Hilarious. I don’t agree, but still hilarious!

  • Nothing quite like racism by proxy.

    “Sure, I would vote for a black man, but other people wouldn’t, so why bother?”

  • The Clinton response should be, ‘sure, some people won’t vote for Obama because he’s black, and some won’t vote for Clinton because she’s a woman, but those people are few. And by the time this primary is over, there will be a lot fewer as they come to realize we have two great Democratic candidates, both of whom are ready and anxious to reverse the damage that Bush and his party have done during the past seven years.’ But I won’t hold my breath.

    As for Rendell, he strikes me as a clown. Swan wasn’t much of a candidate from what I recall and ran a lousy campaign. As an old Steelers fan, I try to forget all that and remember how much fun he was to watch on the field.

  • “…Mr. Rendell did not call the brother “articulate”], charismatic, good-looking — but white instead of black, instead of winning by 22 points, I would have won by 17 or so.”

    That’s the part I love. Rendell didn’t say Swann wouldn’t have won had he been white, but that Rendell wouldn’t have beaten QUITE the shit out of him had he been white. Still would have won big, but not quite so big…

  • This one falls under the category “so what?”. Rendell is a lot like Charlie Rangel – generally very frank, humorous, not overly cautious, and not overly sensitive. He might have been better off saying, “no big deal,” but he likes to engage people. I think it is safe to say that Clinton has told all her high-level supporters and advisors to be careful, but Ed is Ed.

  • I know I have a habit of sometimes zoning out in these meetings, but it sounded to me like Mr. Rendell had unilaterally declared Pennsylvania to be Alabama circa 1963. Was he suggesting that Pennsylvanians are uniquely racist in ways that folks in the states Mr. Obama has won so far aren’t?

    No, and Rendell’s penchant for bringing up counterproductive subjects is matched by the reporter’s own over-the-top interpretation of it.

  • […]there are some white racists out there, and their bigotry may very well lead them to oppose Obama. Rendell didn’t say that this was a good thing, only that the problem exists.

    There are probably a lot of Democratic misogynists out there too, who may not vote for Hillary Clinton. But I wouldn’t expect anyone talking seriously about the primary to give their sway on electability credence, just like it’s disappointing that Rendell went down the road he did…

    It’s one thing for Obama to acknowledge the challenges he faces with race, or for Clinton to acknowledge the challenges she may face with gender, but for the other camp to bring it up starts to look like they’re trying to make it an issue…

  • The Clinton’s use of the race card this campaign has been disgusting. Dirty Clinton politics.

    Again, I might point out that this isn’t half of what we’re going to see by the time of the general election. Clinton’s use of the “race card” has been positively tame compared to what we’re going to see from the GOP come November. I fully expect radio commercials with jungle drums in the background and direct mailings where the racism is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

    Rendell is saying something here that may or may not be true. In his estimation some PA Dems have a racist streak in them. I think that’s true – some Dems DO have a racist streak in them. Because some people have a racist streak in them. The question is – do a sizeable enough majority of PA Dems have enough of a racist streak in them that it throws the whole thing to Clinton. Even given that, in addition to a racist streak, some PA Dems are also going to have a sexist streak?

    Personally, I think Rendell is wrong. I don’t think that PA Dems are any more racist than any other Dems. I think Clinton has fairly strong support in PA because the demographics are older and working class and she does well among older working class voters (so if you want to attribute that to racism you can, but I suspect that older working class voters are as likely to trend sexist as much as they are racist). But now if Clinton wins it’s be “proof” that PA Dems are racist.

    He needs to learn to keep his trap shut. He’s always spouting of embarassing bits of idiocy. I’m surprised that PA has kept him around as long as they have.

  • PA.- Between Pittsburgh and Philly you have Alabama!

    I don’t think it it’s so anymore, at least I hope not!

    Rendell is a long time Clinton supporter.

  • This is a critical time for the Clintons. They prepared for a 3 round fight and theyare in the 6th round, gassed with no where to turn. Out of money, failing campaing management. They are the Mike Tyson-like bully who can’t win in a fair fight, so they will bite their opponent’s ear. So Hillary will cry. Worked once, not the second time. Then she will play the fear card (ready on day 1), and the victim card (pimping chelsea) and now the race card.

    Obama won in Nebraska (nearly all white), won in Iowa (nearly all white), won in New Hampshire (nearly all white), won in Washington (nealy all white) and beat her in Alaska. Rendell is a bloated, pompous boot licker of the Clintons. These tactics backfire and they are not true. In most of these largely “white” states, Obama kicked beat her badly. Keep talkin’ Hillary troopers, the end is near.

  • You know what’s cool? The people who vote based on racist or mysoginist thinking are becoming so marginalized that we can almost ignore people like Rendell.

    We’ve come a long way, baby.

    What kinda bothers me is that if (or when!) Obama (or Clinton) get dealt a bad hand, if the world goes to shit for some reason outside their control, to a large number of idiots it’ll be the fault of blacks (or women). And the chances are that the next president is going to have a very hard time doing a lot with the hand they’re going to be dealt. Deficits, recession, a pointless war, another war that’s on the rocks, and a wave of boomers retiring, it all adds up to a stacked deck, most of which is courtesy of the Republicans.

    I hope they’re up to it.

  • I wouldn’t read too much into it–having lived in Philly during the Rendell years, sometimes he just can’t help himself. But really, why should we care about a state politician’s off-the-cuff sociological observations.

    That’s Ed for you!

  • PA.- Between Pittsburgh and Philly you have Alabama!

    Here in the Northeast, we prefer to call that part of the state “Penntucky”

  • Just today I kicked a customer out of my place of business for telling a salesperson (I overheard this from my office) “I hate all f***ing n*******s” I promptly and with colorful language removed him from the office. It is the 21st century! Maybe the people of PA need to remove this a-hole from his office as well.

  • I keep trying to come up with a civil response to this…nonsense, but I just can’t. It’s an abhorrent tactic and this Rendell fool should be damned well ashamed of himself. I hope it gets the same response that hinting we shouldn’t vote for Clinton because some people aren’t ready for a woman would deserve.

    I’m sure there are people out there who are racist and/or sexist enough to look at the color of Obama’s skin or Clinton’s gender and discount their intelligence, commitment, and ideas. However, it’s pretty insulting to suggest that those sexists/racists are anything more than a hateful, outdated fringe element who deserve nothing other than a moment of pity. If that.

  • Oy vey. When public officials make pseudo-sociological observations like these, it makes me think of the dimwitted vice president played by John Heard in the 1996 comedy My Fellow Americans. Anyone remember that scene where he accidentally hits a black man with a golf ball, and proceeds to make outrageous, embarrassing comments?

  • This is one of those things, like “but conservative really hate her”, that doesn’t fly with me. I don’t base my vote on the prejudices of others. So, some won’t vote for him. The risk is far outweighed by the benefits of having a black nominee with a Muslim name — or a woman. If you can’t take a risk like this when things are this stacked in our favor, you never will.

    Vote for the best candidate, ignoring the racist/sexist/hate component.

  • This is a highly racist comment and extremely typical, andd I have a hard time understanding how anyone who has spent any time actually listening to bigots speak could interpret it otherwise. Racists like this want to sound high minded so they won’t admit to their own racism, but instead project it onto everyone else around them.

    I lived in Pennsylvania in the early 90’s. I often miss it but not today. If I lived there, I would feel compelled to donate a lot of money to whoever challenges Rendell the next time around. Clinton has been pretty good in the past about chastising people on her campaign when they do stuff like this (I will NOT be drawn into a debate regarding whether she puts them up to it in the first place to see how it flies); if she acts any differently this time I will have a hard time forgiving her.

  • Ben @19

    That’s strange. I had a somewhat similar experience today while standing in line to pay for my lunch.Except it was a black man, who claimed that a “bitch would just fuck things up”. He went on to say that it was time for “the black man to even things up”.
    I feel certain that he is in the fringe minority of AA’s, however, it was unsettling to know that there are people who think like this on both sides of the aisle. I left there thinking that it’s a damn shame that ignorance isn’t painful.

    Hopefully, one good thing to come from having a woman, and an African American run for President is that some of this ugliness will be brought into the light, where it can wither like rotten grapes on a vine.

  • This isn’t anything to ponder or pore over. It’s true. Just as it’s true that some Democrats “aren’t ready” for a female president. Them’s the facts.

    Don’t like the facts? The Republican Party is that-a-ways. – – ->

  • I voted for Obama in the Connecticut primary – I need to state that first. When Obama gets the nomination you will look back at this time with mild amusement. Obama will be ground down into the dirt by the GOP. Swift-boating with Kerry was nothing – so hold on to your hats. I don’t know why everyone gets so worked up with these “so called racist” statements. I am ready for a black president but there are many many Americans that will never vote for a black man – and that is the truth!

  • Neither racism, nor sexism, is going to go away. And it is hardly just an American way of life. If i had a nickel for every time an Austrian or a German told me that (insert pejorative adjective of your choice here) Jews ran America, i’d be rich. I’ve seen Europeans get up on a bus and move like four seats because an African sat down. And don’t even get your average German started on Turks.

    In Russia, n***** is just the word they use for anyone who isn’t white. Though i must say that i loved reading the rental ads that said, “Caucasians need not apply.” Yes, they were actually referring to people from the mountainous area of Central Asia, but it made me laugh every time anyhow.

    And i’ll never forget the Welshman who told me this joke, “You know why we don’t have any 90 degree corners in Britain? So that the Arabs can’t open up a store.” He was what you’d call a hippie, no less.

    Of course, many people in these countries were quick to point out to me what a racist country i come from. There are always counter examples, but an argument could be made that the US is actually one of the less racist countries in the world. Don’t expect the English to elect a Pakistani Prime Minister any time soon.

  • Whoa, there. He didn’t say he wanted it that way; he merely stated his view of the political landscape.

    I would have thought it backward, too, but my 83-year-old mother-in-law said (during the Superbowl) that she couldn’t vote for a black man. By November, I hope to have her turned around, but I’m not so sure.

    If reality has a liberal spin, let’s stick to reality. There are folks who will not vote for a black man. The poll I saw the other day (on Agonist, I think) suprised me that 11% would not vote black. (Or was that wouldn’t vote woman?) Luckily, there was a greater percentage that would never vote for a 72 year old. I’ll try to dig up the link.

  • I would just like to respond to those who call this comment racist and from the Clinton camp. It isn’t.
    First, Rendell is not a Clinton spokesperson. He is and always has been a loose cannon who speaks his mind and doesn’t let anyone dictate to him what he says. Indeed since he showed up in a press conference with Bloomberg the other day- you may as well call him Bloomberg spokesman.
    Second, it really is a comment about the Philadelphia and other state voters he knows. He is not endorsing it- he is just stating his opinion as to what moves those voters.
    Third, as a resident of Philly during the Rizzo years and during the reaction to John Street’s we are taking the city back for the brothers and the sisters- Philadelphia has public racists both ways. A small percentage of the population but one that clearly exists. Noting that fact, sad fact though it may be, is not racist. And note Rendell did note it was probably only affecting a small percentage of the vote. Not discussing these subjects openly is the problem since it keeps people from speaking openly and allows the racism to thrive in the shadows.
    What I think you have hear is a Reporter who has an agenda making a big deal about an off-the -cuff analysis that really wouldn’t surprise anyone who heard it in Pennsylvania in the hopes of getting some national press.

  • There’s plenty of hatred to go around to prevent any of the candidates from getting elected, if one choses to look at things that way. Some people may hate blacks, some may hate women in office, but there are also a great, great many people who hate what the Republicans have done to this country and won’t vote for McCain or Huckabee either.

    Ed Rendell needs to open his eyes and see a record number of people are pouring into this year’s primaries and caucuses to vote FOR something. And for now they are outnumbering the racists and misogynists. Ed, you’re sounding like a small man with small ideas who is trying to back a desperate campaign. Do your candidate a favor and don’t do her any more favors.

  • But those speaking for her, keep causing needless distractions

    Does this include (significant list deleted for negative impact on bandwidth) here???

  • The reporter omits all specifics about what preceded this statement by Rendell. Did someone ask him a question about Obama’s chances in Pennsylvania, whether there were voters who would reject him simply because of his race?

    Beyond that, it is clear that Rendell was providing an off the cuff assessment. It is not racist for him to give his opinion about the extent of racism among Pennsylvania voters, and it is not “playing the race card” for him to give his opinion either. By Rendell’s assessment, about 5% of the voters have racist tendencies. (22%-17%). Is that an unreasonable assessment for ANY state?

    The press and certain Obama supporters are desparate to paint the Clintons as “playing the race card” or even as racist themselves. It is like when the press claimed that Gore said he invented the internet. Every incident is taken out of context and misrepresented. Hillary Clinton says LBJ’s political skills were crucial to passing civil rights legislation. To the press it becomes a slur against MLK. Bill Clinton was asked why it took both him and Hillary to take on Obama in South Carolia. He says that Jesse Jackson did well there, implying that there is a built-in demographic advantage to Obama in that state. Literally hundreds of political analysts made the same point before South Carolina. The whole country knew Obama had an advantage there– and there’s nothing wrong with that. JFK got probably 90% of the Irish Catholic vote. For every demographic group, it’s thrilling to see ‘one of our own’ break through barriers. Yet if a Clinton or one of their supporters makes this observation it’s racist! Is it ever condemned as sexist to say Hillary Clinton has an advantage among women voters? Yet you hear that all the time.

    You have to be a real conspiracy theorist to imagine that Hillary Clinton ordered Rendell to say this. It was impolitic because of the way the press and certain Obama supporters will jump on it, but it is not racist and it is not playing the race card.

  • Just one more thing before you start attacking Rendell- he can certainly be an idiot but its not like this reporter necessarily gave all Rendell’s comments. indeed, he admits he wasn’t paying attention except for the one statement he wants to make a big deal about. For all you know Rendell made equal statements about sexism.
    And again it really seems desperate for Obama’ supporters to scream racism every time any Clinton supporter no matter who it is says anything that isn’t complimentary to Obama.

    You are really going to regret that stance when the GOP tries to tie every misstatement that The Rev. Wright says to Obama.

    If you want to criticize, and rightly so, the attempts to tie Wright’s endorsement of Farrakhan to Obama then you can’t on the other hand also claim that every misstatement made by a Hillary supporter should be considered to be her statement.

    Neither candidate control their supporters and neither are responsible for every single word that their supporters say- just as Obama isn’t responsible for the crimes that Rezko committed.

    But if you are gonna play this gotcha game (and the title of this thread certainly does by calling Rendell a Key supporter) then you are going to look pretty damn hypocritical when you start seeing headlines Key Obama Supporter saya Farrakan is right on the issues.

    Can we all keep our eye on the prize and stop these idiotic games of trying to make the candidates responsible for every wayward remark of their supporters which no one would care about if the election between Obama and Hillary wasn’t close.

    Don’t play GOP games because then you can’t complain when they are turned on you. You can only do knock them down by recognizing that such arguments are intellectually bankrupt.

  • I’m an Obama supporter who has lived in PA most of my life.

    And I absolutely agree with Gov. Rendell.

    There are a lot of conservative Democrats in all regions of Pennsylvania, and it is a simple fact that some of them will never, under any circumstances, vote for a black man for President.

    I live in Levittown, PA — a heavily blue-collar, union-member Democratic area. This is also the place that the Pennsylvania State Police had to forcibly integrate in 1958.

    Not far from here is Northeast Philadelphia, where Democratic Mayor Frank Rizzo used to mobilize his supporters by urging them to “Vote White.”

    And this is just Southeastern PA. I’m not even getting into the region some folks call Pennsyltucky.

    Does this mean that Sen. Obama cannot win the Democratic primary in Pennsylvania? Of course not. (I find that most folks around here object to the fictional claim that Obama is a Muslim, rather than his race.) But it is a fact of life. And it is something that I’m sure the Obama campaign is anticipating.

  • I grew up in Pennsylvania. I knew lots of racists and sexists there. (The KKK had a pretty good membership in my area; membership in hate groups is one of the largest of any state in the country.) Some bigots identified as Republicans. Some bigots identified as Democrats. It seems like part of the issue is that these are comments that would make sense to most people within the context of the state, but make no sense at all to most people that haven’t spent much time in Pennsylvania.

  • The reporter omits all specifics about what preceded this statement by Rendell. Did someone ask him a question about Obama’s chances in Pennsylvania, whether there were voters who would reject him simply because of his race?

    Dan S #36

    [Gasp!] are you suggesting a professional journalist would play fast and loose with the facts by reporting a quote without any context in order to generate a controversy where none exists? Are you suggesting a reporter would dare do such a thing during a presidential election year?

    Shocked! I am SHOCK –

    No, I’m not. Never mind.

    And no, I don’t really find it amusing that the average news story is little more than a Rorschach inkblot.

  • There are a lot of conservative Democrats in all regions of Pennsylvania, and it is a simple fact that some of them will never, under any circumstances, vote for a black man for President.

    If that’s the case, then I can’t WAIT for those so called “Democrats” to vote for John McCain instead. Who wants a party that tacitly tolerates racism (or sexism) because it’s a reality we just have to face? I would rather lose because DINOs are too bigoted to support the nominee than win because we went with the safest candidate that won’t offend the neanderthals in the party.

    Screw that. Real Democrats are better than that.

  • Wow, let’s see how this plays in Philadelphia.

    I just had to have someone help me pick up my jaw from the floor. When’s this guy up for re-election? — Algernon
    He’ll be out of office next year, due to term limits.

  • The trick is that the racists and sexists in the Democratic party aren’t going to admit their prejudice is the reason they will oppose Obama or Clinton. Nope, they’ll drag up some other excuse and to appease their own consciences they’ll flog that excuse all accross the internet.

  • I don’t get it. What’s wrong with pointing out that Rendell’s handlers are wonks? For the twenty-seven-years-olds out there who don’t understand why their lack of life experience might generate some resentment, let’s put it in perspective. Let’s say they have to start taking orders from 14-year-olds.

    And what’s wrong with pointing out that there are white racists? The Clinton campaign, if asked the question, can say, that’s true. There are also sexists out there. And some of both types of people occupy states north of the Mason Dixon line. And some of them are Democrats. And the sky is not falling.

    I’m so sick of this kind of pointless hand-wringing. Get over it.

  • As suspected, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reporter, Tony Norman, omitted something from the quotation which makes Rendell’a statement sound more balanced. The very next sentence after what is excerpted above is
    “But on the other hand that’s counterbalanced by Obama’s ability to bring new voters into the into the into the (sic) electoral pool.”
    I just saw this on today’s (Wednesday) Hardball, where Chris Matthews is giving time to Rendell to defend himself because the two have always been buddy-buddy. (Usually Matthews is at the front of the brigade of journalists who thrive on taking things out of context.)

  • Governer Rendell is a tool for the Clintons. using the race card in subtle way, I am a staunch Democrat and voted twice for Bill Clinton, if Hillary is the Democrat nominee, for the first time in my life, I am a 55 year old African Woman, I will consider voting for John Mcain depending on his running mate, using racial scare tactics will not work in the 21th Century.

  • I will vote for Mrs Clinton. I’m from Russia. I’m white. I think Mr Obama will protect black people. Black people have many privileges in U.S. They always ask more help. If they want have equal respect, other communities should have same privileges. I don’t like how black people live. I don’t think them intelligent. A black community is not safe because of crimes, dirty. Those people don’t clean their land. I am from different country; I am poor I don’t trust black people.

  • I’m growing quite curious as to what exactly the race relations in Pennsylvania is like. I’ve heard many commentators describe Pennsylvania as “Philadelphia in the east, Pittsburgh in the west and Alabama in the middle” meaning “white Alabama”. Even your Gov. Ed Rendell acknowledges the contribution racism played in his election into office.

    I always believed Obama would lose Pennsylvania, but I didn’t think it was because Pennsylvanians are racist.

    I guess some things will never change.

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