Kucinich accepts Fox News invite, blasts Dems’ top-tier candidates

The NYT reported over the weekend that the Congressional Black Caucus Institute’s scheduled presidential debate for Democratic candidates is moving forward, despite being co-sponsored by the Republicans’ Fox News Channel. When the Dems’ top three candidates — Clinton, Edwards, and Obama — announced that they would not participate, citing the network’s partisanship, it looked as if the event would collapse. At this point, organizers still hope to salvage a debate.

And for that, they’ll need candidates. Richardson initially said he wouldn’t attend, then said he’s undecided. Biden said he’d be there, while Dodd’s campaign wouldn’t say either way.

And then there’s Dennis Kucinich, whose campaign released a statement last night.

Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich said Sunday he would definitely participate in a September debate sponsored by the Congressional Black Caucus and scheduled to be broadcast on the Fox Television Network. Kucinich said for Sens. Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, and Barack Obama to skip the debate simply because it was to be broadcast on Fox was a snub of the Congressional Black Caucus.

“This is particularly troublesome because the concerns of African Americans should take precedent over what network is broadcasting the debate,” Kucinich said. “There are matters relating to employment, health care, education, jobs, rebuilding our cities, environment and civil rights that all presidential candidates have an obligation to address and debate. Those candidates planning to skip this debate clearly are trying to avoid a forum where there will be hard-hitting questions from people who may not agree with them. But taking questions from all sides is part of politics, and part of being President. I’m running to be President for all people in this country.”

For Kucinich to argue that Clinton, Edwards, and Obama are “snubbing” the Congressional Black Caucus is disingenuous. I know he knows better. Kucinich argues that concerns of African Americans “should take precedent” over the network cosponsoring the debate. In other words, he’s arguing that Clinton, Edwards, and Obama are more concerned with a Republican propaganda outlet than they are with issues affecting the African-American community.

This is cheap and unnecessary. Kucinich ought to be embarrassed.

Obviously, as a candidate struggling to break through, Kucinich wants as many opportunities as possible to confront the more credible candidates on a stage. He’s agreeing to participate for the same reasons Biden is — they want the free national publicity. There’s nothing wrong with this.

And if Kucinich wants to argue that Dems should appear on FNC, fine. Indeed, his statement on this includes a reasonable argument.

“America needs a President with the ability and willingness to unite people of diverse political views,” Kucinich said, “Let us never forget that the symbol of our country, the American eagle, needs two wings to fly – a left wing and a right wing. I’m prepared to reach out to all Americans.

“Certainly many Fox viewers are not part of the traditional Democratic base,” Kucinich said, “but they have a right to hear from the Democratic candidates and we as candidates have an obligation to reach out to them. Families who view Fox News have lost loved ones in Iraq, lost their jobs to NAFTA, and lost their homes to medical bills, just as have the viewers of other networks.”

Now, as regular readers know, I don’t find this persuasive, but it’s hardly ridiculous. I don’t see the logic in having Democratic candidates engaged in a Democratic primary debate in order to receive the Democratic nomination appear on the Republican network, but Kucinich says he feels differently. Fine.

But he had to push his luck. Instead of just making his case, he had to say the leading candidates want to “snub the Congressional Black Caucus.” Their concerns about African-American voters aren’t as strong as his.

Please. I’ll concede that Kucinich isn’t my favorite candidate anyway, but I really thought he was better than this.

At a guess, I’d say Elizabeth K. is thinking too much about the drapes in the White House.

  • “American Americans?” Count me in!

    I like the DK- he deserves much credit for often saying and doing the right thing while the other Dems cower.

    I think it’s up to the Congressional Black Caucus to decide if they feel snubbed by the other candidates. They may agree with Kucinich. They may not.

  • Well, he had to do something to distinguish himself from the legitimate candidates. Bravo, Dennis, way to lock up the support of the 20-30,000 democrats in the entire country who watch FoxNews. You’re well on your way to some 2% finishes.

  • Since he is the only candidate with the cajones to impeach the international criminals occupying the Executive Branch, Dennis Kucinich is my favorite Democratic candidate. However, Ron Paul (the Republican front-runner) is receiving my vote in 2008. How about a Paul/Kucinich ticket?

  • In more ‘I told you so’ news- long-time readers may remember when I commented after the November elections that we shouldn’t think we’d won everything now just because we got a Democratic majority, and that dark times were over for our country. And look, we can’t even pass the Iraq funding bill we want. Or do anything but take what the president gives us on that. It takes a little bit more than just winning an election.

  • but it’s hardly ridiculous

    Actually, phrased as Kucinich put it, it’s worse than ridiculous, it’s demagoguery of the highest order. As if “Fox News viewers” are some kind of oppressed minority, or that they can’t tune in to see the Dems debate on other channels! (Are “Fox News viewers” too freakin’ stupid to change the channel? Never mind, don’t answer that.) The issue, as Kucinich well knows, is not the apparently hermetically-sealed FNC audience, but the broadcasters who FNC would put up to do a hatchet job on the Dems.

  • What I don’t get is why the CBC sold itself out to Fox in the first place – all it does is allow the right – and Kucinich, apparently – to frame this as a rejection of the interests of black voters, instead of a rejection of a right-wing propaganda network.

    I can’t begin to believe that Fox would even be speaking to the CBC if the network didn’t see some way they could use it as a wedge against Democrats.

    This will end up being a last-ditch effort by the lower-tier candidates to be seen and heard – which I understand is hard to do when you don’t have the money the top-tier candidates do, but it just ends up being more fodder for the middle-school-level attacks the Dems will make against each other.

    And lots of food for the right-wing noise machine. I don’t think that’s a trade-off that’s worth it.

  • And a Fox doesn’t need any wings to kill the damn eagle if it lands anywhere near it.

  • What I don’t get is why the CBC sold itself out to Fox in the first place

    See this article from Sunday: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/27/washington/27fox.html

    The partnership between Fox News and the caucus began in earnest in 2003, when the news channel responded to the caucus’s request for a broadcast partner for its debates for the 2004 presidential election. (Technically, the caucus was sponsoring the debate through an affiliate group, the Congressional Black Caucus Political Education and Leadership Institute; the use of the institute gives the caucus itself some distance, even though several prominent caucus members are on the institute board.)

    Fox’s proposal included broadcasting the debates in prime time, giving the caucus a say in selecting moderators and covering much of the production cost, said one former caucus staff member close to the negotiations. The Fox proposal beat out at least one other offer, made by Black Entertainment Television, the former staff member said.

    Months after joining forces with the caucus, Fox News created internships for students at Morgan State University, a black college in Baltimore, in the Congressional district of Representative Elijah E. Cummings, who was then chairman of the caucus.

    In June 2003, its political action committee, known as News America-Fox, made a $1,000 contribution to Mr. Cummings’s political committee.

    The Fox group later made contributions of at least $1,000 each to other caucus members, including Representatives Sheila Jackson-Lee of Texas, and Gregory W. Meeks and Edolphus Towns of New York. The political arm of the caucus itself received a $5,000 contribution from the Fox group, in May 2006. And on the Web site of its foundation, the caucus lists News Corporation among several dozen corporate sponsors.

    Give them credit: it’s a pretty clever divide-and-conquer gambit. Of course, these are also the fine folks who use B-roll of African-Americans voting whenever they do stories about “vote fraud.” They’re simple bigots with a diversified political portfolio.

  • OT-

    One more I was right about I forgot to mention- I was right when I suggested, a while ago, we weren’t going to war with Iran, despite the then-recent speculation by Gen. Wesley Clark otherwise.

  • Regarding the “divide and conquer” gambit, how could they tell if they were successful or not? We’re talking about the Democratic Party here!

    The top-tier candidates have nothing to win by coming, the third-tier ones have nothing to lose, so it’s a wash for Democrats. The Congressional Black Caucus gets something out of the deal at least, while Fox News gets the chance to ask even dumber questions of the candidates than the other MSM-sponsored debates have. I suspect that Kucinich and Biden may find that not all attention is worth the getting, frankly.

  • DK is absolutely right about impeachment, but this kind of shrill whine is more a sign of weakness than strength. He’s been cozying up to the FOX war criminals for quite long enough to raise suspicions that they’re stroking his ego for all its worth and he’s falling for the line they’re feeding him.

    This appearance will signal the effective end of his campaign and the other bottom-tier candidates that show up with him. The vultures of FOX will hold them up to ridicule and humiliation just for being there and frankly who could blame them? It’s not their fault the suckers volunteered for their own hanging.

  • I don’t think Fox will sandbag Kucinich and/or the other bottom-tier candidates at all. It would be easy to do, but the network’s long-term interests lie in a long, bloody, internecine struggle for the Democratic nomination delivering a weakened candidate into the general election.

    To serve this end, keeping as many candidates alive, as long as possible, is the way to go, even if it means forgoing making them look bad for now. And any of the ciphers can be puffed as the ‘anti-Obama’, or the ‘ABC (Anyone But Clinton) Candidate’, as needed, to fill a news hole. The chance of gaffage is increased by the number of players, too.

    On the Republican side, it’s important for the Borg to get this down to one Anointed Successor as soon as possible, and then fire up the Inevitability Machine.

  • DK is absolutely right about impeachment, but this kind of shrill whine is more a sign of weakness than strength. He’s been cozying up to the FOX war criminals for quite long enough to raise suspicions that they’re stroking his ego for all its worth and he’s falling for the line they’re feeding him.

    This is a lovely comment. Hillary and Obama are the top tier- meaning highest recognition- Dem candidates. In that sense, they’re synonomous with the Dem ‘brand.’ Equal opportunity for people of all races is also part of the liberal and Dem product.

    What Kucinich is doing is essentially calling Hillary and Obama racist, and by extension calling Democrats racist- he’s destroying our brand, our product to sell in the American political market. Kucinich is the perfect person to deliver this damage among the Dems, because his left-liberal positions have already earned him praise from staunch Dems as a true liberal. His political career and his chance to associate with other Dems should be ruined if liberals in America have any sense. If only Kucinich had done something that meant he could still be counted among us- the way things stand, he’s gone way too far towards personally making a slanderous attack against all liberals.

  • If the KKK was sponsoring a debate for Democrats with the CBC would Kucinich then knock other Dems for not participating? Doesn’t Kucinich understand this is not about the issues or the CBC, it’s about lending credibility to a right wing propaganda machine who tries to pass itself off as a credible News outlet. We know the CBC leadership is doing this for the annual big donations from Fox but what Dennis, in his search to find someway to get his message before the public, fails to understand is the refusal to allow Fox to sponsor or moderate democratic debates is a protest against a propaganda machine. He doesn’t have to be a part of the protest against Fox or any other propaganda national media ambushers but to slam the other Democratic presidential candidates for being a part of the protest is just wrong and shows he is willing to disregard the integrity of the other candidates just so he can be seen and heard. It belittles him.
    And the CBC leadership shows that if the KKK donates money yearly to their organization, they would be willing to allow the KKK to co-sponsor presidential debates also since they are allowing the Fox racists to do it. Money trumps not only “peace” but also racism, I guess.

  • Back in his Cleveland mayoral days, Kucinich was often derisively called “Boy Wonder” for his ever boyish looks and his often boyish behavior. His Boy Wonder side is coming through once again.

    Dennis doesn’t get why the other candidates are taking a pass on this debate. Dennis may think it’s all about being cunning enough to outsmart the Fox questioners: that other candidates are scared of being caught in a Fox web but he isn’t. But the other candidates bailed because just being present in Fox’s debate gives credibility to a cable channel that deserves none. Dennis obviously thinks he’s a player by having the “balls” to do this debate. I wish he’d see instead that he’s the one getting played.

  • Dennis should consider Nader as his running mate. Seems they have a lot in common.

  • Nautilator @ 19

    Gravel is in, IF Fox goes through with this.

    I kind of like the idea of the strongest liberals (and Biden) being allowed to bash Bush on Fox for a few relatively unedited hours. A few dittoheads that normally watch Fox may be a little slow on their remote controls and learn that liberals aren’t as stupid as Rush tells them they are.

    Obama, Edwards, and Hill’s vacuous question dodging and regurgitated focus-group-tested sound bites don’t provide much food for thought and inevitably result in complaints from the MSM that debates are wretchedly dull.

    What fun though! A debate sponsored by a group that on occasion claims to be ignored by the mainstream Democratic party and what happens?

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