Let’s play, ‘Imagine If A Democrat Had Said This’

I know how tiresome it can get to play one of my favorite parlor games: “Imagine if a Democrat had said this.” But I’m trying to imagine what the response would be if, say, a host on Air America Radio told listeners how helpful it would be to Democrats if people started a riot at the Republican National Convention.

Because that’s what Rush Limbaugh seemed to tell his listeners this week about the Democratic convention in Denver.

Talk show host Rush Limbaugh is sparking controversy again after he made comments calling for riots in Denver during the Democratic National Convention this summer.

He said the riots would ensure a Democrat is not elected as president, and his listeners have a responsibility to make sure it happens.

“Riots in Denver, the Democrat Convention would see to it that we don’t elect Democrats,” Limbaugh said during Wednesday’s radio broadcast. He then went on to say that’s the best thing that could happen to the country.

When callers suggested it’s probably inappropriate for a radio host to call for violence at a political convention, Limbaugh clarified: “I am not inspiring or inciting riots, I am dreaming of riots in Denver.”

He kept going. “There won’t be riots at our convention,” Limbaugh said of the Republican National Convention. “We don’t riot. We don’t burn our cars. We don’t burn down our houses. We don’t kill our children. We don’t do half the things the American left does.”

He concluded, “[R]iots in Denver, at the Democratic Convention, will see to it we don’t elect Democrats. And that’s the best damn thing that can happen to this country, as far as I can think.”

Limbaugh’s website told visitors: “Screw the world! Riot in Denver!”

So, as far as I can tell — I didn’t hear the broadcast and am relying on quotes from news articles — Limbaugh didn’t literally call on his listeners to commit acts of violence at the DNC. He just said riots at the DNC would be really great and he hopes someone at the convention commits acts of violence in order to help Republicans.

How could anyone be bothered by a major figure in Republican politics pining for politically-motivated violence in the United States?

And just for additional context, Limbaugh also reportedly spoke about how he “dreams” of a riot in Denver, in order to undermine Barack Obama’s chances, to the tune of “White Christmas.”

No, no racial subtext there at all.

Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper said, “”Anyone who would call for riots in an American city has clearly lost their bearings.”

Limbaugh’s Denver affiliate, 850 KOA, issued a statement today, saying its marquee talker “was not advocating violence in Denver,” according to the statement listing program director Kris Olinger as the contact.

Olinger did not return telephone calls for comment, but the station sent out a second e-mail to local media stating, “Did he go to [sic] far? Or is this just Rush being Rush?”

Yes, Rush is just “being Rush.” There’s no reason to be alarmed, because the most popular entertainer in conservative media does stuff like this all the time. Sure, Limbaugh said he wants to see a riot at the Democratic convention, but that’s not a big deal because he’s unhinged on the air all the time.

As if irresponsibility is justified by additional irresponsibility.

Denver City Councilman Charles Brown, a Republican and Limbaugh listener, told the Denver Post, “What an insult. Regardless of political labels, for any radio announcer to wish a riot on a city so his party could win, that’s disgraceful and it’s absurd.” He said he has found Limbaugh to be a “great entertainer, but he’s really gone too far.”

Has he? I doubt it. Will John McCain be pressed to address this? Will the Republican National Committee tell Limbaugh he’s not welcome at its convention? Will this have any bearing at all on whether far-right Republican officials — from both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue — appear on his show? It seems highly unlikely.

Now try to imagine what would happen if a prominent Democratic voice did the same thing.

Will John McCain be pressed to address this?

Probably. He’ll condemn it. The media will repeat the Limbaugh quotes ad nauseum, you know, just so they can point out how McCain is above it all. It’s a new pattern, I suppose. Like the North Carolina JWright ads.

  • Imagine what would happen if a prominent democratic voice gave the green light to invade and occupy a middle eastern country based on fabricated evidence. And no one rioted about it but elected her president.

  • “Did he go to [sic] far? Or is this just Rush being Rush?”

    Those questions are one and the same.

    Someone should get the Denver DA to see if charges of inciting a riot can be brought.

  • He kept going. “There won’t be riots at our convention,” Limbaugh said of the Republican Nat “We don’t riot. We don’t burn our cars. We don’t burn down our houses. We don’t kill our children. We don’t do half the things the American left does.”

    “we don’t riot, but we inspire others to”
    no, the cops do all the rioting.
    farking hypocrite.

    Inciting people to riot is a crime. Slap the cuffs on him.

  • He is absolutely advocating violence.
    He is in fact by his own admission dreaming of it.
    He may not be encouraging his listeners to commit acts thereof, but he is hopeful someone will.

  • The right wing thinks a riot will stop the Democrats. It will take the Democrats (we hope) to stop the murder , death and destruction of Iraqi’s and Afghans that the right wing has caused in the name of their fears and destortions of the truth.

  • Rush Limbaugh’s flailing desperation is both a sign of how desperate they are, and of how desperate he is.

    All good!

  • As if irresponsibility is justified by additional irresponsibility.

    But thats just the point. He is not even trying to justify it. He simply doesn’t care how decent reasonable people respond to his garbage because they are not the ones that pay his bills. Think about the mind-blowing inanity of that key sentence for a moment:

    “Did he go to far or is this just Rush being Rush.”

    What on Earth is that even supposed to mean? It was a trick question. It doesn’t mean anything. Its completely unresponsive in a way that doesn’t even pretend to give a crap about ideas like responsibility or the principles of not inciting riots. It is just another way of telling us that we can go pound sand for all he cares.

  • Remember when Rush Limbaugh wistfully dreamed of anti-war folks getting their heads chopped off on video tape — why aren’t Democrats comfortable displaying that kind of patriotism?

  • Look I’m not saying anyone should skin Limbaugh alive, slowly, so no matter how deaf his drug abuse has made him the vibrations of his own screams will pierce his skull.

    I’m certainly not advocating that, after he’s skinned alive, he’s thrown into a vat of lemon juice and salt.

    I’m just saying – how GREAT would it be for America if Limbaugh WERE to be skinned alive and forced to soak in salt and lemon juice? How HEALING would it be for this nation?

    Have a Limbaugh-ly Jolly Christmas
    Skinned alive in lemon juice?
    Filled with fear – screams in his ear
    Who cares what rhymes with juice?

    Now, if you THINK I’m requesting anyone to skin Limbaugh alive and soak in him a lemony salty brine, well, than you are just some kind of sick sadist. Seriously, what’s wrong with you? You shouldn’t be reading my posts, because you don’t “get” me!

    Aaaaaaannnd…SCENE!

  • “We don’t burn our cars. We don’t burn down our houses. We don’t kill our children.”

    Rush is correct. By asking his listeners to riot they will be burning someone else’s cars, burning someone else’s houses and killing someone else’s kids. That is, after all, the Republican way.

    In fact, killing other people’s children is the official motto of Yellow Elephants like Rush.

  • Rush a liar and a cheat?

    Inciting a riot… the second felony Rush has comitted.
    One more and its Life in prison!

  • There seems to be a sense in the meta-narrative that when conservatives like Coulter or Limbaugh say outrageous things, they’re only kidding and it doesn’t “really” count. But the left is perceived as hyper-serious, so anything we say is interpreted literally. It’s quite a double standard, but maybe we can help fight it with a John Stewart/Stephen Colbert approach of not coming accross as quite so serious all the time.

  • Instead of sitting at our computers, stroking our hard drives, we could do something useful. Write to the FCC and complain about your local radio station broadcasting an incitement to riot.

    That’s what I’m going to do.

  • I have a dream also. That one day, all people will be judged, not by the color of their skin (or race, sex, political party etc)……but by the content of their character.
    Ohhh…If only…

  • Now try to imagine what would happen if a prominent Democratic voice did the same thing.

    Ah come on CB… nothing to get bitter about here.
    Get over it.

  • Now I’m not saying that Americans should take a lesson from the Romanians as far as how to treat a terrible national leader. I’m also not saying that Chaushescu didn’t deserve what he got…

  • The tragedy of the oldest whore in the brothel. Gotta work it harder to catch the young boy’s eyes.

    Riots at the convention, Vietnam POWs, emerging Black Power, feminism…someday the Sixties are going to end.

  • It’s our duty to encourage riots at the convention so that Obama will be vetted for the General campaign. A riot ain’t nothing compared to what we’re going to do to him.

  • Everything that comes out of Rush’s mouth is crap. No need to parse.

    I’m certainly not advocating it, but if some “passionate” person wanted to be famous like Hinkly or Ray then a target like Rush would be a sure way to get those headlines.

  • How is what Rush said any different from those “lone wolf” organizations who urge white supremacists to kill blacks, but claim innocence when someone actually carries out their “dreams”?

  • Maybe some of the neo-Nazis who shot and killed liberal radio-talk-show-host Alan Berg in Denver in 1984 are still in the Denver area. Maybe they’ve been listening to Rush. Maybe they like Rush’s idea of rioting outside the Dem National Convention in August. Maybe, like Tim McVeigh before them, they’ll be moved to act.

  • Write to the FCC and complain

    You mean the FCC, run by Bush appointees and chaired by North Carolina Republican Kevin Martin? Note this bit in Kevin Martin’s bio:

    Before joining Bush-Cheney 2000, Martin served as legal advisor to FCC Commissioner Harold Furchtgott-Roth, in the Office of the Independent Counsel, and as an associate of Wiley Rein LLP.

    Yeah, I’m sure they get right on looking into your complaint. Maybe they’ll give it the same kind of scrutiny that Ken Starr gave Clinton back when Kevin Martin was working there. But I wouldn’t count on it.

  • There’s a peculiar dreamlike quality to this recent weirdness with Rush (if one checks out the transcripts, it’s really bizarre).

    This may seem petty, but I honestly wondered if he was on drugs again (or inebriated) because the dialogue was just strange, bizarre, disjointed.

  • Remember when W called Rush “A national treasure?” If Randi Rhodes said something like this she would be called a “dangerous radical”.

  • Obviously, the strong feelings of the supporters who back these two candidates, the vitriol evident on message boards, the record turnout shows us that the Democratic Party is screaming for a third candidate to enter the race with a lot of support who can energize the party — Al Gore!

  • Where else could a blowhard self appointed “patriot” like Rush spout his patented creative hatred and “better than thou” religion under a guise of free speech, then retire to his den and tie off for a big fat shot of oxycontin? America, what a country!

  • If I understand this thing correctly, the Limburger was speaking in reference to something Al Sharpton said — that there would be “trouble” if the nomination was wrestled away from Obama at the convention. Hoping that Dems would self-destruct through violent acts is without a doubt disgusting and saying it on air given his audience is irresponsible, but I don’t see that the big stinky cheese is advocating or inciting people to riot — but that it would be good for Rs if Ds did. We could analyze this to death and speculate as to legal jeopardy under various scenarios, but I don’t see it as much different than the crap he spews out any other day.

  • FWIW, Limbaugh’s entire premise was flawed. (Well, his entire show is flawed, but let’s just focus on yesterday.) He says rioting in 1968 led to Nixon’s “landslide” victory. While it’s true that Nixon won a sizable victory in the electoral college, Hubert Humphrey was quite close in the popular vote.

  • I noted this in an open thread last night: 36. On April 24th, 2008 at 10:57 pm, MsJoanne said…

    He gets called to the carpet by a caller who he winds up calling a “mush mind.”

    Someone tell me why he’s not considered a terrorist?

    Radio clip (audio) and written transcript here.

  • Media Browski (#9) has it exactly right:

    Rush Limbaugh’s flailing desperation is both a sign of how desperate they are, and of how desperate he is.

    Limbaugh knows that after a Democratic victory, we are going to re-institute the Fairness Doctrine, and that within the year he and the rest of the fascist blowhards will be reduced to broadcasting on shortwave radio.

    And talk about stupid: how does he think a gaggle of whiteboy ditto heads out to try and provoke a riot will be mistaken for Democrats?

    Actually, what he’s dreaming of is African-Americans rioting if Obama doesn’t get the nomination.

    And none of it’s going to happen. His audience of losers doesn’t have the collective IQ to figure it out, but his (and their) days are numbered – they’ll soon be back to beating their wives and children to express their rage over their loserness.

  • [Rush] kept going. “There won’t be riots at our convention,” Limbaugh said of the Republican National Convention. “We don’t riot. We don’t burn our cars. We don’t burn down our houses. We don’t kill our children. We don’t do half the things the American left does.”

    Christian wackos who vote Republican’t do indeed kill their children. Do we actually HAVE to cite references?

    What a tool.

  • I kind of forgot about Rush. He seems to have less impact now than he has had in the past. People still care about what he says? I’d like to see what kind of ratings he has had lately. I’m assuming his popularity, like Preznit Chimpy, has been going down.

  • edr (#30) says: Mayor Daley was a Democrat. The police riot of 1968 was started by him.

    Actually, no. The Chicago Police rioted because they were afraid of the demonstrators, because they knew they had no back-up. The Illinois National Guard had already proven itself incompetent as a backup, and the police knew that the 5,000 experienced combat troops from Fort Hood (at that time the main riot control base in the country) who were at the Great Lakes Naval Training Center could not be put on the streets because the Army couldn’t guarantee that a significant portion of these Vietnam vets wouldn’t join the demonstrators. Of the 5,000 soldiers, 43 black troops had already refused to get on the airplanes to go to Chicago, and 1,000 of them had in their pocket a little yellow sticker with a white hand in the peace sign” backed by a black fist, which they were going to put on their helmets if called into the streets. Most had stated they wouldn’t club anyone, and some had stated they would join the demonstrators.

    When a government puts 1,000 troops on the streets and tells them to club heads, they have to know all of them will follow orders. If there are 10 who won’t, and they don’t know which 10 they are, the other 990 can’t be used. Can those who were around then and know the situation in the country that summer consider what would have happened if armed Vietnam Veteran troops had joined the demostrators on live television??? The authorities were scared to death of this scenario.

    For those who might ask how I know all this, I was one of the civilians running The Oleo Strut, an antiwar community organizing project at Fort Hood – we were the ones who made the stickers and passed them out.

    This is also why my reaction to Limpdick is that he is merely demonstrating the panther sweat of his desperation.

  • JoeW said:
    Republicans don’t riot? What about Florida in 2000?

    Yeah those guys are calling each other saying, “Hey man, we’re getting the band back together. We’re on a mission from Rush.”

  • The only time Rush Limbaugh bets his name mentioned these days is by an outregeous stunt like this. He really is last year’s model.

    Ironically, the best thing, careerwise, for him would be a Democratic President elected in November.

  • Regarding Lance’s post (Post 39, 12:48pm). That was my thought, too. I remember that the woman who drowned her kids by driving into the lake was the daughter of some prominent Republican mucky-muck. (I think this fact came out shortly after Newt Gingrich blamed the case on Democratic morals.)

    Who else we got?

  • When a government puts 1,000 troops on the streets and tells them to club heads, they have to know all of them will follow orders. If there are 10 who won’t, and they don’t know which 10 they are, the other 990 can’t be used. Can those who were around then and know the situation in the country that summer consider what would have happened if armed Vietnam Veteran troops had joined the demostrators on live television??? The authorities were scared to death of this scenario.
    ——-
    It’s the Nuremburg test- you can do anything if you take the moral safety off by “just following orders”

  • Agenda:

    9 am Continental Breakfast. Tarts and light beer.
    9:30 am sign in
    10 am convention seating and agenda announcements
    10:30 am Speakers: Barbara Boxer and Bill Bradley
    11:30 am Riot break: Speaker: Mel Trefoil. “Looting without a vehicle”
    12 noon Lunch cucumber sandwiches and borscht
    1:00 pm Arm twisting and Ethereal Promises
    2:00 pm Speakers Former Vice President Al Gore and Oprah
    3:00 pm Riot break. Speaker: Rachel Sedgwick “Ergonomic car flipping”
    3:30 pm Musical Performance: “Fleetwood Mac”
    4:00 pm Speakers: Karl Marx and Fred Rogers
    5:00 pm Dinner Quiche and Surplus Cheese
    6:00 pm End of ceremonies riot. Free form. (Suggested theme: Arson)

    Will that work for you, Mr. Limbaugh?

  • Speaking as a resident of Denver, I’m dreaming of someone shooting that fat fuck. You know, like those on the right do.

  • There’s no need to imagine. Randi Rhodes was kicked off of Air America for calling G. Ferraro and H. Clinton f-bomb whores, at an Air America sponsored off air event. FWIW, the comment would be far more accurate if she had said political whores because of the way they have been behaving for the last 4 months, but that part of the answer should get its own thread.

    Should AA have booted RR? Sure, because they sponsored the event, and then KKGN 960 picked her up along with NovaM so Randi isn’t hurting either after the fact [gotta love the market at work]. Malloy’s already there, and she’s unapologetic. Add to that the Imus test for civility, and it is clear that Limpy passed through any objective limits for on-air discussion long ago [phony soldiers, anyone?].

    Limpy’s only one of a whole legion of RW talkers that get free passes for whatever they do, Savage, Prager, Beck of the bombing ratings, Malkin of the false stories and witch hunts, and Bill O’Loofah who doesn’t know the difference between a Nazi and an American soldier murdered at Malmedy ,[among many other sins, maybe that’s why he bailed on the deal he had with Schultz], are merely the most prominent in the news today.

    Then we have the pundits, but that should be a topic for another day.

  • There’s no need to imagine. Randi Rhodes was kicked off of Air America for calling G. Ferraro and H. Clinton f-bomb whores, at an Air America sponsored off air event. FWIW, the comment would be far more accurate if she had said political whores because of the way they have been behaving for the last 4 months, but that part of the answer should get its own thread.

    Should AA have booted RR? Sure, because they sponsored the event, and then KKGN 960 picked her up along with NovaM so Randi isn’t hurting either after the fact [gotta love the market at work]. Malloy’s already there, and she’s unapologetic. Add to that the Imus test for civility, and it is clear that Limpy passed through any objective limits for on-air discussion long ago [phony soldiers, anyone?].

    Limpy’s only one of a whole legion of RW talkers that get free passes for whatever they do, Savage, Prager, Beck of the bombing ratings, Malkin of the false stories and witch hunts, and Bill O’Loofah who doesn’t know the difference between a Nazi and an American soldier murdered at Malmedy [among many other sins, maybe that’s why he bailed on the deal he had with Schultz, are merely the most prominent in the news today.

    Then we have the pundits, but that should be a topic for another day.

  • “We don’t riot. We don’t burn our cars. We don’t burn down our houses”

    Is it physically possible to start a riot, and then claim you don’t riot ? So Rush when you republican tools actually try and start a riot, you can not claim “We” don’t riot.

  • Why hasn’t anybody skinned Rush alive and soaked his body in lemon juice and salt yet?

    Not that I want that to happen, mind you, just surprised it hasn’t.

  • Isn’t there a law against “inciting” a riot?

    I mentioned this item to the FBI’s Denver office, and their response was that Mr. Limbaugh was merely exercising his Constitutionally-protected right to free speech by those remarks.

    Hence, their hands would be tied trying to investigate him for Incitement to Riot and Civil Disorder.

    But then again, there’s always the likelihood of The Oxycontin Cow, by the tone and tenor of those remarks, playing the role of agent provocateur, as it were, all along. That, and seeking all manner of patsies to avoid attracting suspicions in case questions started being asked.

  • Interesting that the FBI won’t follow up. It might be useful to get Phosdex’s conversation into the formal record in the event a riot does happen [regardless of who starts it, and my bet would be the Chaos dittoheads, not the D’s], since the FBI would have failed to act on a broadcast call for violence.

    And, no, it is not free speech because of the call for violence. I’m not rummaging through the SCOTUS input on this, it is basic civics.

    Of course no one could foresee that IOKIYAR. Heck, even Coulter gets to vote in two places.

  • And yet, Chris Wilson (Trailhead) @ “Slate” is essentially arguing the same thing – without, of course, using those exact words. Q: Which do you think is more dangerous? A: No contest. They both are equally dangerous in what is perceived to be a very volatile political time.

    I’d very much like to see some progressive bloggers to take Wilson behind the shed for his dangerous rhetoric, also.

    And I especially don’t want to hear the complaint (as I have already) that it’s youth and therefore somehow beyond or above verbal redress. Because that.doesn’t.cut.it.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/archive/2008/04/24/drop-out-obama.aspx

  • Remember when W called Rush “A national treasure?” If Randi Rhodes said something like this she would be called a “dangerous radical”.

    I think you mean a delusional radical.

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