Lieberman defends radical McCain ally John Hagee

I can appreciate the fact that Joe Lieberman has finished off the McCain Kool Aid. I also realize Lieberman is completely on board with everything McCain says, does, and believes, and will defend the Republican presidential campaign against any charge, regardless of merit.

But I’m a little surprised Lieberman is willing to go so far as to defend radical televangelist John Hagee. We’re obviously well past any and all shark-jumping moments for Lieberman, but given some of Hagee’s thoughts on Judaism, I thought Lieberman might still have a shred of principle in him. I stand corrected.

From a Fox News interview earlier this week, between FNC’s Megyn Kelly and Lieberman:

KELLY: It’s great to have you again. I want to ask you about this Hagee thing before we get to the environment because it’s, you know, the late-breaking news of the day. The DNC already came out with a response to this saying this is insufficient, they want McCain to do more. Let me show you what they said. They say, “unless John McCain’s idea of being a new kind of Republican includes cozying up to radicals who compare women to dogs, hold racially insensitive fundraisers and call one of the worst natural disasters in our country’s history God’s punishment, he should renounce John Hagee’s endorsement immediately.” They don’t seem prepared to let this die. Where do you think it stands? How do we go forward on this?

LIEBERMAN: Well, look, I think that the DNC is obviously doing this because they set Pastor Hagee as some kind of response to Reverend Wright Enhanced Coverage for Senator Obama. But I don’t think that’s fair in the basic way that everybody’s already said which is that never went to Pastor Hagee’s church. He accepted his endorsement. He represents a lot of people in this country, particularly Christians who care about the state of Israel. He founded a group called Christians United for Israel.

Actually, McCain did more than “accept” Hagee’s endorsement. McCain actually worked for a year to engage Hagee, seek his support, and earn the radical preacher’s endorsement. It was active, not passive, and to say otherwise is misleading.

As Lieberman’s general praise for Hagee’s work, I’m going to have to assume that Lieberman has no idea what Hagee has actually said about Jews and Israel.

Ben Smith explained yesterday, for example, that Hagee’s support for Israel is “rooted in the belief that the Jewish state will — soon — be the site of Armageddon,” and his “brand of Christian Zionism closely links support for Israel to the end of the world and the conversion of the Jews to Christianity.”

Hagee’s predictions are very clear. Armageddon, the final battle, could begin, he wrote in his 2007 book “Jerusalem Countdown,” “before this book gets published.”

The Antichrist “will be the head of the European Union,” he writes.

Using geographical calculations based on the Book of Revelation, he writes that Israel will be covered in “a sea of human blood” in the final battle.

The Jews, however, will survive the battle, Hagee says, long enough to have “the opportunity to receive Messiah, who is a rabbi known to the world as Jesus of Nazareth.”

Hagee also believes Jews have been persecuted over the centuries, but as far as he’s concerned, it’s their own fault.

“It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God’s chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day.”

And while we’re at it, Hagee’s “support” for Israel is rooted in the notion that Hagee welcomes Israel’s destruction.

[Hagee] argues that a strike against Iran will cause Arab nations to unite under Russia’s leadership, as outlined in chapters 38 and 39 of the Book of Ezekiel, leading to an “inferno [that] will explode across the Middle East, plunging the world toward Armageddon.” During his appearance on Hinn’s program at the end of last March, for example, the host enthused, “We are living in the last days. These are the most exciting days in church history,” but then went on to add, “We are facing now [the] most dangerous moment for America.” At one point, Hinn clapped his hands in delight and shouted, “Yes! Glory!” and then urged his viewers to donate money faster because he is running out of time to preach the gospel.

So, it’s not that Hagee loves Israel, so much as he foresees a blood-soaked war in the Middle East that leads to Jesus’ return, at which point the Jews who survive will become Christians.

But that’s all fine, according to Joe Lieberman, because Hagee “represents a lot of people in this country, particularly Christians who care about the state of Israel.”

I can’t help but wonder if Lieberman will soon have any friends left outside the far-right evangelical Christian community. I kind of doubt it.

JOE MUST GO

A cry that rang across the nation in the 1950s when Leroy Gore realized that the Wisconsin senator Joe McCarthy was nothing more than a one-trick political hack/pony.

It is time for this rally cry to ring again – most importantly, across CT.

What role did LIEberman play in undermining Al Gore in the stolen 2000 election?

  • Lieberman has already jumped the shark. I guess we can start calling him Zell any day now.

    But as far as Krazy Preachers go, I am not too concerned about what any of them think so much. What they can do is one thing, but their views are another.

  • As Lieberman’s general praise for Hagee’s work, I’m going to have to assume that Lieberman has no idea what Hagee has actually said about Jews and Israel.

    And I’m going to assume that he knows exactly what Hagee and others like him have said, and that he’s happy to put up with end-times Christian Zionism and its gross disregard for/disrespect of Jews in exchange for gaining allies in his particular vision for Israeli foreign policy. In other words, a trade of basic principle for short-term perceived gain.

    Lieberman has become the out-of-control kid you sometimes see in the grocery store. The ineffectual parents keep threatening to really put their foot down soon if he doesn’t stop screaming, pulling down displays and grabbing candy off the shelf to shove in his face. But the kid’s never been called on his bad behavior, so why should he believe his parents mean it this time?

    Lieberman’s drunk with the power of unchecked destructiveness, running through the halls of Congress wildly swinging a bat. Are there any grownups in the party?

  • LIEberman ( what a name) is sucking up to McCain so repulsively because he wants to be McCain’s running mate. Poor Al Gore! He probably has that grossed out feeling one gets after a particularly sloppy and drunken one night stand.

  • Only in the reality-based community does McCain alligning himself with Mr. 28%, and Joe Leiberman jumping from the winning Party not make sense.

  • Sure, Hagee and I have our differences, and McCain and I belong to different parties, but we agree in the one area that matters: a deep-rooted need to keep aour fingers on McCain’s bearings.

  • The latest Hagee statement that’s been unearthed is this:

    Jews have dead souls. [ source ]

    The crazy thing, given the course that Zell Lieberman has taken, I’m apt to give Hagee the benefit of the doubt. In one particular instance.

  • It was Lieberman who called Hagee the “modern day Moses” at the conference of Christians in support of Israel. Hagee is a madman guilty of sedition and a billionaire and that latter point is exactly why McCain sought his endorsement and why Lieberman sucks up to Hagee’s ridiculous rant.

    There is a video of the conference but Hagee would not let himself be filmed or interviewed and people were standing around discussing what would happen to their belongings when they were “raptured” away. That whole crowd is delusional and only see Jews as dead meat necessary to bring on Armageddon where they will die horribly or accept Jesus. Hagee insists on inserting his beliefs in US foreign policy and uses Lieberman and a few other notable congressmen to get invited to the WH foreign policy discussions. The more video of Hagee we can get before the public eye the more it will be seen how deranged this mega billionaire preacher is. He is one hate filled crazy man.

  • At the rate he’s going, Joe’s going to get kicked out of not just the Democratic Party, but Judaism too.

  • The love affair between Hagee and Lieberman goes back some time, with mutual expressions of praise and Lieberman even comparing Hagee to Moses! Max Blumenthal has a very interesting video of that encounter here.

    I discuss the strange relationship between right-wing Jews, Israel, and Rapture-ready Christians here.

  • Benen: As Lieberman’s general praise for Hagee’s work, I’m going to have to assume that Lieberman has no idea what Hagee has actually said about Jews and Israel.

    Now. Now. Be nice. Joe is just “turning the other cheek.”

  • More weak comparisons…let me know when y’all can come up with one that has something like a 20+ year close relationship…so to speak whilst smiling at such desperation.

  • there is a yiddish phrase whose precise transliteration to english i couldn’t find in a couple minutes of searching that goes “shtunde for the goyim,” which means a jew who basically fronts for the goyim.

    need i say more?

  • And just think, had Al Gore won the challenge in Florida, this man would be our presumptive nominee.

  • What is it about these Bush bots that makes them willing to sell out their principals, their Party, even their God, all for their true Messiah, George W. Bush?

    Is their nothing more sacred to Liebercain than W?

  • Lieberman, as a Jew, doesn’t believe a word of Hagee’s nonsense, so it probably doesn’t matter to him what comes out of Hagee’s mouth with regards to Armageddon. It’s like when a Christian tells an atheist that they’re going to hell. As long as Hagee is convincing lots of stupid Americans that Israel has to be left alone as it commits its ongoing crimes, Lieberman will smile at Hagee and say nice things about him and his hateful flock.

    Lieberman is nothing but a front man for the Zionist criminals, and he could care less what the American idiots believe, as long as they send Israel billions of dollars and veto every UN resolution Israel doesn’t like.

  • It would be an interesting exercise to attribute some of Hagee’s statements to Reverend Wright, and ask Lieberman what significance those statements should have for Obama’s electability.

  • What is even more hilarious is that McCain has already admitted that seeking Hagee’s endorsement was “probably” a mistake and has been trying to brush it under the rug, but here comes Joe, turning the rug back and making it an issue.

    Lieberman is a putz, and I’m not referring to the closer for the Seattle Mariners.

    But think how bad it would be if he were campaigning for us insteaf of against us.

  • Hartford Courant, August 9, 2007:

    Last month, Lieberman warmly greeted Pastor John Hagee, a founder of Christians United for Israel and a man who agrees with Lieberman’s view that a pre-emptive U.S. strike may one day be necessary to neutralize Iran.

    “I would describe Pastor Hagee with the words the Torah uses to describe Moses,” Lieberman told Hagee and his followers at a recent conference the group held in Washington, at which Lieberman was invited to speak. “He is an `Eesh Elo Kim,’ a man of God, because those words fit him; and like Moses, he has become the leader of a mighty multitude in pursuit of defense of Israel.”

    But Hagee also has preached that sin in New Orleans may have brought on the devastation of Hurricane Katrina, which Hagee says arrived just in time to stop a “homosexual parade.”

    Lieberman said he disagreed with Hagee’s comments about New Orleans, but he did not regret addressing Hagee’s group or comparing the pastor to Moses. A copy of Lieberman’s speech to the group is on his Senate website.

    “Frankly, I didn’t know what he had said – I heard about it since then – about New Orleans,” said Lieberman, who had never met Hagee before his speech. “But he is a very good man. He and his group, I think, represent an important force in our politics.”

  • LIEberman ( what a name) — gorp, @5

    “Lieber” actually means “dear”… Yeah, I know, enough to make you gag.

    As for Joe Lie, I expect he’s getting ready to convert; he’s already changed the party, why not religion as well?

  • Ah, don’t you all get it? Joe’s got such strong committment to principle he just knows he’ll be one of the 144,000 Jews who recognize Jesus as their messiah and don’t die in the sea of blood.

    If Joe had lived in Poland during World War II and been put in Auschwitz, he’d have volunteered to be a Kapo.

  • Do you really think that Hagee and his ilk would give a damn about Israel if they didn’t believe in this end time nonsense? Conservative Christians in this country have a long history of anti-Semitism. It is only in the last few decades that they have started to support Israel.

    Besides, anyone who’s as thrilled about the destruction of the Earth as Hagee is shouldn’t have any amount of power. He should also stay away from sharp objects.

  • Alternate title: Joe demonstrates how many Republi-cocks he can fit in his mouth at once.

    Sorry, but that man would blow a dead elephant … Well, I guess in a way he is blowing a dead pachyderm. I hope Connecticut figures out what the hell is in the water before the next election.

  • On May 16th, 2008 at 7:32 pm, Tom Cleaver said:

    If Joe had lived in Poland during World War II and been put in Auschwitz, he’d have volunteered to be a Kapo.

    Thanks, Tom. I was trying to remember the term used for the Jews who curried favor with the SS in those camps, and Liebermann would certainly fit the bill. For those of you not familiar with the term:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapo_%28concentration_camp%29

  • Hey, this is the man Obama campaigned for. And now you think so little of Obama’s judgment that you are throwing his guy overboard? Doesn’t Obama stand by his choices? We wouldn’t have Lieberman around if people like Obama hadn’t gone to CT to help him. (Yes, I know Clinton did too, but there is a lot more reason why she would owe him the favor than Obama would. She had to go but Obama chose to go.)

  • Lieberman is a zealous neocon who would defend Satan himself if he thought it would benefit Israel. He needs to pack his bags and move to the country he truly loves.

  • We wouldn’t have Lieberman around if people like Obama hadn’t gone to CT to help him. (Yes, I know Clinton did too, but there is a lot more reason why she would owe him the favor than Obama would. She had to go but Obama chose to go.)

    Insane Fake Professor, is that you?

  • I am trying to get my mind around this whole subject of state/religion. You see, We are NOT allowed to place a little Nativity scene in front of town-hall for a few weeks a year, but we ARE allowed to build and support a massive “Holocaust Memorial” in Washington D.C. We are dropping bombs on women and children all through the Middle East to kill their Fundamentalists, but these Fruitcake Fundamentalists are allowed FREE ACCESS to the highest levels of American government. To top it off, WE helped organize Their fundamentalists to get them to fight the Russians…………. I believe We are Systemically INSANE.

  • what is up with Joe Lieberman? Frankly, I think he’s come unhinged since 9/11. It’s one thing to support McCain because you support his foreign policy which you perceive as friendly to Israel; it’s something entirely different to defend a whacko nutjob who can’t wait for the destruction of the world.

    Unbelievable that a crackpot like this has enough perceived power that a presidential candidate would seek his endorsement. At least people aren’t seeking Wright’s.

    Why would anybody in their right mind support the wild apocolyptic prophecies of this man?

    For Lieberman to labor under the notion that Hagee wants anything other than the conversion of the Jews is terribly naive. What about those who don’t convert? They become part of the bloodbath that Hagee can’t wait to witness.

  • read the Plot Against America. In it, there is a Rabbi who sounds an awful lot like Joe Lieberman.

  • why is lieberman still parading as a democrat? I don’t get it. The democratic party should boot him out publicly.

  • (Yes, I know Clinton did too, but there is a lot more reason why she would owe him the favor than Obama would. She had to go but Obama chose to go.)

    And Mare shows no embarrassment whatsoever in making this statement. You can’t make this stuff up.

  • Group think. Joe Lieberman won’t toe the party line – drop him. If you call yourself a “progressive” a.k.a. “liberal, why do you attempt to shout down those who disagree with you? Isn’t dialougue a good thing? Even BHO wants to meet with all the terriost and rogue states around the world. Seems incongruant to me.

  • Hagee is more dangerous than Wright. Bush at the Knesset invoked Hagees words verbetim from his book, “Jerusalem Countdown”

    They have been lobbying Republicans for awhile with his organization CUFI. What Bush did last week was try to energize the base of the party, evangelicals. It is bigger than Obama. This is about the Republicans Hagee has been leading. This is the new Southern Strategy….It is no longer race baiting, it is “End Times” strategy.

  • CB,
    The Bible tells him this stuff is going to happen whether he likes it or not.

    Whether it happens sooner or later Jews today or Jews in some future day are going to die along with a mess of Christians and Muslims in Armageddon.

    So…. are the Jews of tomorrow worth so much less than the Jews of today that we wish to delay this inevitability?

    He simply wishes to support Israel in hopes of being a witness to the grand finale of the greatest story he knows of. It’s not vicious unless you think Armageddon does not need to happen which is NOT possible for a Bible literalist such as Hagee.

    Hagee is not setting up Israel for a fall. He merely likes to think that his support of Israel

    On the other hand, his apparent support of a strike on Iran and making God’s will manifest through his personal effort should strike some proper Christians as blasphemous.

    God invokes the Armageddon, but will the messiah look kindly upon those that brought it about as kindly as Judas, the cause of the crucifixion? Even if both events are seen as ultimately good things, the agents that made them happen may be viewed by a great number of souls as loathsome villains.

  • thought was cut off:

    Hagee is not setting up Israel for a fall. He merely likes to think that his support of Israel will allow Armageddon in his lifetime to be a possibility.

  • I’m noticing a VERY jewish double standard here. Jews criticize, insult, and make hate speech against non-jewish whites ALL THE TIME. Here are some examples:

    http://www.vdare.com/roberts/harvard_genocide.htm
    http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2008/04/prof_backs_out.php

    Jews love to talk NON STOP about white privelege, and how evil non-jewish whites are. And let’s not forget all the Hollywood movies made in the last several years that have black main character heroes and white villains, and how whites are portrayed as nerdy and geeky and blacks are cool in all jewish produced television shows these days.

    Yet you idiots are talking about kapos and “disrespect for jews” and other stupidity. Who knows, maybe you’re kikes yourselves, maybe you’re just self-hating white liberals that are ashamed to be white and have guilt, but you people justify neo-nazism.

  • Rooting for the Rapture: Hagee and Lieberman

    Hagee believes in Armageddon, the Holocaust, the Rapture and that SpongeBob is Gay and Satanic.
    Hagee wants to nuke Iran to kick off the festivities.
    Lieberman compares him to Moses.
    You make the call.

    from Praying for Armageddon
    06/12/2007
    (http://www.mnweekly.ru/world/20071206/55295032.html)

    “We want you to recognize that Iran is a clear and present danger to the United States of America and Israel. And… that it’s time for our country to consider a military pre-emptive strike against Iran if they will not yield to diplomacy,” says Pastor John Hagee, a popular television preacher and head of Christians United for Israel (CUFI), an organization that he founded in February 2006.

    That was said, of all places, on the steps of the Capitol during a Christian Zionist summit in July 2007. Among some 4,500 listeners, there were prominent representatives of the U.S. ruling elite: on the Republican side, presidential candidate John McCain, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, and former Republican House majority leader Tom DeLay; among the Democrats, Senator Joseph Lieberman was in attendance. Israel was represented at the rally by former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    “When 50 million American evangelicals unite with 5 million American Jews, you know it is a match made in heaven,” the preacher said. In response, Sen. Lieberman said of the preacher:
    “I would describe Pastor Hagee with the words the Torah uses to describe Moses: he is an ‘Eesh Elo Kim,’ a man of God because those words fit him; and, like Moses he has become the leader of a mighty multitude in pursuit of and defense of Israel.” ”

    Also see what Hagee says about sponge bob, @ http://archives.wittenburgdoor.com/archives/spongebob.html

    and google “Lieberman and Hagee”

  • God Bless Rev. Hagge and GOD BLESS Liberman…….We all will be judged sometime soon. Look up dear folks. You can soon see the Lord standing in the Mt. Olive in Jerusalem Read Revelation in the Bible. Christ says(I come quickly)

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