Leave the Dragon Skin at home

For several years, the debate over equipping U.S. troops with potentially life-saving [tag]body armor[/tag] has been one of the more contentious elements of the war. A report in January exasperated the problem when we learned that 80% of the marines who have been killed in Iraq from upper-body wounds could have survived if they had had extra body armor — which the [tag]Pentagon[/tag] had been slow to provide.

Left with limited options, many troops and their families have taken to buying their own body armor with money out of their own pocket. That option is no longer available for Army troops, not because soldiers will now get the protection they need, but because privately-purchased armor has been banned.

Soldiers will no longer be allowed to wear body armor other than the protective gear issued by the military, Army officials said Thursday, the latest twist in a running battle over the equipment the Pentagon gives its troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Army officials told The Associated Press that the order was prompted by concerns that soldiers or their families were buying inadequate or untested commercial armor from private companies — including the popular Dragon Skin gear made by California-based Pinnacle Armor.

“We’re very concerned that people are spending their hard-earned money on something that doesn’t provide the level of protection that the Army requires people to wear. So they’re, frankly, wasting their money on substandard stuff,” said Col. Thomas Spoehr, director of materiel for the Army.

It’s worth noting that this is a pretty sweeping reversal. Last October, facing political pressure, the Pentagon said it would reimburse soldiers who bought their own protective equipment. Now, the Army won’t even let troops use non-military protection.

At a certain level, this isn’t an unreasonable response. Maybe the commercial armor isn’t adequate for Iraq and doesn’t meet the Pentagon’s standards. Perhaps troops and their families shouldn’t waste money on substandard protection that might give soldiers a false sense of security.

But in context, the order banning commercial armor seems ridiculous. The military hasn’t provided the necessary armor, so troops and their families don’t feel like they have much of a choice. The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA) said it understood why the Army “has to ensure some level of quality,” but added that because of Pentagon failures in this area, “This is the monster they made.”

As Slate’s Justin Peters put it, “You go to war with the equipment you’re assigned, not the equipment you order off the Internet.”

What a @#$%$#@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Hair Farce can spend a @#%$#@!! billion each on that flying collection of spare parts, the F-22 – the most-useless boytoy ever made for the least-useful branch of service (strategic bombing never accomplished crap compared to what tac air did – and when done by Marines who support their fellows, it’s really good, something the Hair Farce never figured out). Missing one of those wonderful interceptors designed for catching the Russians over the Fulda Gap when the Warsaw Pact invades western Europe would pay for all the body armor they need.

Unfortunately, the body-armor makers can’t pay the retired otherwise-unemployables from Versailles-on-the-Potomac as well as WeMakeBigStuff Inc., aka the LockheedBoeingNorthrop company, so there’s no financial upside among the “patriotic class” for doing the right thing for the troops.

But the trade school boys of the Imperial Legions must have BigStuff to command or they don’t look like the legends in their own minds they think they are.

Sorry, but above the rank of Commander/Lt. Colonel, the US military leadership would serve the country better by volunteering as guest of honor at a single-car/single-driver DUI fatality. Most of them pose a greater danger to our side than the enemy. (And I know whereof I speak, having worked for one of those gold-braided drunks)

  • Follow the money. Any bets Pinnacle Armor and other body armor manufacturers aren’t big contributors to the GOP? If the Pentagon reimburses soldiers for buying their own body armor, that money can’t line the pockets of defense contractors who have contributed heavily to Bush and the Republican Congress.

    And I’m sorry, but this quote is just fucking ridiculous:

    “We’re very concerned that people are spending their hard-earned money on something that doesn’t provide the level of protection that the Army requires people to wear. So they’re, frankly, wasting their money on substandard stuff,”said Col. Thomas Spoehr, director of materiel for the Army.

    Sure the stuff may shred like Kleenex. But if it stops or slows a bullet or shrapnel, then who cares? Some protection is better than no protection at all.

  • …the level of protection that the Army requires people to wear.

    Okay, so if they are required to wear it, why don’t they have it to wear?

    Catch-22, anyone?

  • Even if Dragon Skin is not as good as the military issued gear, if they have no other choice, isn’t it better than nothing? Why not simply order those who have military issue gear to use it, not totally ban all other gear? I have a difficult time believing that between January and now everyone that didn’t have body armor got it.

    The about face of the military on this, going from partial reimbursement for purchased body armor to banning it.

    The article quotes Nathan Helms, who had something in Truthout that has a twist on the story: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011606S.shtml

  • I remember in Dec 05 there was an article about the CEO of one of the body armor companies (I think it was the one that handled much of the USMC body armor contracts) throwing a 10 million dollar bat miztvah for his little girl. Among the entertainment was 50 cent.

    Soon after, the USMC released the reports complaining about the quality of armor from said company and the results of the medical study mentioned above.

    Hmmm, CEO throws 10 million dollar bat mitzvah for his kid while Marines die. Apparently, no one from the MSM made a connection.

    Perhaps in a Mikkado world, it might be rather fitting if the CEO would be forced to wear his crap vests while making a cargo run to the Baghadad airport while ducking RPGs, bullets and IEDs.

  • Regarding Dragon Skin – guess what at least 6 high and mightys have been wearing in country (supposedly “evaluating”)…

    There might be another side to this – field failures, concerning reports. But somehow I think it comes down to someone’s pocket book – especially now that US troops are largely in ‘hunker down’ mode to keep casualities down anyway.

    -jjf

  • The links at #5 and #6 are very much worth clicking on. After reading them the possibility of a GOP contributor influencing the Pentagon’s decision on body armor, as prm suggests in #3, seems very likely. On would hope that major news organization with the resource to pursue this angle to the story would pick it up.

  • Support the troops!!! Get that yellow ribbon on your SUV!! Just think of all those purple hearts that can be attacked in 10/20 years time.

  • Some national dems better start making some noise about this.

    And where are the free-market loving conservatives on this? Why aren’t they decrying this outrageous intrusion into the all-mighty free market?

  • “Maybe the commercial armor isn’t adequate for Iraq and doesn’t meet the Pentagon’s standards.”

    Meet the Pentagon’s standard? What, like costing $605 for a toilet seat, check made payable to Halliburton Corp and the Bush Crime Family?

  • I don’t remember which paper reported it (WaPo?), but there are seven (7) GENERALS running around in Afghanistan evaluating the Pinnacle Python Skin body armor. It is reported to be much better than the crap the Army supplies.

    But besides superior body armor, how many people have given thought to the fact that Generals and other high-ranking personnel are protected by PRIVATE SECURITY that cost us taxpayers many thousands and thousands of extra bucks a day!?

    Why aren’t our regular Army and Marine forces providing that protection instead? They are already trained and on-duty anyway. Why do their superiors feel they MUST have private security guards instead? It’s an insult to our troops and a ridiculous waste of money.

  • From what I gather, the Dragon Skin is more flexible than the rigid plates in the Interceptor vests, and distribute the weight better. Works for me.

    As for going to war with what you’re issued, half my gear in the Army was commercial bought, usually from the AAFES store on post.

    The Army does sometimes get good equipment, but it usually takes forever for the REMFs to ever get sent to us grunts in the Infantry. So we were often left to fend for ourselfs, stuff like camp stoves, batteries, cold-weather boots and clothing, flashlights, mapcases and the such.. Unit policy towards commercial gear was basically “if it’s green, it’s good to go.”

    Body armor may be a different story, but as others have posted, the Army brought this problem on themselves by inadequately equipping their troops (somehow this is Clinton’s fault, of course).

    It amazes me how the nation that supplied most of the Allies against the Nazis can’t supply 130,000 troops with something as basic as a good flak vest.

  • You know what this is?

    Proof that Republicans hate the troops.

    Really – why else would someone not only *fail* to provide potentially life-saving armor, but *prohibit* troops from buying their own? There’s no other excuse, and no other explanation, that makes nearly as much sense.

    And if anyone thinks this is about product safety, remember that we’re talking about those champions of consumer rights, the Bush Administration, and get your head out of your ass.

  • Only the insane notion of “military” and “intelligence” being complimentary could make sense of saying that nothing is better than something. But then again, let us all remember that—for the maniacs in charge—an unjust war can be “spun” into a just war—if you’ve got enough blood to baptize it with. It’s the same mentality that says “you get what you pay for.” Higher price, to these people, means better end product. So more dead soldiers means a better war, and the war cannot be a better war to these idiots if the body-count drops….

  • You’ve got to realize, some of the troops *don’t* want extra armor, and for good reason, namely that they do foot patrols and already carry 70+ pounds in their basic load. These people are irritated that the DOD will make the extra 5-10lbs of armor mandatory.

    They have a point.

    Then there are the mech infantry who do motor patrols, and can leave part of their basic load in the vehicle. I beleive that these may be the troops that want the extra/supplemental/improved body armor. Let’s assume that for this argument (Yes, I do know what you get when you spell “ass u me”) They are therefore being prohibited from getting better protection at no cost to the big green machine, and are forced to deal with what they see as sub-optimal armor, when they could get optimal armor, with no or very little detriment to their performance.

    These people have a point.

    Either way, the DOD has no faith in their troops’ judgement. The brass treat the grunts like they were children with no experience, when it’s the brass that has the lack of relevant experience.

    What a perverse system!

  • The “dragonskin” body armor is flexible while the military issue body armor is made of stiff, heavy ceramic plates. The “dragonskin” body armor can sustain multiple shots and stop the bullets while the ceramic plates shatter on the impact of the first bullet and allow a bullet in the same place to go through. Like one of the other posters said, 5 or 6 of the top US generals in Iraq wear the “dragonskin”. The company making the ceramic plate body armor made a more attractive deal with Rumsfeld’s DoD. Profit over protection.

  • C.Cook,
    You just hit the nail on the head. Remember Rummy’s “go to war with the army you have” crack? That epitomizes the modern Pentagon mentality towards troops in the field.
    The Army is basically composed of two command elements: The officers who make up stupid and silly op orders and regulations that sound great in their head, but in the field aren’t worth a bucket of piss; and the non-commissioned officers, corporals and sergeants, who find ways around the rules and get shit done. Without the NCO cadre, this army wouldn’t be any better than the levy armies of the Middle Ages.

    As someone who was light infantry, I can see why the11Bulletstoppers don’t want to carry the extra plate. Infantry is supposed to rely on speed and stealth to manuever on the battlefield, not to mention the fact that your energy goes real quick in that kind of environment, so extra equipment isn’t just a hinderance, but life threatening.
    But if I’m in a convoy on the back of a 5-ton, there isn’t enough armor in the world that would make me feel safe.

  • This is just another slap in the face that our soldiers are being given
    by those in charge. It is another example of the callous disreguard
    of the safety of the people who actually have to fight this war.
    I have said before that it is this kind of thing that is slowly raising the
    level of resentment among rank and file solidiers toward the people
    running this administration. Where it is going to end one day may
    surprise everyone. But don’t be too surprised if one day we wake up
    and see that the soliders have had enough and decide to take it out
    on their superiors including the top brass in Washington DC. What
    you sow you reap. And what we are going to reap is the whirlwind.

  • Well, as someone who is familar with bullet and projectile resistant materials…

    If you make it heavy enough to stop even a light centerfire rifle bullet (the AK-47’s 7.62×39 cartridge is ballistically very similar to a .30-30 deer rifle’s), you’re looking at some serious weight penalty. Which means a few things:

    Troops won’t wear it. They’ll get hot and tired, and they’ll decide “it’ll never happen to me.”

    Troops will think that they are bulletproof. Notice my first line – the word “resistant.” There’s a _big_ difference there. You figure it out.

    Plus, the armor isn’t going to do squat against a high explosive pressure wave or a lot of small and fast-moving shrapnel – it just means that you may not be able to run or dodge fast enough to get out of an area/behind cover if someone announces that there’s something that’s about to ruin your day.

    These materials don’t work very well with pointy things. An icepick will go right through kevlar that’ll stop a .44 magnum.

    A few years ago, a friend was thinking of buying a boat. The area he’d be boating in was at the time prone to piracy. He wanted something safer. The boat builder told him that their high-strength composites were bulletproof. He told ’em to send him a square foot sample (hey, with the kinda money us evil conservatives can swing, he could could tell ’em that). Then he called my friends and I… Off to the range.

    We thought we’d take it easy on it for starts, so the first round was a .38 special target load at about 25 yards. Hard to get milder. Went right through it. We dispensed with testing with centerfire rounds, and dropped down to the .22 – Yup – right through it. He didn’t buy the boat.

    Now playing: Rhino’s Crime Scene compilation of “lounge” music… A little Harlem Noctourne….

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