Lieberman thinks ‘the tide has turned’ in Iraq

It seems a memo went out to war supporters everywhere, issuing a collective call for the “stay the course” crowd to declare victory.

Joe Lieberman is the latest to jump on the bandwagon that’s traveling in the wrong direction.

“I’m proud to say that the tide has turned in Iraq and we’re winning that war,” Lieberman said. “And if we don’t let down our troops, they’re going to bring home a victory that will protect us here at home from today’s threat — totalitarian terrorist Islamism that’s trying to take our liberty from us.”

What a very odd claim. We’re “winning” the war? Against whom? Also notice that that Lieberman subtly argues that most Americans and a majority of both chambers of Congress want to “let down our troops,” and that staying in the middle of Iraq’s civil war will “protect us here at home.” It’s as if Lieberman were randomly hitting all the right-wing talking points at once.

Of course, Lieberman might have a shred of credibility if he hadn’t been wrong about every possible aspect of this war for the last five years, including repeated claims about various tides having turned. TP runs through some of the greatest hits, but this gem from two years ago stands out: “The last two weeks…may be seen as a turning point.” That was in December 2005.

After a while, the boy who cries “mission accomplished” a few too many times, without any connection to reality, deserves to be ignored.

That said, there has been some good news in Iraq of late. U.S. casualties aren’t as high, Iraqi civilian deaths are on the decline, and there are fewer roadside bombs going off.

But before Joe Lieberman and Bill Kristol clink champagne glasses in the Heritage Foundation lobby, there are a few things they might want to keep in mind.

Phillip Carter — lawyer, blogger, and Iraq-war veteran, suggests the good news may not be quite what it appears to be.

[T]he truth behind these numbers is elusive. It’s near impossible to discern whether they reflect the success of our military operations or some larger, deeper trends in Iraqi society, such as the success of the Shiite campaign to rid Baghdad of its Sunni residents. The situation does present a paradox, however. If the surge is the reason, as the generals claim, we’re in trouble, because the surge is about to end. If Iraqi reconciliation and ethnic cleansing get primary credit, and the surge is mostly acting as a catalyst, our inevitable drawdown over the next six months to pre-surge levels may not be catastrophic, because the positive trends result more from Iraqi societal shifts and less from American soldiers brokering the peace. As commanders plan for the 2008 reduction in troops, they must try to reconcile these competing explanations and find a way to sustain the success when there are fewer—or no—American soldiers on the streets.

In a press conference Thursday, Lt. Gen. Ray Odierno expressed cautious optimism about the trends, calling them “positive” but not “irreversible.” He also took credit, saying the statistics “represen[t] the longest continuous decline in attacks on record and illustrat[e] how our operations have improved security since the surge was emplaced.” Clearly, U.S. security operations are having an effect in Baghdad and beyond. Sectarian violence and insurgent activity in Baghdad has been tamped down by the aggressive U.S. strategy of basing troops in Iraqi neighborhoods and patrolling them on foot. Where we have sufficient troops to control the ground, the violence is down. That’s no surprise.

But where we don’t have sufficient troops, as in volatile Diyala province north and east of Baghdad, violence remains high. The large northern city of Kirkuk, a powder keg of Kurdish and Iraqi Arab residents, continues to see significant insurgent activity. Over the past few months, Tal Afar and Mosul have also seen spasms of deadly violence. As a general rule, where Sunnis, Shiites, or Kurds live in close proximity and we have too few American troops on the ground, violence persists.

In fact, American forces don’t control very much in Iraq. Rather, we influence events there by our presence and activities, and we exploit opportunities where they arise. Though our commanders may take credit for the reductions in violence over the past few months, this recognition is misplaced. Our paltry force of 169,000 contributed to an improved security situation, and likely catalyzed the Iraqi security forces to restore order in parts of Baghdad, but our security measures pale in comparison to the decisions by tribal leaders in Anbar and by Muqtada Sadr’s militias to abstain from violence. Similarly, all the Maliki government’s entreaties and statements make for good press releases, but they, too, have little to do with reality in Baghdad or in Iraq’s provinces, because the corrupt and overly sectarian central government is still incapable of actually governing the nation.

And, of course, political reconciliation — you know, the point of the surge — remains all but impossible, in part because Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki doesn’t think any more work needs to be done at all. For that matter, much of the improved data is the result of a successful ethnic cleansing campaign.

We still don’t have any real strategy for the occupation aside from “let’s hope things get better”; we’re still arming both sides of a civil war; we still don’t have a long-term plan for the future of Iraq; and we still have to keep an eye on Sunnis who appear to be eyeing a return to an insurgency.

But Joe Lieberman is convinced we’re “winning.” It’s not like he’s been wrong before, right?

If the stakes weren’t so high I’d enjoy watching these clowns flail around on the very thin line between declaring Total Victory!(TM) and saying Almost There!

“And if we don’t let down our troops, they’re going to bring home a victory that will protect us here at home from today’s threat — totalitarian terrorist Islamism that’s trying to take our liberty from us.”

Do you think he added the word “terrorist” to avoid hurting Mushraff’s feelings?

  • Sorry for being OT, but the House is voting on tabling (killing) Kucinich’s resolution for impeaching Dicktator Cheney. The current vote is 170 Yea and 242 Nay (MOVING FORWARD). The 15 minute vote has been ongoing for 50 minutes. Shamefully, there are more Dimocraps are for tabling the resolution than Republicretins, but it looks hopeful. It’s about f__king time. These Dimocraps against this resolution should be tarred and feathered.

  • Just who the hell is in fact taking our liberty, not just trying to take our liberty? Who voted for the Patriot Act?

    The “terrorists” could never take our liberty “in a trial of a thousand years.” Like Honest Abe said.

    Apparently G.I. Joe Lieberman has a crack habit.

  • “I’m proud to say that the tide has turned in Iraq and we’re winning that war,” Lieberman said. “And if we don’t let down our troops, they’re going to bring home a victory that will protect us here at home from today’s threat — totalitarian terrorist Islamism that’s trying to take our liberty from us.”

    Okay, Joe, if we’re “winning that war,” then when can we bring the troops home, like you said you wanted to when you realized you had to poach some anti-war votes from Lamont last year? You wouldn’t be lying, would you? Because Joe Lieberman(tm) says Joe Lieberman(tm) doesn’t lie, and that means Joe Lieberman(tm) must not be lying, despite any and all evidence to the contrary.

    And props to whoever came up with “totalitarian terrorist Islamism” as a replacement non-replacement for “Islamofascism”; that’s beautiful.

    And speaking of “tak[ing] our liberty from us,” thanks for supporting every piece of enabling legislation you can find to prop up your BFF Boy-king.

    I guess fascism isn’t so bad, when it’s your *friends* doing it.

    Asshole.

  • “today’s threat” is hardly coming from the situation in Iraq, it comes from the MCA the Patriot Act, FISA protect America Act, our secret Cheney energy policy, this corrupt administration, a politicized judiciary and DoJ, the list continues daily.
    If it comes from Lieberman it’s wrong. Jerusalem Joe is no longer credible on anything. He’s got to go. btw***winning what? How are we safer over here after all the destruction , chaos and murder we’ve done. Trillions in debt, thousands of Americans dead, thousands wounded, what the hell are we winning? We are less safe now than ever. Lieberman…dumb as he ever was. When will he ever shut up and stop proving what a fool he actually is.

  • Oh, for the love of something, where did Joe Lieberman find a microphone?

    Here’s the thing: it would be nice if things were simple, clear-cut, black-and-white, but they’re not; I can’t imagine why anyone ever thought they would be, especially given the way the whole thing was thrown together. You would think that Dick Cheney had been McGyver in another life and decided it made sense to invade a country using the equivalent of two matches, the pop-top from a beer can, a 6-inch length of string and a bobby pin, and expect to win. When that didn’t work, the search for a plan has been hunt-and-peck, at best, and blindfolded-in-front-of-a-dartboard at worst, and opining on whether we are “winning” or “losing” requires blinders. To this day, no one really knows what will solve the problem that we set the stage for, and political-reconciliation-as-panacea is just a wild-assed guess. There seems to be no interest in it on the part of the Iraqis, as long as “political reconciliation” is defined on our terms – if defined on theirs, I suspect it translates to “get the Sunnis out and we’ll be fine.”

    Add a command structure that has grown more and more political as Bush has cast off the independent voices and packed it with yes-men, and there simply is no way this is going to end soon or end well. Not for us, not for the Iraqis and not for the region.

    There is no reason why even one more member of our military should pay a price in life or limb in service to this president. What dollars have been appropriated should be used for one thing and one thing only: an orderly re-deployment out of Iraq.

    Joe Lieberman is an idiot; thank you again, Connecticut.

  • Someone should explain to Lieberman that when tens of thousands have been killed and hundreds of thousands have been forced out of their homes, the casualty count should go down. It would be like a second bombing a year later at the World Trade Center. There are simply fewer people available to be killed.

  • We have won nothing in Iraq except more acceptance of jingoist sentiment such as the stuff proffered by Mr. Lieberman; and as we listen to the drivel coming from the likes of wartime Joe we are buying into permanent war as our future foreign policy. Good luck to us! -Kevo

  • Darth Joe will preach ad nauseum that “we’re winning the war.”

    What he doesn’t tell people is that this “war” will culminate with “VT.”

    No—not “Vermont”—but “Victory Tehran.”

    Darth Joe just can’t wait to see US forces, fighting and dying in the Glorious Revolution to Wipe Iran* off the Face of the Earth.

    *and Syria…and Jordan…and Yemen…and Saudi Arabia…and Kuwait…and Pakistan….

  • Lieberman is batshit crazy like his enablers in the GOP who helped him to get reelected and now he owes them big time. In reality Crazy Joe is in congress not to represent the state of Connecticut and its constituents but his main concern is and always has been Israel. Did anyone hear him on NPR the other week? It was really fucking disturbing.

  • I hope Lieberman is right and the corner has been turned.

    And if he is: Sunnis and Shia can now be friends and let bygones be bygones, the people will share political power and have a liberal democracy, there will be an overnight privatization of the state owned industries, investment capital will flow into the county, the oil flows and the people split the proceeds and last but not least Fox News can locate a Baghdad Bureau and start interviewing people on the streets with a victory story of the day.

    However, I get the feeling that none these things are close to happening. But this is the Bush exit plan.

    But it seems that Lieberman must have forgotten the Shrub meme on timetables –

    paraphrasing Shrub: “Can’t have a Timetable for withdrawal, the Terrorists will just wait it out and resume fightin at a later date. When you give the Terrorists a timetable, the Terrorists win.”

    Newsflash JoeMENTUM: Doesn’t the surge have a timetable built in to it? Has Shrub just emboldened the Terrorists by telling them when the Surge ends?

    Seems that every wingnut in the world that said that a timetable is a receipt for disaster is now saying that the surge (with a timetable) has saved the day.

  • Lieberman is just less able to hide his true feelings than other Democrats. The ones who rail against the injustices of the Bush administration, but quietly roll out the red carpet for Iran, or the ones who can’t take a firm stand against Mukasey because he can’t take a firm stand against torture.

    Lieberman just lets you watch him stab you. The rest of the enabling capitulators stab you in the back.

  • How can Lieberman be so consummately, diametrically WRONG
    about the war in Iraq? What did he do to become so disoriented?
    Where does he get his crummy information? Why, given his
    myopic vision of the region, would anyone listen to him when he
    blames Iran for all the weaponry in Iraq? The weapons were always there–
    foolishly left unguarded by the forces that initially invaded.

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