Lieberman takes the cheap shot on Hamas

Shortly after promising not to engage in these kinds of attacks, John McCain went after Barack Obama a few weeks ago over an ostensible “endorsement” from a Hamas spokesperson. It was a cheap and ridiculous move — especially given the fact that McCain and Obama have the same position on Hamas — which Time’s Joe Klein accurately described as “gutter crap.”

It was therefore not surprising at all to see Joe Lieberman repeat and legitimize the bogus line yesterday on CNN.

Lieberman began by complaining about Obama’s “lost his bearings” comment, insisting, “[T]o say he lost his bearings suggests something more fundamental and personal.” (It really wasn’t.)

But when Wolf Blitzer noted that McCain and Obama have the same position, Lieberman conceded that this was true and acknowledged that Obama “clearly doesn’t support any of the values and goals of Hamas.”

But then he had to add: “But the fact that the spokesperson for Hamas would say they would welcome the election of Senator Obama really does raise the question, ‘Why?’ And it suggests the difference between these two candidates.”

I’ve come to expect very little from Lieberman, especially in his new-found role as a Republican surrogate, but this is just wildly unnecessary and more than a little inappropriate.

Back when McCain was making similar comments, Andrew Sullivan explained why the entire Hamas attack is a mistake.

My response is simply that honorable campaigns do not allow foreign agents, especially terrorist organizations, to insert themselves into American presidential politics. No respectable foreign governments do such a thing; and the gambits of al Qaeda, Hamas, or any other grouping to play one candidate against another should in general be ignored, not exploited.

It is, of course, a perfectly legitimate campaign issue to fight over what US policy should be toward Hamas. Are there circumstances in which we should negotiate with them? How coherent is American foreign policy when it rests on a belief that democracy should spread in the Arab world, but refuses to recognize one of the very few governments that does have some democratic legitimacy? Are we right to see Hamas as an extension of Iranian power? Etc. But you can make these arguments and talk about these issues without resorting to canards such as “the terrorists want my opponent to win.” It’s a lame and cheap shot. And beneath McCain.

I’m not sure if it’s beneath Lieberman, but the sentiment clearly applies.

It’s not complicated: if terrorists try to intervene in a U.S. election, and exploit American political divisions, honorable people don’t legitimize their efforts. McCain and Lieberman used to understand that, but I’m afraid both have clearly lost their bearings together.

By the way, as long as we’re talking about Lieberman, he was on CNN again this morning to talk about Iraq, and mentioned that Iraqis “obviously” do not want U.S. troops to stay in Iraq “forever.” He added that McCain realizes this and it’s reflected in his policy.

I guess it depends on the meaning of “forever,” doesn’t it? As far as McCain is concerned, U.S. troops should stay in Iraq to fight a war for the indefinite future. Once the war is over, McCain believes U.S. troops should then be prepared to stay in Iraq for 100 years, if not longer.

But McCain and Lieberman realize Iraqis don’t want us there “forever.” What a relief.

Joe says that he personally checks McCain’s bearings quite often, and they look just fine to him.

  • BuzzMon @ #1, the thing I don’t understand is, how on earth can Joe possibly check McCain’s bearings? It seems that the members of the press have their mouths on them at all times, only letting up for the occasional lobbyist!

  • Haiku, you need to be more specific. Joe Lieberman does NOT represent Israel at large. His views are in step with the Likud Party. You wouldn’t want all of America equated with the GOP, would you? Well then, don’t equate all of Israel with Likud.

  • By embracing, endorsing and lying for the Republican nominess, Leiberman has demonstrated his centrism, yet the partisan extremists in the Democratic Party refuse to do the same.

  • #4 CC:

    point taken,
    must be painting with the same
    broad brush strokes (hamas’ pref = something wrong w/ obama)
    as lieberman

  • The legitimately and democratically elected government (Hamas) of a country (Palestine) endorses Obama. What’s the big deal? Are people afraid that Obama will suddenly hold Israel to the standards the US holds every other country to? And if he does, why is that bad? I’ll bet McCain got the nod from Olmert, who, like Sharon preceding him, is mired in a corruption scandal. Why not have a candidate who seeks peace and not more of the senseless genocide of the Palestinian people?

  • I read somewhere that someone from al Queda said he wanted McCain to win, since he’d continue Bush’s Iraq policy and, thus, continue making it easy for them to recruit terrorists.

    Strangely, I have yet to see Obama or his surrogates on TV labeling McCain as the “Al Queda candidate.”

    Maybe they should.

  • Leiberman is part of our re-branding of the Republican Party. The same old formula you know in love, with new, mavericky packaging. -#7

    It’s like adding racing stripes to your Model T

  • I hope Harry Reid is going to kick that little prick over the wall come November. If he doesn’t, then we need to kick Harry Reid over the wall.

  • For anyone who did not see it, Time this past week released its 100 most influential people issue. Obama, Clinton and McCain were all included (natch). Deval Patrick wrote the kiss-up for Obama, Rob Reiner did the same for Clinton, and for McCain. . . yep. Lieberman. Talking about how McCain will be a great President.

  • wierd…my comment @10 got cutoff (note to self: preview. love it. use it.)

    my addition to the italicized quotes was that I totally agree that Likud does not speak for all of Isreal. Thankfully. Israel is home to some of the most progessive people on the planet. Tarring them with Likud’s awfully policies is unacceptable.

  • I hope Harry Reid is going to kick that little prick over the wall come November. If he doesn’t, then we need to kick Harry Reid over the wall.

    Agreed. Personally I think if things play out as generally expected, Clinton would be a great Senate Majority Leader (without Lieberman in the caucus, of course).

  • What Obama understands from living abroad, but which most Americans don’t, is that most of our enemies aren’t truly evil. That is, they don’t hide in their secret lairs plotting ways to destroy the world.

    Yes, there are a few like North Korea’s Kim Jung Il, who probably don’t care how many people have to die so they can remain in power. But most of our enemies in the world, people like Vladimir Putin or the leaders of Hamas, genuinely believe that they are doing what is best for their people. And like it or not, the United States has to negotiate with these leaders because significant majorities in their countries support them.

    Naturally Hamas’ leaders want Barack Obama to be the next president. The alternative is an angry old man who seems willing to allow the killing of more and more of the brown-skinned Palestinians until they finally give up and allow Israel’s occupation of their territory to become permanent.

  • Obama “clearly doesn’t support any of the values and goals of Hamas”…”as far as I know.”
    Why not go all the way, Joe? You know you wanna!

  • I know the Dems would rather have Lieberman inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in. But most often lately it’s seemed like Lieberman is inside the tent pissing in. And now he’s crapped in it too.

  • Is Lieberman going to face any Democratic opposition in his next re-election campaign? And if not, WhyTF not?

  • Jibeaux @ #21, Lieberman isn’t up for re-election until 2012. Nobody is planning that far in advance. I’m personally hoping he’ll retire . . . especially after he loses all his seniority and his sway over the senate next year, when we increase our majority!

  • 9. On May 12th, 2008 at 3:40 pm, Mark D said:
    I read somewhere that someone from al Queda said he wanted McCain to win, since he’d continue Bush’s Iraq policy and, thus, continue making it easy for them to recruit terrorists.

    … and continue to watch the US exhaust itself politically, economically and militarily. as one of steve’s recent posts indicated, we underestimated al qaeda pre 9/11 and overestimate them post 9/11.

  • Is Lieberman going to face any Democratic opposition in his next re-election campaign? And if not, WhyTF not?

    He did in the 2006 campaign… and the good folk of CT are already pissed that they voted for him

  • Also telling: if they redid the ’06 elections, 74% of CT Republicans would vote for Joe.

  • Joe Lieberman – Joe McCarthy: one in the same persons, only separated by time and space and not by temperment or tactics. To Joe L. – what a putz you are! -Kevo

  • I have a theory regarding the Republicans always indicating that “our enemy” always would want the Democratic candidate to win. I think “our enemy” Al Kaida
    (spelling?) would actually prefer to have a Republican in office because they always respond in a predictable way. If we actually had a president who has critical thinking skills and not just knee jerk reactions, we might actually defeat “our enemy” at their own game. If we helped the civilian populations with the building of hospitals, schools and roads and other infrastructure, we would be appreciated rather than demonized. Oops, I forgot. The last eight years our own infrastructure has been totally ignored. Maybe we should take care of our own problems first.

    It’s sad to see how the American people assume the Republicans will protect us. It was on their watch when September 11, 200l occurred. So, the October surprise will probably be another long awaited video of Osama Bin Laden singing the accolades of Senator Obama Once again Americans will be duped into believing a vote for Republican nominee is exactly what “our enemy” doesn’t want. I think a very good psychology game is being played on the American electorate.

  • Wasn’t it just last week that Harry Reid was publicly assuring Joey that his committee seats weren’t in jeopardy no matter what he did?

    Way to run a majority.

  • Does it surprise anyone that this sort of thing is starting already? Obama campaigned for Lieberman and now he is getting his just reward, in my opinion. Obama isn’t even the nominee yet and they are trying to make hay off the vague “foreignness” of being named Barack Hussein and the Hamas endorsement only emphasizes the anti-American meme started about him. It is only going to get worse. Lieberman is especially brazen about this, which should tell you how ugly this will get — they aren’t leaving it to any whispering campaign any more. This is partly why Clinton and so many other Democrats have worried that Obama may not be electable. He cannot change his name and he has no control over what the Republicans and other conservatives will say about him. They quoted Adlai Stevenson on NPR this morning: A woman voter stated “You are the candidate of every intelligent voter.” he replied “That isn’t enough madam, I need a majority to win.” That will be Obama’s problem and he will take our party down with it in Nov.

  • I no longer have much of a doubt. Watching Lieberman for the past two years, I’ve had an inkling, but the Hamas smear has me convinced.

    Lieberman will be the Republican vice-presidential candidate with John McCain.

  • Clinton isn’t even the nominee yet and they are trying to make hay off her gender with sexist insults and her husband’s campaigning only emphasizes that she wouldn’t even be in the Senate without him. It is only going to get worse. Republicans are especially brazen about this, which should tell you how ugly this will get — they aren’t even trying to pretend any more. This is partly why so many Democrats have worried that Clinton may not be electable. She cannot change her gender and she has no control over what the Republicans and other conservatives will say about her.

  • That will be Obama’s problem and he will take our party down with it in Nov.

    Honey, it’s not your party. You gave up any claim to that when you said you wouldn’t vote for the Democratic nominee. You’re just another emotionally unstable giant ego with a vote now.

  • Danimal @ #30, Lieberman has categorically ruled out being the VP candidate. I have a hunch he’s angling for SecDef in a McCain administration.

    Interesting how Lieberman and Hagel are political mirror images of one another, and now each is likely to be the SecDef in the administration of the opposite party from which he started.

  • Maria — there is no Democratic nominee yet. It is still my party. It is the party of those who are registered Democrats. It is NOT the party of all those independents and crossover Republicans who have given Barack Obama so many votes.

    Caped Composer — Why would Clinton or Obama be seriously considering Hagel when we have excellent talent in our own party? Reaching across the aisle or being a unity candidate doesn’t mean sabotaging your own administration by appointing someone to a key position whose ideas are substantially different from your own. For Hagel to accept such a position, he would have to set aside his own presidential ambitions because he would not be able to run against the President of an administration he has been part of.

  • Hairy — you capture the party’s dilemma perfectly. Is it harder to get elected as an African American man with minimal experience, suspect associations and a foreign sounding name or as a well-qualified woman who has devoted her life to public service? Tell me again why you think Obama is more electable.

  • Tell me again why you think Obama is more electable.

    Well, he managed to take down the vaunted “Clinton Machine”, did he not? And in the Democratic Party no less.

    Please tell us why Hillary is so electable when she couldn’t stay with an inexperienced empty suit with suspect associations and a foreign sounding name. despite having universal name recognition, a fund raising apparatus built up over 20 years, extensive institutional support and a wildly popular ex-president for a husband.

  • Pug: Well said and amen. The Clinton machine is better (2-0 ) than the Republican slime machine and Obama beat it without too much of a sweat.

    Caped Composer: I know the Lieberman as veep trial balloon was categorically denied, just as almost every other veep rumor for the past 50 years has been denied until acceptance is announced. I just don’t believe the denials. He’s burning too many bridges in the Senate.

    Lieberman has been playing the attack dog role, would virtually sew up Florida, reinforces McCain’s maverick image, appears to be a viable president to middle America among other qualities. He’s on board for the coming Persian conquest as well. Most importantly, McCain likes the guy. I think we can agree that he’s wants a role in the McCain administration (heaven forbid!).

  • danimal, @38

    Two doddering grandpas propping one another in the Oval Office? Can you imagine the expense of covering all the seat chairs in plastic? If McCain’t and Lieberman ran together, Obama could invite Jeremiah Wright as his running mate and still win.

  • ref: #33 Caped

    on Hardball yesterday two democratic strategists BOTH enthusiastically endorsed Hagel for Obama VP. he’s gonna need defense/military background and that’s a helluva reach across the aisle (or at least to independents sick of the last 8 years).

    i must say i was thinking the same thing.

  • “Lost his bearings” is indeed a personal attack, as in, he’s a moron.

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