Lieberman pulls a Cheney on Pelosi

I am so spectacularly tired of debunking the right’s absurd attacks on Speaker Pelosi’s Syria trip that I promised not to do anymore posts on the subject. But Joe Lieberman’s nonsense yesterday requires just one more visit to the subject.

[Yesterday] on CNN, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) said he “strongly disagrees” with Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-CA) bipartisan delegation to Syria, calling it a “mistake” and “bad for the United States of America.”

Lieberman added, “I say this because we’re in a war. We’re in a war against the Islamic terrorists who attacked us on 9-11-01.” CNN anchor Wolf Blitzer responded, “But they had nothing to do with 9-11.” Lieberman dodged the issue and changed topics.

Now, it was telling that it took Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), of all people, to step in and defend Pelosi. On the same CNN program, Specter, who has made a series of trips to Syria in recent years, said, “She has a very prominent constitutional role in determining what’s going to happen in the Iraq war. I don’t think it is helpful for people in the administration to characterize her as being engaged in, quote ‘bad behavior,’ unquote.”

Regardless, Lieberman’s smear seemed unusually inane, even by his standards. Indeed, his comments were transparently wrong, with no real foundation in reality. The president knew about Pelosi’s trip in advance; an administration official participated in the discussion at Damascus; Republican lawmakers also traveled to Syria and met with Assad; Pelosi’s message from Israel could play a helpful diplomatic role, and the line the Speaker took with the Syrians reinforced Bush administration policy. (And let’s not even bother with Syria’s role in 9/11.)

So, why make blatantly bogus attacks on national television? Because as Ezra explained very well today, the push-back against Pelosi isn’t really about Syria or last week’s trip.

What we’re really seeing here is a side battle of the Iraq funding fight; Bush is trying to weaken Pelosi on foreign policy issues in advance of his veto. Lieberman, too, is trying to paint those he disagrees with as weak, untrustworthy, and ill-informed on terror, a particularly rich approach given that his attacks betray an utter incomprehension of who we’re actually at war with and who attacked us on 9/11. And so it goes, that’s politics.

But this issue isn’t complicated. Bush and the State Department both knew about Pelosi’s trip. Dozens of members of Congress have gone to Syria and met with Assad; none of them have faced criticism for the act. Bush discovered a newfound problem with the trip when some advisors suggested there’d be an opening to put Democrats on the defensive by pretending to protect the traditional powers of the presidency and create a false proxy war over Congress’s ability to interfere with his foreign policy. Lieberman also doesn’t want Congress employing oversight against Bush, and so was willing to go all 2003 on us and mendaciously equate Syria to 9/11. Everyone’s got their own games here, but just about none of them have to do with Syria, or even Pelosi’s trip. That’s just pretext.

Excellent point. Some of Pelosi’s right-wing critics have been attacking her for trivia, such as wearing a head-scarf to a Syrian mosque, but the Bush/Lieberman line is more sophisticated than sophomoric nonsense. It’s also equally malicious.

When the House passed the Dems’ withdrawal timelines, tied to funding the war, Pelosi emerged from the fight stronger and with more stature. Going into a fight with the White House over funding (timelines vs. open-ended commitment), a resilient Speaker with a popular message was politically inconvenient.

So they came up with this garbage to bring her down a peg (or two), not because the facts support their claims, but because facts are utterly irrelevant.

Post Script: By the way, am I the only one who gets the impression that Lieberman intentionally says stupid things just to annoy liberal bloggers? Or is it to test the limits of the caucus’ patience?

Indeed, his comments were transparently wrong, with no real foundation in reality.

Question: are any of Lieberman’s comments on anything NOT “transparently wrong, with no real foundation in reality”????

  • Lieberman doesn’t care about the internets or riling up the bloggers. (He has the Useless Twosome of DANGERSTIEN and BullSh*t Moose to do that.) He’s still angling to be the “noble centrist” so when he finally, tearfully, regretfully joins the Republican caucus next year he can moan about how he did everything he could to fight the good fight but the Democrats just weren’t serious about the War on Terror.

  • I loved how Loserman blatantly lied about Bush doing “low level” diplomacy with Syria, but Specter challenged him to document what exactly he was talking about, Loserman comlpetely fumbled.

    It’s sad that CNN didn’t invite a Democrat into the discussion, and if there were a vote, Specter would vote to condemn Pelosi, BUT at the end of the day, Loserman was Smacked Down.

  • Re: Lieberman saying stupid things.

    The man is a self-important prick. Saying stupid, annoying things is what self-important pricks do. He still takes his three-way tie for third place in the 04 NH primary and Ned Lamont’s victory over him in the 06 CT Senate primary very personally. So, I can imagine he takes some glee in poking the sharp stick of his mendacity in the eye of those Democrats whom he blames for his sorry showings. He has demonstrated his willingness to stiff the people of CT – telling them one thing during his campaign and doing another once he had secured his seat. It would not surprise me in the least if he bolted the caucus at the most inopportune time for all of us. It seems hard to overestimate his toxicity these days.

  • What’s with fair and balanced CNN when they feature Lieberman and Specter as Sunday’s twin talking heads? I wouldn’t be surprised if next Sunday they invite Orin Hatch and Dick Cheney. Republican friendly spin is a MSM trademark.

  • On MTP on sunday, David Gregory brought up a good point that Pelosi’s handling of this was sloppy – I tend to agree. As another guest mentioned (I think he’s head of political news for NBC), as Speaker, Pelosi should be anticipating that every single thing she does will be scrutinized to the nth degree. She should have broadcast the names of the GOPers that were on the trip, the State Dept officials, maybe bring someone from Baker/Hamilton, whatever.

    The point is to think about this stuff beforehand – they need to hire some really slimy, low life dirtball POS and pay him to sit around and think “Hmmm, what would Karl do? What will Rush say?….” And then prepare for it that way.

  • Alternate title for this post: LIEberman pulls his head out of his arse and spits out some crap.

    I think JoeLie has two purposes in life:

    1. Make the citizens of Connecticut hang their heads in shame.
    2. Replacing Jeff Gannon as BushBrat’s best boy.

  • I swear, he’s getting stupider by the month.

    i’m torn about whether the dems should just boot him out or not. on the one hand, i acknowledge that i underestimated the utility of the subpoena power, which now that we see it in action, is well worth maintaining; on the other hand, lieberman really isn’t trying to hide his republicanism any more.

  • ABC morons: “…Two U.S. senators went against their usual party lines today…”

    Oh really? Since when would Lieberman be a Democrat? And does the CFL party even have a line to go against?

    It’s nice of the media to provide us with opinions from both the lone congressional member of the “Connecticut For Lieberman” party AND a Republican. Who needs to hear from the majority party anyway?

    Hey moron media:
    Can you please get some national polling data on how many American people believe any of the crap Lieberman has been spewing, and then ask yourselves why this kind of fringy moron should be invited on teevee so often?

    Please?

  • C’mon people, it’s painfully obvious why LIEBerman is such a staunch support of the “War on Terror”… he’s a jew. He cares more about Israel’s security than he does about the United States. I say we send his ass to Tel-Aviv where he belongs, and let someone who cares about OUR country occupy his senate seat.

  • I don’t know about an Iraq exit policy, but I can see the Bushling’s “exit policy” clear as a bell:

    In the closing days of the Bush presidency, the entire administration, with the exception of Bush himself, will resign. Bush will then place Lieberman in the role of VP, via a recess appointment. Once this is done, Bush will resign, leaving in place Lieberman as the acting President, who will be sworn in without so much as a by-your-leave for the Congress—and Lieberman will summarily pardon Bush. Now, I’m not too clear on how this next part could work, but if there’s a way for Lieberman to become VP, and then POTUS, all in the same day, without formally resigning from the Senate, then he’ll resign from the Presidency before Congress can come back into session.

    During this mass-exodus period, huge quantities of data will “disappear” into numerous private briefcases, shipping containers destined to “unknown locations outside the United States,” and a large battery of shredders and incinerators.

    After all, a US Senator knows that he has no power over the House—so why else would Darth Joe be weighing in on this issue? The only points he scores on this most recent tirade is with Bu$hCo—and he comes across as being bought and paid for by the WH.

    It is an extremely quick and easy way to become POTUS 44….

  • I wonder if the closed-captioning of Lieberman’s remarks comes out as “Blah-blah-blah,” with an occasional “Blah-di-blah.”

    He says nothing of interest, and for the life of me, I do not know why he is regarded as being worth listening to – about anything.

  • But they had nothing to do with 9-11.” Lieberman dodged the issue and changed topics.

    He can dodge…
    But he can’t run and hide.

    In other words:
    I suspect someone somewhere is gonna vociferously ring this bell again.

  • Anne:

    I do not know why he is regarded as being worth listening to – about anything.

    A little like Chance the Gardener.

    Except:

    Subtract some charm…
    Divide out the innocence…
    Add some arrogance…
    And multiply in some malice…

    There:
    Joe’s just like Chance the Gardener.

  • Can’t believe how many leftwing Jews have deserted Lieberman when he was so well-regarded by them when he was the runningmate of the freaklike Algore.

  • It’s pretty obvious to me that Lieberman has gone into full-time Cheney mode. He uses the same talking points, and regarding this matter, he said the same exact thing: that the trip was bad for America. There no two bigger dead-enders on the war than Cheney and Lieberman.

    Joe is so in the tank, I doubt he’ll ever make his way back to reality.

    Much to my shame, he’s my Senator, and he’s a national embarrassment. I cringe every time he opens his mouth, because we can all be sure he’s going to lie or say something completely inane.

    I personally think our state owes the nation an apology. So, sorry America. We tried to get rid of him.

  • Let me assure you that not all Jews support Leiberman nor do they blindly support Israel. Quite the contrary, actually, so please don’t make that mistake again to lump us all together. In fact, I know of no Jews who support Leiberman.

    Leiberman is an embarassment to many Jews, and to the citizens of Connecticut also, who I am sure wouldn’t have voted for him if they knew he would act like this. Are they allowed to recall their US Senator?

  • I join with Oliver Willis in fervently pleading that the Dems elect more senators in 2008, so we no longer have to depend on this @#$%&*!! blowhard for anything. And I ask the people of Connecticut: What in heaven’s name were you thinking????

  • Lieberman IS a tortuous embarassment, much like Senator Jese Helms was to North Carolina, the difference partly being Connecticut is supposed to be progressive, free thinking, blah, blah, blah. HEY! WAKE UP! Idiots are idiots, no matter what state….I DO blame the citizens of the state….I watched in abject disdain as the apologists for Joe kept blathering how he stood by them, so they’re also standing by their man, like the good good troopers and brown shirts they were. !@#$%!! . Now he holds the Dems hostage?! Why can’t he be recalled? Can’t Dodd and company reign him in at all? WHEN will the Dems grow a spine? Throw him out and the sooner the better… I’d like to think some good “centrist” republican might shift to the dems to “balance it all out….the stakes are that high. Well, one can wish….

  • Re: #18

    . . .Did Lieberman win by a majority, or did he just have “the most”? If you want elections to be decided by majority ONLY, then propose instant runoff voting (IRV) to the nearest high school student. Consider his/her school to be a newly planted Tree of Liberty; nurture it.

    . . . Forty-nine states do not require a majority for local, state, and congressional elections, let alone presidential. Your h.s. students, like your college students, will adopt IRV because a majority in one election means no runoffs, higher turnout, and by definition, no chance of someone winning with less than half!

    “Improving Student Government Elections”
    http://www.fairvote.org/schools/irv.rtf

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