Let’s be clear: Rove leaked and lied

Just to follow up on the earlier posts on [tag]Karl Rove[/tag]’s big day, I find it more than a little surprising that conservatives are somehow under the impression that a lack of an indictment is tantamount to a full exoneration. That’s not only foolish; it’s silly.

The Corner rhetorically asks, “So where does Karl Rove report to get his reputation back?” Don Surber said, “The left owes [Rove] apologies. Big time.” Captain’s Quarters called Fitzgerald’s investigation a “useless…witch hunt.” Gloating about dodging a bullet is one thing, but these [tag]Bush[/tag] supporters seem to genuinely believe that today’s outcome is proof that [tag]Rove[/tag] did nothing wrong.

The facts show otherwise. As Dan [tag]Froomkin[/tag] charitably put it, “Just because Rove wasn’t charged with a crime doesn’t mean his conduct meets the standards the public expects from its [tag]White House[/tag].”

If Rove was irresponsibly lax with [tag]classified[/tag] information, if he intentionally [tag]misled [/tag]the press, the press secretary and the president, if he conspired with fellow White House aides to punish someone who spoke out against the president — all of which appears to be the case — what is he still doing serving as the president’s most trusted aide? […]

We know that Rove was the second of two sources for syndicated columnist Robert Novak ‘s column, in which Ambassador Joseph Wilson’s wife, [tag]Valerie Plame[/tag], was outed as a [tag]CIA[/tag] operative. We know Rove confirmed that to investigators, although he testified that all he did was say something like “I heard that, too” after [tag]Novak[/tag] asked him about it.

We also know Rove was one of Time Magazine reporter [tag]Matt Cooper[/tag]’s sources, for his story mentioning Plame’s CIA status. Rove eventually confirmed that to investigators after insisting that he had previously forgotten about the conversation.

Apparently, none of this rises to the level of a slam-dunk criminal case, according to [tag]Fitzgerald[/tag].

Apparently not, but since this scandal broke nearly three years ago, Rove’s critics have labeled him a [tag]leaker[/tag], a [tag]liar[/tag], and a lawbreaker. As of today, two out of three are still accurate.

On Sept. 29, 2003, ABC News producer Andrea Owen and a cameraman approached Rove as he walked toward his car. Owen asked, “Did you have any knowledge or did you leak the name of the CIA agent to the press?” Rove said, “No.” The truth, we later learned, was the opposite. Nearly a year later, Rove again said, “I didn’t leak her name,” despite the fact that he had.

Rove even told Scott McClellan he wasn’t involved at all, which McClellan then passed on to the nation. It wasn’t true. And while Rove was lying to the White House staff, he may have even lied to Bush directly.

Noting that the political question all along has been about leaking the identity of a covert CIA operative for the purpose of discrediting a political opponent, Josh Marshall explained, “[Rove] just [tag]lied[/tag]. From admissions from Rove, filings in the Libby case, and un-contradicted reportage, we know as clearly as we ever can that Rove did do each of those things. So he did do what he was suspected of and he did lie about it.”

That’s not only accurate, it’s well-established fact. Forget opinions and analysis — we know with certainty that Rove leaked Plame’s name and then lied about it. Period. This isn’t even controversial given what’s already in the public record.

Rove’s allies are upset because his reputation has been tarnished? Of course his reputation is tarnished. He leaked, lied, and got caught. Rove’s critics owe him an apology? This turns reality on its head: the White House owes the public an apology for the abhorrent conduct of the president’s top aides.

But, the right says, Rove’s behavior didn’t amount to an indictable offense. If today’s reports are accurate, that’s absolutely true. But George W. Bush vowed to the nation that his presidency would “always maintain the highest ethical standards” and ask “not only what is legal, but what is right.” One wonders if even the most loyal sycophant could repeat the same phrase with a straight face today.

As for what happens next, Froomkin offered White House reporters a few pertinent questions that deserve answers.

Here’s a question for Bush: You said you’d fire anyone involved in the leak. Rove no longer faces criminal charges, but undeniably was involved. Now that nothing you do or say can in any way influence the criminal investigation, will you tell us what you know and when you knew it? Will you fire him? Will you strip him of his security clearance?

It seems to me that the White House has a variety of options: Admit Rove misled the president and his colleagues; admit the president and his colleagues misled the public on his behalf; admit they intentionally engaged in legalistic hairsplitting; or sweep it all under the rug.

Call it a hunch, but I suspect they’ll go with Door #4.

Don Surber said, “The left owes [Rove] apologies. Big time.”

You first, Don.

  • The _left_ owes Rove apologies? Bullshit.

    This jackass has coordinated how many smear campaigns over the years? Including ones against his own party? Rove should be bent over a table somewhere and used rudely with a splintering wooden spork for the crap he’s pulled! He’s had charges coming for literally _years_ for some of this crap.

  • … “not only what is legal, but what is right.”

    I think Bush misspoke with that one. It was supposed to be:

    We will not do what is legal, but what appeases the right

    Not as catchy, but at least it matches the reality.

  • The Corner rhetorically asks, “So where does Karl Rove report to get his reputation back?”>

    Reputation??? You mean the one of being a vicious lying slimebag thug? I didn’t know he ever lost it.

  • “Captain’s Quarters called Fitzgerald’s investigation a “useless…witch hunt.”

    Uh, so the indictment of Scooter Libby didn’t happen?

  • Not only will the White House sweep this under the rug, but their friends in the press corps will offer to hold the edge of the rug up while they do it.

    It’s a time of unapologetic criminality. I don’t know why they’re complaining; Rove’s reputation is exactly fitting for it.

  • CB writes: ” But George W. Bush vowed to the nation that his presidency would ‘always maintain the highest ethical standards’ and ask ‘not only what is legal, but what is right.’ One wonders if even the most loyal sycophant could repeat the same phrase with a straight face today.”
    Of course they can, sycophants all. That’s the one aptitude that differentiates this Sadministration. It’s everything else, except intimidation, that defines their incompetence.

    And unfortunately, the public doesn’t expect anything from this White House. And that’s just what they get.

  • One good thing happened today — CB was mentioned on CNN’s Situation Room when they were discussing how the blogs we talking about the Rove announcement.

    One way to frame Rove’s escape fromindictment is that he’s guilty of the same thing Clinton was impeached for: lying to the American public.

  • Actually, there is a 5th door, and BushCo and his minnions/enablers have already chosen it: lie first, lie last, and lie often, and repeatedly scream to the rafters that there is absolutely no basis for claims that Rove is either a liar or a leaker. They have NEVER admitted responsibility or wrongdoing in the past; they sure as hell aren’t going to start now.

  • Unfortunately, the presumption that Karl Rove cares about his “reputation” is a bit of a misnomer. The only reputation Rove is concerned with is the one that notes his prowess to win elections and wield political power.

    Much as those on the left have a tendency to misunderstand the counterintuitive nature of his methods, those on the right are defending the honor of a man who long ago realized that those in power command honor whether they have earned it or not.

    I’d suggest that Karl Rove doesn’t feel the least bit diminished…in fact, if I were to venture a guess, he’s grinning ear to ear at once again having been able to navigate complex waters…lose a few battles…while all the while remaining focused on winning the war.

    Now I’m betting that’s a reputation he is happy to hold

    more observations here:

    http://www.thoughttheater.com

  • Does their absolutist reasoning compel them to, I dunno, say, apologize to OJ and Michael Jackson? I’d like to see that, and then maybe we’ll cough up something to shut their yapholes for 5 minuttes.

  • Once again, “Create chaos and swim through it”. Rove got tossed in the drink and has come out the other side grinning and shaking it off and getting patted dry by his grateful owners. This is political Viagra. Lee Atwood was remorseful on his death bed. Rove ain’t there yet. Losing isn’t getting caught, it’s getting convicted. Nothing else matters. If you skate you win. Back to work.

  • “Captain’s Quarters called Fitzgerald’s investigation a “useless…witch hunt.”

    Uh, so the indictment of Scooter Libby didn’t happen?

    Comment by CJ

    Then there is the matter of statements by Dear Leader that no one on his staff was involved, when Fitzgerald’s investigation has gone where no Bushevik investigation has gone, and gotten to the truth.

    Not that the Busheviks and the Little Green Raelians give a rat’s ass about the truth.

  • Presidents can declassify almost anything for national security’s sake. But this leak was part of a re-election campaign, not even remotely for national security.

    Why hasn’t that difference been pointed out?

  • apologize?
    urrp , echhh, pffffttttttt, blechhh, ick

    I don’t think so. On the other hand, Rove would be pardoned anyway, the kid would finally ask daddy for advice when it came time to learn how to pardon criminals, but only if they have made millions.

  • Karl Rove: unethical, but not illegal.

    Let’s see the Instahacks rally around that one.

    Yes, “unethical but not illegal” fits The Clenis too… except with Rove we’re all wearing the blue dress now.

  • Uh-huh. And liberals think lack of an indictment meant that Clinton did nothing wrong in the Whitewater scandel. You guys are just a bunch of partisan hacks. When you take a global view and stop being hypocritical, then maybe this Conservative will take this web-site seriously.

    By they way, I agree with you about Rove, but you are a liberal that just throws stuff up against the wall and hope it sticks. I’d like to see more good-faith analysis of what is going on in our country, instead of the obvious drive to regain power.

  • Mark, whatever Clinton may or may not have done concerning the Whitewater deal had no impact whatever on the nation or the world. It was a complicated personal investment that went sour, and he LOST money. Rove, Libby, and whoever else was involved in this matter blew the cover of a CIA agent (one who was investigating Iran’s nuclear program, no less) for tawdry partisan gain. You can’t see the difference? And you call CB and CB’s contributors hypocritical partisan hacks? There’s plenty of good-faith political analysis provided at this site every day, and maybe when you’re a little older you’ll be able to follow it.

  • You are just wearing you liberal glasses when you think this is a balanced web-site. I post on a liberal web-site and they link articles from this website all the time.

    Why do you apologize for what might have been a felony committed against the US taxpayers? The S&L crisis did hurt the nation and your attempts to downplay this smack of partisanship.

    Thanks for the insult about my age. You are a typical arrogant liberal who thinks they know it all aren’t you? That is why people like Bush ultimately win elections because liberals are so haughty and repulse people in the middle.

  • “You are just wearing you liberal glasses when you think this is a balanced web-site.” – Mark

    Who ever said anything about balanced? RepubCo sucks. Period. Ongoing. Everlasting. S-U-C-K-S. Balance that.

  • Wow, CB, you must have hit the big time. An incoherent, foolish troll, spouting lies and hyprocritical Repugnican’t kimchee. All the best liberal blogs have one!

    So, troll-boy: how many of those S&L boys are in prison now? John McCain? Kneel Putsch?

    Thanks for the insults about being hypocritical partisan hacks who are only concerned with regaining power, and arrogant know-it-alls. While you were crying some crocodile tears about getting insulted yourself. What’s that word again? Hyp-, hypo-, Repugnican’t! C’mon, say it with me now…

    As far as the subject of this post goes, it does seem awful funny to me that Repugnican’t iceholes are exonerating Rove as soon as they hear rumors that he wasn’t indicted, but still to this day consider the Clenis guilty, even though he actually was found not guilty.

    Perhaps you should consider who seems like a partisan hack who’s spouting badministration talking points, and who seems like they’re waiting for all that honesty and integrity that Putsch said he was going to bring back to Washington DC before he stole the presidency the first time.

  • “There’s plenty of good-faith political analysis provided at this site every day…”

    My comments about partisanship were, in part, prompted by this quote. You tell me… It appears this poster was trying to say this is a balanced web-site. I guess it must be my age.

    You guys are real pleasant. Enjoy that minority status.

    Talking points – Is this some sort of comeback? Liberals don’t have talking points? I don’t understand why I should feel put-down by this comment.

    Finally, rabid dogs, I said I agree with the comments about Rove. Partisanship involves mental filters that are incapable of picking up any comments such as mine. I just was mentioning how being completely one-sided doesn’t really lend credibility to an argument.

  • I just was mentioning how being completely one-sided doesn’t really lend credibility to an argument.

    Comment by Mark — 6/14/2006 @ 12:03 pm

    …while engaging in one-sided partisan rhetoric. So we should give you the credibility you deny to others, while engaging in the very same type of partican rhetoric you find objectionable in others?

    Funny, liberals seemed much more pleasant when they weren’t being hounded, ridiculed, misprepresented, misquoted, lied about, and subjected top non-stop hate speech from the mainstream media, the Repugnican’t smear machines, and partisan political hack jobs. Enjoy that lack of conscience, morals, and ethics that you implicitly support whenever you make excuses for these Repugnican’t bastiches. And watch your back – payback’s a bitch!

    Finally, useless sack of Repugnican’t kimchee, you did say that you agreed about Rove. Then you immediately started in on the insults yourself. You blindly, in your partsan filter, can only see an obvious drive to regain power in the call for accountability sent out here. The post was referring to what appears to some here as an obvious drive to hide the truth by the mainstream media and the Repugnican’ts. And a call for the current junta to actually, you know, do the things it said it would. Like bringing a tone of civility and honesty back to DC. Like removing anyone who does not engage in ethical behavior from the White House.

    Funny how you never actually address that point, which is the main one I see the author making in this post. No, you just point out what you feel is partisan rhetoric. Shouldn’t Putsch be getting rid of Rove? Shouldn’t everyone be asking him why he isn’t doing that over and over again until he answers the question? Why aren’t you focusing on that, instead of what you perceive as a partisan political attack by the Democrats?

    It’s also quite funny how you characterized this post as throwing stuff up against the wall and hoping it sticks. Instead of the good faith analysis, and call for accountability from this administration, that some see it as being. Why, it’s almost as though you’re even more partisan than those you criticize! What’s that word again? Try saying it with me now…

  • So, mentioning that I agree with the points about Rove doesn’t qualify me as being bi-partisan? Why is that? I’m just pointing out that the opening salvo was a blatant partisanship. Until one can truly live under the rules they force on others, their motives will be questioned.

    It’s good enough to say that Bush should fire Rove. That was what was said in the beginning when this situation arose. But to say the very things that the Clinton apologists invoked are now wrong when used by the BA is just a political hit job with the hope that nobody notices.

    It’s easy to be nice people when preaching to the choir. It’s how you act in the face of dissent that proves your real character.

  • Mark, your 1st post starts with Uh-huh. And liberals think lack of an indictment meant that Clinton did nothing wrong in the Whitewater scandel. You guys are just a bunch of partisan hacks. What does Whitewater have to do with Karl Rove?

    IMHO, your opening salvo was a blatant partisanship and proved your real character

  • “I find it more than a little surprising that conservatives are somehow under the impression that a lack of an indictment is tantamount to a full exoneration. That’s not only foolish; it’s silly.”

    My “opening salvo” was in direct response to this comment.

    Partisanship is a blindness to and fear of the truth. Karl Rove is a extremely partisan. So is Tom Delay. The comment I quoted was partisan.

    I brought up Whitewater because I believe Clinton did violate the law in this aaffair, but he was never indicted and I’ve heard time and time again about hhow all Ken Starr had on Clinton was a blow-job. I consider the quoted paragraph to be on point with what I heard from the Left during the Clinton term.

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