Kristol wants to re-engage in a debate over Saddam’s terror ties

As was widely reported this week, the Pentagon has prepared a new report on non-existent ties between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein’s regime. The document is the culmination of an exhaustive review of more than 600,000 Iraqi documents that were captured after the 2003 U.S. invasion. Not surprisingly, officials discovered what we already knew — there was no “direct operational link” between Hussein’s Iraq and al Qaida before the invasion.

As the war enters its sixth year, this was yet another embarrassment for the Bush administration, which seemed intent on not only downplaying the significance of the report, but also making the report itself less accessible.

But leave it to Bill Kristol to embrace the report as proof of how right he and the White House have been all along. Indeed, in his new Weekly Standard piece, he complains that the Bush gang didn’t use the report as a political cudgel to bludgeon their critics.

If you talk to people in the Bush administration, they know the truth about the report. They know that it makes the case convincingly for Saddam’s terror connections. But they’ll tell you (off the record) it’s too hard to try to set the record straight. Any reengagement on the case for war is a loser, they’ll say. Furthermore, once the first wave of coverage is bad, you can never catch up. […]

So, this week’s fifth anniversary of the start of the Iraq war will bring us countless news stories reexamining the case for war, with the White House essentially pleading nolo contendere…. The president has a responsibility to help the American people understand the nature of the threat we faced in 2003 and the threats we face today — how terror groups work, the extent of state sponsorship, and how that sponsorship transcends Sunni-Shia or secular-jihadist differences.

It’s not too late. Bush can still override his cautious aides and tell the American people the whole truth about the situation we faced in 2003 and would face today if Saddam were still in power. This is more than a matter of political advantage. It is a requirement of war leadership.

Let’s unpack this, just a little.

The point of the Pentagon report was to scrutinize Saddam Hussein’s alleged ties to al Qaeda, which turned out to be non-existent. As McClatchy’s report explained, “President Bush and his aides used Saddam’s alleged relationship with al Qaida, along with Iraq’s supposed weapons of mass destruction, as arguments for invading Iraq after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.” These claims turned out to be false, which makes the Pentagon’s report newsworthy.

But, Kristol said, Saddam did have ties to terrorism. That’s true, and no one has suggested otherwise. Saddam was a brutal thug with a bloody and vicious agenda, but he wasn’t connected to 9/11 and he wasn’t in league with al Qaeda. Kristol may find this inconvenient, but facts are stubborn things.

What’s more, as ABC News reported this week, Saddam’s support for terrorism was rather specific — and not targeted at the U.S.

The report says Saddam’s bureaucrats carefully recorded the regime’s connections to Palestinian terrorists groups and its financial support for the families of suicide bombers.

The primary target, however, of Saddam’s terror activities was not the United States, and not Israel. “The predominant targets of Iraqi state terror operations were Iraqi citizens, both inside and outside of Iraq.” Saddam’s primary aim was self preservation and the elimination of potential internal threats to his power.

But Kristol apparently doesn’t care. He wants to be right, he wants the Bush White House to say that he’s right, and he’s unconcerned about the details of a Pentagon report that prove he’s wrong. If news outlets highlight the report, the media is being “misleading.” Why? Because they’re not emphasizing the bogus angles Kristol likes best, while leaving the pesky details (i.e., the truth in relation to the administration’s claims) on the editing room floor.

Remind me, why did the New York Times give this guy one of the most prestigious jobs in American journalism?

don’t give him any credance by even noticing him.

he should be ignored. they can publish him, but no one needs to read him or talk about him.

ignore him and he will go away… like the school yard bully

  • The New York Times is a corporation, Corporations support fascism. They are Fascist machines. They are run by other, highly educated Fascists.
    Kristol is a Fascist.
    You wonder why they gave this ass-clown the job?

  • Kristol needs to look into the mirror and recognize that Saddam is staring back at him. Both guys have (had) selfish political agendas that involve staying in a position of power at any cost, suppressing dissent, not caring that lives are being lost and misery is a price to advance their agendas, proving that they are always right no matter what and blatantly telling lies with little regard for the obvious truth. The big difference is Saddam used violence and Kristol uses a computer and the media. Birds of a feather…

  • “…this was yet another embarrassment for the Bush administration…”

    sorry, the bush administration has time and time again proven itself absolutely incapable of being embarrassed about anything!

  • How does no “direct operational link” between Hussein’s Iraq and al Qaida become non-existent ties between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein’s regime? I keep asking that question and there have been no valid answers provided.

  • SteveIL, that’s probably because you keep wanting to nit-pick three lousy sentences from a 94-page PDF that was originally a 350-page tome from an intel think-tank that, although it’s a private scenario gaming outfit, keeps trying to promote itself as an integral part of DoD. Based on your model of thinking, one might arguably suggest that the GOP has operational links to al Quaida.

    That suggestion, of course, would include the criminal in the WH who ignored pre-9/11 intel, who allowed bin Laden to escape Tora Bora, and who summarily declared bin Laden to be of no serious consequence. It would also, by logical default, include McCain as a furtherance of the bin Laden/al Quaida issue.

    Your entire argument is hinged on an alleged communication between an “agent” in an embassy and an “agent” in Baghdad, concerning the alliance of a group called “Army of Muhammad”—of which their were 14 such groups in existence at the time. Just as a reminder, the elite counterinsurgency units of both Jordan and Egypt—both supposedly targeted by Saddam during the time in question—both bear the “nickname” of AoM. So does a battalion of shock-troops in Turkey, an Iranian tank brigade, a Saudi infantry unit, a Kuwaiti elite-guards unit, and two of the “Rising” groups in Iraq who are currently working with US/coalition forces.

    In truth, the current policies of the Bush administration and its political tool, the GOP, has done more to enable al Quaida than a thousand Saddams ever could.

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  • Lars @ #1 raises a good point, except that Kristol isn’t the same as a schoolyard bully or a Comment Troll on a blog like this one. Kristol is supposed to be a respected voice expressing worthy ideas in a respectable newspaper.

    It’s best to ignore insignificant attention whores, but Kristol, Fox Propaganda, and their ilk are in a different category. They need to be challenged everywhere at all times so that their nonsense doesn’t become the conventional wisdom.

    Liberal media? What a crock!

  • Kristol is an idiot and a loser. He has no credibility left. He is one of those people who are blinded by their viewpoint and cannot see reality.

  • Speaking of idiots and losers, the “candidate and his pastor” thread has been hijacked by some fun folks who apparently came here from Stormfront, Steve. You might want to go take a look.

  • Lars:

    Kristol deserves to be ignored, sure, but in the kakistocracy that the Bush administration has created, Kristol occupies a position of prominence and influence. Sadly, people listen to him and are swayed by what he says.

    So Kristol needs to have his words held up against the truth and ridiculed. He needs his past predictions trotted out and contrasted with reality. He needs to be publicly embarrassed over and over again until he slinks away to some cushy wingnut welfare job.

    And then, and only then, he can be safely ignored.

  • Glenn Greewald put it nicely yesterday on another topic:
    Does The Weekly Standard ever publish anything at all — on any topic — that doesn’t turn out to be humiliatingly false?

  • Another jester entertaining the ‘king’ and his court.

    Is there no end to these FOOLs?

  • Steve (#6): SteveIL, that’s probably because you keep wanting to nit-pick three lousy sentences from a 94-page PDF…

    No, but I would like to know how “liberals” take the phrase “no direct connection” to being “no links”, “no ties”, and “no connection”. No matter how one tries to spin it, “no direct connection” has a completely different meaning than “no link”, “no ties”, and “no connections”. You’re going to have to do better than that.

    although it’s a private scenario gaming outfit, keeps trying to promote itself as an integral part of DoD Try reading about the IDA. It’s board of directors consists of people from the Carter, Reagan, Bush 41, and Clinton administrations. Sounds pretty bipartisan, don’t ya think?

    That suggestion, of course, would include the criminal in the WH who ignored pre-9/11 intel.. If you want to go down that road, fine. I would say it was the previous administration, with a President more interested in how he was going to explain away his understanding of sexual acts, and lying to a grand jury, than in going after bin Laden. Then, not bothering to really get the new Bush administration to take any more steps than it did. The fact that Richard Clarke turned out to be a back-stabbing weasel proved that, especially since he was so ineffective in the Clinton administration. But I digress. You see, I actually blame bin Laden for 9/11, not Clinton or Bush. Because that is what an American would do.

    Your entire argument is hinged on an alleged communication between an “agent” in an embassy and an “agent” in Baghdad,… Actually it isn’t my only argument; but you probably put in nothing more than a sliver of effort to read my comments, and just about the same amount reading this report.

  • Little Billy is indeeed the Chicken Little of the Chickenhawks.

    Iraq under Saddam was never a serious threat to the US. The only debate which was relevant AT THAT TIME was to have an effective containment and ultimately regime conversion policy. It is OBVIOUS that the policy picked by the President was, is and, will be one of the WORST FORIEGN POLICY DECISIONS ever made by the US.

    OSB and al-Qaeda have hit the big winner lotto with Bush’s actions.

    1) OSB and Saddam were enemies more than friends – we have wiped out one of OSB’s enemies.
    2) al-Qaeda did not exist in Iraq, now it does. Iraq is a FAILED country like Afghanistan.
    3) The US actions in Iraq have made more terrorists that we have destroyed. We have made the short term threat a bit smaller, but have made the long term threat a much bigger problem.
    4) The US military has been deployed into a battle it IS NOT SUPPOSED TO FIGHT. We do not have a military that is designed for long term occupation of enemy countries. We have tied our hands for using our military in other areas of the world and there is no possible way we can cope with holding any more of the Middle East than we already have (i.e. Iran). China and Russia love this stuff.
    5) We are bleeding our country dry of our finest people and our money. We do not have an unlimited supply.

    Electing another CLOWN who is prepared to STAY IN IRAQ 100 YEARS but does not understand economics is a disaster in the making. Typical fighter pilot – doesn’t understand it takes 50 people and millions of dollars to put his ass in that figther jet for EVERY freaking mission. War in the long term is LOGISTICS. The one who ignores his supply realities has lost. OSB loves these guys.

  • hats off to wingtip @ #7 … very astute reference ..

    kristol hasn’t been right about anything .. period .. and the NYTimes having hired him simply represents the current disgraced status of the old grey ladies former position among news sources ..

    michael gordon .. judith miller .. bill kristol .. administration-of-the-lost mouthpieces … three peas in a pod ..

    i don’t even look to the NYTimes for “news” anymore .. i’m just as well off listening to dana perino …

  • The only semblance of even an “indirect connection” is a query into the background of a sinngular group, the need to find out more about it, and a reply that is seems to be unilaterally aligned with bin Laden. No documentation that bin Laden has aligned with it; no documentation that bin Laden had even recognized its existence—just an off-the-cuff remark that “Army of Muhammad” has aligned ITSELF with al Quaida. That signifies a one-way street—and there were no further documentations beyond that last note to further implement a connection.

    Dead end. NO connection. NO interrelationship.

    Identifying “members of IDA (I’ve read their annual report by the way—love the “eternity” symbol on the cover, the glossy pics throughout suggesting that these bipedal hyperboloes somehow had big parts in the original nuclear triad design, the development of every major weapons system since 1958—oh, and their Big bad boasts about those wonderful Cold War years) does absolutely nothing to reduce the fact that they’re still a private gaming outfit. They have never been, are not now, nor will ever be an official part of DoD—but you peddle the report of a private company as being an official Defense Department document. Face it—these guys are th Halliburton of the Iraq report industry….

  • Steve (#6): SteveIL, that’s probably because you keep wanting to nit-pick three lousy sentences from a 94-page PDF…

    SteveIL (#14) No

    Yes.

  • The Pentagon is reporting? The same Pentagon that fouled up Bill Kristol’s glorious occupation? Why should we trust them???

  • Glenn Greewald put it nicely yesterday on another topic:
    Does The Weekly Standard ever publish anything at all — on any topic — that doesn’t turn out to be humiliatingly false? — Martin, @12

    That’s why I think “Weakly Substandard” would be a much more accurate name for that publication…

  • Why wouldn’t Kristol totally ignore the report and print fantasies that nurse his egos and ideologies? What exactly has been the penalty for being wrong? A job at the NY Times? Why would journalists expell the time and effort needed to be right when it’s so much more lucrative to be lazy and, consistently, wrong?

  • Good God. What will these pathetic attention whores do next?

    I hope it doesn’t involve removing clothes.

    Everyone else has said anything I could say (only better) and there’s no way I can top “Weakly Standard,” but I can’t resist pointing out this little glimmer of wrongness among the greater wrongness:

    with the White House essentially pleading nolo contendere

    Nolo contendere as defined by everyone by Kristol Method:

    Latin for “no contest.” In a criminal proceeding, a defendant may enter a plea of nolo contendere, in which he does not accept or deny responsibility for the charges but agrees to accept punishment.

    Yeah. And this week BushBrat pounded on the podium, stamped his feet and declared the decision to invade Iraq would 4evar be the right decision.

    Shut up Bill.

  • The report documents extensive ties between terror groups, including al Qaeda, and Saddam Hussein’s Iraq. The Clinton administration listed Iraq as a state sponsor of terrorism for eight years.

    So Steve Benen is either an illiterate or a liar spreading enemy propaganda. Sadly, this sort of blatant dishonesty is all too common on the angry left today.

  • why doesn’t the author talk about the selectively destroyed files and computer hard drives from the various archive depositories Saddam’s intelligences services did away with?

    why don’t the author and media talk about the photographic evidence on this website?
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  • A war supporter writes:

    “So Steve Benen is either an illiterate or a liar spreading enemy propaganda.”

    He accuses his opponent of being uneducated and/or a lying traitor working for al-Qa’ida, both claims which are clearly false.

    5-4-3-2-1…

    “Sadly, this sort of blatant dishonesty is all too common on the angry left today.”

    He then accuses Steve of being dishonest and of being angry, along with the rest of the left, presumably in contrast to his imagined cool temper and truthfulness.

    I suspect this troll – hiding under the pretentious name ‘Tell the Truth’ (something you should try one day, mate) is unaware of how he contradicted himself within two sentences.

    The rest of us noticed.

  • Next up, Kristol and his supporters will declare that the New England Patriots really did win Super Bowl XLII.

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  • Did you guys really read the whole report?

    I understand the very reasonable opposition to the war and this president but that report lays out a very damning case regarding Saddam Hussein’s links to Islamic terrorism, including al Qaeda’s #2 man, Ayman al Zawahiri.

  • Mark E.,

    Actually, it connects Saddam’s Iraq with the Egyptian Islamic Brotherhood, once prominently including Zawahiri. If you are aware of the history of that group, you may be aware that Zawahiri broke with them long ago — long before the contacts allegedly took place.

    This is how the report works its magic in the in the minds of those disposed to assert links between al Qaeda and Saddam, by only coloring part of the picture and leaving them to supply the rest from their febrile imaginations.

    Remember, it is far more effective, when the intent is to deceive, to tell a half-truth than an outright lie.

  • SHAKESPEARIAN TRAGEDY: Bush’s war-baiting swagger helped trigger 9/11? So to save face America blindly rallied behind what had won BIG for his father; War in Iraq. Military contractors, oil producers, documentary film makers, Islamic warheads all won. Losers were tax payers, oil consumers, soldiers (& families), Iraqi civilians and regional stability. All we really had to do was stay out of the cities and instead copy what works in the region; Buying peace with oil revenues [from the World’s 3rd largest reserves] Saddam could have been put on an allowence and even been allowed to stay in office.

    If we really feared an Iraqi WMD’s program, controlling their oil production revenues would have been a logical post 9/11 escalation of the existing and effective sanctions regime. But this approach of just guarding & maintaining the oil infrastructure and staying clear of urban-warfare wouldn’t have so lushly profited Bush/Cheney Pioneers? So instead we marched vainglorious on Baghdad, punching our fist into a multi-trillion dollar hornets nest…And now the stings!

  • Saddam’s primary aim was self preservation and the elimination of potential internal threats to his power.

    Of course, you could just as easily say: “Bush’s primary aim is self preservation and the elimination of potential internal threats to his power.”

  • Kristol is a failed replacement for WF Buckley.

    Buckley did his research and supported his fallacy. Kristol spouts ad hominem vitriol and water-cooler general consensus unsupported by fact. He’s like those people who write bogus memoirs.
    Wishing it were true does not make it so.
    Dick Cheney went on record saying “We know he has (WMD’s) we just need to find proof….???
    this was the guy who in 92 said that going in to Iraq would be a mistake. Were these men replaced by Pod People? I think so.

    But hey at least you can download mediocre dance tracks from a 22 year old prostitute….

  • The question is whether Saddam’s violations of the no-fly zone and other conditions, training of foreign terrorists in his country, harboring of known terrorists, and connections to any terror groups posed a threat to the United States or its allies. The report confirms Saddam actively trained foreign terrorists, some with links to al Qaeda. He also trained Iraqis to commit acts of terror. Now, how distant those links to al Qaeda were only matter to the extent that it posed or did not pose a threat to the United States or its allies. And, there’s the added question of Saddam training other foreign terrorists. Did any of those terrorists pose a threat to the United States or its allies? Obviously, the funding of Zawahiri, who eventually became a full-blown member of al Qaeda, is an example of how Saddam’s activities could harm the United States and its allies (and has, to the extent that Zawahiri supported 9-11 and other terrorist activities). Granted, we are talking about potential threats, not past operational ties that manifested in terror attacks. And here is the problem with all that–in the wake of 9-11 eliminating any potential threat became important. Keeping Saddam tied up with sanctions, no-fly zones, and oil for food policy failures while conducting a war against al Qaeda in Afghanistan was also an issue. Then you have the issue of the quality level of the intelligence. We now know that Saddam was, indeed, telling people he had WMD, according to his interviewer after he was captured. So we should understand what information our CIA was picking up. Considering all these issues, the real question is whether Bush took approprate action at the time. I’m not sure of the answer, but he did what he thought he had to do to keep the country safe. One can hardly damn the man, even in hindsight, for doing THAT! Weighing the potential of error based on the information at hand at the time, I probably would have done the same thing our President did, and I doubt, had Iraq been a more successful campaign that we would have this level of non-productive vitriol over his actions.

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