Let’s have prayer in schools – as long as they’re my prayers

Guest Post by Morbo

The results are in from the “Idiotic State Legislator of the Week” contest, and the winner is (drum roll, please)…Sen. Parley Hellewell of Orem, Utah!

This Republican lawmaker recently had a bright idea: Bring prayer back to public schools! Teach the Bible in class! It can all be done through a state law.

I hate to break it to the guy, but someone has to. So here’s a newsflash, dude: The Supreme Court says that stuff is unconstitutional. You can’t overturn them with a state law.

Nevertheless, Hellewell felt compelled to hold a hearing on the matter. According to the Deseret News, Hellewell, pined for the way things used to be in America and condemned recent trends, such as secular government.

“They are all things that are made up, just like the separation of church and state was made up,” Hellewell said. And then there’s this gem: “When you don’t allow prayer in schools, we’re letting a minority religion — atheism — rule.”

Reported the News:

Instead of focusing on the rights of the minority by prohibiting prayer, he would prefer to grant the majority the right to pray publicly without forcing the minority to join.”

The right wing relies on this argument a lot. Here’s what’s wrong with it: Kids will feel pressured to take part anyway. And those who don’t will have to single themselves out and possibly open themselves up to ridicule and abuse. You know little Timmy who doesn’t want to say someone else’s prayers? The right wing’s answer is that he can just go stand in the hall. I know the other kids will be cool with that. After all, what first grader doesn’t love being singled out and made to feel different by his peers?

How ironic this is going on in Utah. Doesn’t this boob understand that outside of his own state and parts of Nevada, his religion is considered a freak show by far-right bigots? Fundamentalist Protestants see Mormons as nothing but big fat targets for evangelism. The prayers to be recited in Spartanburg, S.C., will not likely refer to the Angel Moroni, and I also wouldn’t look for any readings from the Book of Mormon to kick off the school day.

Hellewell invited Fred Gedicks, a Brigham Young University law professor, to speak on the topic of church-state separation during the hearing. I’m not sure why, because Gedicks, a fellow Mormon, didn’t boost Hellewell’s cause much.

The News reported that Gedicks talked about his experiences living in Macon, Ga., where, he said, the majority evangelical Christians spoke of Mormons “like we sacrificed cats in the basement.” His children, he said, would have been sitting ducks in school were it not for the First Amendment..

Added Gedicks, “I was glad that in public society … they did not have to defend their religion.”

Gedicks then pointed out that many religious people really want to see more religion in government — as long as it’s their religion. “It’s not that people just want to have a religious ceremony, they want the government’s stamp of approval,” he said. “They want their religious ceremony to be the official ceremony.”

Amen. It’s good to know that not everyone in Utah has been out in the sun too long.

Exactly right, Morbo–if there isn’t any church-state separation, then which church wins? It’s not exactly like Christians get along with each other. When there is no separation, then we can get down to some serious persecution & Christians won’t be exempted from the list of targets.

And what these dum-dums also don’t realize is that in getting the government’s stamp of approval for the invisible sky-god, his son, and their insubstantial friend (the holy ghost), that they are giving government the privilege to interfere in doctrinal matters & use government authority to sanction the persecutions.

Why o why can’t these people get this into their heads?

  • Mr. Fibble asks, “Why o why can’t these people get this into their heads?”

    My answer, “Ummin … because they’re sucking on their Thummin.”

    My apologies to all true LDS believers, but I was just having a little (terribly inappropriate, I’m sure) fun with this. Seriously, though, this legislator is just like a lot of others who deceive themselves (or allow themselves to be deceived by others), so that they commit the new form of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results. Clearly the SCOTUS has said that this is not even remotely going to withstand judicial scrutiny.

    On the other hand, maybe they are all drunk on power, or just swallowed so much Kool-Aid that they just can’t help themselves, sort of new-age zombies cast in new episodes of “The Stupids” each day when they get out of bed.

  • I guess it’s foolish to expect logic or facts to matter to a public in which more people believe in angels than evolution. The tendency to wallow in delusion seems particularly strong among those who suffer the mental illness of Republicanism.

    My younger siblings have often remarked how much better this country would be if they’d let prayer back in the schools. I remind them that we all attended the same public grammar school in the ’40s and ’50s, in a very small cowtown, and none of our teachers ever allowed anyone to parade their religion in class.

    We started the class day by saying the Pledge of Allegiance (without “under god”). Somehow we celebrated Thanksgiving and Christmas and Easter with only slight reference to God and Jesus – a sort of Goldilocks balancing of cultural tradition and rationality totally missing in the world views of today’s conservatives (and, sadly, in many liberals as well).

    I have no idea whether our teachers (mostly very old ladies who never dreamed of becoming administrators) were religious. My guess is that they were not. They cared a lot about our learning to read and write. The closest thing to religious awe was their reverence for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. They left religious training (hardly education) to the sort of after-school catechism classes our church ran.

    I can think of one benefit of teaching religion in school: it would expose kids to that form of mental illness early in life, so they can reject it (like Santa Claus and the Easter bunny) when they grow up. A form of “innoculative learning”.

  • So here’s a newsflash, dude: The Supreme Court says that stuff is unconstitutional. You can’t overturn them with a state law.

    To be accurate, a majority of the Supreme Court as it is presently constituted says that stuff is constitutional.

    Justice Thomas is on record as saying that the first amendment prohibits only a Federal establishment of religion, and that the states are free to do what they wish at the level of state government.

    So if the LDS don’t take any federal money to do what they want to do, and the Utah state legislature follows its usual procedure — passage by a majority, etc, etc… in providing the LDS with purely state money, he doesn’t have a problem with that.

    So far, he can’t get another four votes. But he’s a relatively young man…

  • I don’t understand how ritualistic school prayer
    ceremonies jibe with what Jesus supposedly
    taught, as described in Mathew 6:5-13. Seems
    to me this says prayer is a private thing. Seems
    also to me that it says God already knows what
    your needs are, so don’t waste time begging
    him for special favors.

  • I’m laughing out loud at this one… as a Democrat / Mormon in Utah, I’m impressed that it’s made your blog! Can I just say for the record… Parley Hellewell is a nut job. All I can figure is that he’s not paying attention to the stuff that his own religion has taught him.. In its basics, the LDS religion is actually fairly moderate. One of the things young LDS are taught is that everybody deserves the right to worship how they please. But something has happened along the way and the less-enlightened LDS (read: sheep) in this state have allowed the religious right to hijack them, and they don’t even know it. You should be here during the legislative session. It’s really mind boggling to hear them talk circles around themselves.

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