Lies, damn lies, and….

With the release of the GAO report on Iraq already out, and positioning in advance of next week well underway, you’re likely to hear quite a few numbers being tossed around. When it comes to the surge, keep in mind that even the encouraging news is not quite what it seems.

According to U.S. military figures, an average of 1,000 Iraqis have died each month since March in sectarian violence. That compares with about 1,200 a month at the start of the security plan, the military said in an e-mailed response to queries. This does not include deaths from car bombings, which the military said have numbered more than 2,600 this year.

Read that again. The casualty rates have gone down about 20% — but that doesn’t include car bombs, which go off with some frequency.

What’s more, Matt Yglesias notes, “It seems that when a Shiite kills a Shiite (as happens frequently in the south) that doesn’t count. Similarly, when a Sunni kills a Sunni, that doesn’t count. Nor does it count when the death was caused by a car bomb since, obviously, well, um, I couldn’t even say. The exclusion of Shiite-on-Shiite and Sunni-on-Sunni violence seems like a clever-if-underhanded exploitation of critics’ tendency to deploy the phrase “sectarian violence” even though there’s a lot of politically motivated violence that isn’t sectarian in nature. The car bomb exclusion seems entirely unprincipled.”

It seems like a rather straightforward issue — why not include one of the most common forms of attacks when compiling civilian casualties? Isn’t this a bit like a U.S. city compiling a homicide rate, but deciding that shootings don’t count?

Maybe some enterprising press corps member can ask the White House for an explanation.

Car bomb statistics are for cut-n-runners. Real men only count bullet wounds.

  • Am I missing something????

    According to U.S. military figures, an average of 1,000 Iraqis have died each month since March in sectarian violence. That compares with about 1,200 a month at the start of the security plan,

    Doesn’t that mean they are DOWN by 17% and not up by 20%?

  • “It’s just a number.” -T. Snowjob

    I can’t remember where I read it (I may have linked to an article once), but some section of the mAdmin has decided that car bombs are the sole provence of AQI.

    By attributing specific types of killings to specific groups, American inSURGEnts can run amok with the goal posts.

    Fewer non-car bomb murders = Sunni v. Shia violence is down, the soldiers must stay and support their progress until everyone has a pony!

    More or the same number of car bombings = AQI is still active, we must stay and fight them over there so they don’t hide in our duffle bags and follow us home!

  • While I don’t have the highest expectations of the Washington Establishment acknowledging truth on this stuff, I really think the Bush Admin totally blew it. By selling the surge as strongly as they did, the masters of managing expectations really hurt their ability to spin the truth into a positive light. I guess there’s only so much you can do when your golden goose continues to lay larger and larger piles of crap.

    Of course, we have to rely on famous Dems to get the truth out there, as the media is much too objective to go proactive with actual facts, so it’s not like the Bush Admin necessarily has to sweat this one, but they really didn’t help themselves too much this time.

  • The explanation is that they decided that reality needed a little tweaking.

    …Winston remembered this clearly, but it made no difference what he or any other individual remembered, for the Party said that Eurasia had always been the Enemy and what the Party said was the Truth. This, thought Winston, was the most frightening aspect of the party regime-that it could obliterate memory, turn lies into Truth and alter the Past. The Party slogan was “Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past.” This was where “doublethink” came into play, minds were trained to hold contradictory positions simultaneously and unquestioningly- for example you had to believe at one and the same time that Democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy. Winston could remember a time when the Party did not rule, when Big Brother had not become all-powerful; but according to the Party they had always existed and this lie was repeated ad infinitum until it “became” the truth. This, Winston thought was a far more terrible weapon in the hands of the Party than torture or execution…

  • By selling the surge as strongly as they did, the masters of managing expectations really hurt their ability to spin the truth into a positive light.

    We’re not talking about people who can learn … I was going to say “from their mistakes,” but I’ll leave it as is. They’re still spinning their cake-walk flowers n’ candy invasion. Prepare yourself for an onslaught of Whoppers of Massive Deception in the coming weeks.

  • Who Cares?

    Islam has become a blood culture. Lets leave them to their fate.

    Bring our troops home and re-deploy them along our nations border.

    That my friend is true Homeland Security.

  • “It seems that when a Shiite kills a Shiite (as happens frequently in the south) that doesn’t count. Similarly, when a Sunni kills a Sunni, that doesn’t count.”

    How do we know who is killing whom? Do they leave calling cards? And “dead” still means “dead,” as far as I have been able to determine. Maybe it depends on what the your definition of “dead” is.

    Perhaps Karl “The Math” Rove could have come up with a more effective spin than this, but I can’t imagine how. Some facts just aren’t spinnable.

    Or have we have reached a point when the rest of the country cares as little about facts as the White House? Perhaps General Patraeus can enlighten us about this at the coming hearings.

  • “… an average of 1,000 Iraqis have died each month since March ….”

    Death rates of all kinds go down in Iraq during the summer months in comparison with the rest of the year. It’s less pleasant to be to be outdoors doing anything – even killing or being killed – when it’s 120°. The “surge” has nothing to do with it.


  • bwilli: Who Cares?

    I sincerely hope that you do. However, it sounds like you care more about changing the subject that fixing things.


    bwilli: Islam has become a blood culture. Lets leave them to their fate.

    Most religions are bloody around the fringes. Personally, I think we can do without them altogether. Would you agree?

    As for “their fate”, don’t forget that much of their fate was insured by our mistakes.


    bwilli: Bring our troops home and re-deploy them along our nations border.

    Now be honest, when you picture “our nations border” (by your own words, conspicuously singular), you’re thinking more Southwise, right? Where all the dark skinned folks are coming from? Also, how much of your musings about “borders” involves seaports?


    bwilli: That my friend is true Homeland Security.

    Maybe you should run for President. Seems we’re in dire need of someone who understands complex issues such as HS, etc.

    Oh, I forgot… you have clearly indicated that you don’t care. My bad.

  • The numbers issue? Maybe the most effective move (and speaking of “move,” MoveOn should be helping in this issue) would be for us to bombard Congress with a demand for a full accounting? But all of this may be a waste of time. Why do I continue to pretend we have a democracy?

    As for “blood culture,” Christianity’s has been a major source of violence and blood for 2 millenia. Islamic fundamentalists are no better, but it’s pot calling kettle black…

  • The car bomb exclusion seems entirely unprincipled…”
    Maybe some enterprising press corps member can ask the White House for an explanation.

    We don’t need to ask the White House; Laura Bush already supplied the principle: car bombs are discouraging. The bad guys can easily discourage us by exploding more car bombs. The only way they can think of to counter this tactic: stop counting the car bombs.

  • Of course they don’t count things that will make them look bad.

    “It’s not the person who votes that has the power. It’s the one who counts the votes.”

    Any time you are dealing with Republicans, keep this in mind. Both of you need to count.

    Short version: Republicans lie.

  • Nor does it count when the death was caused by a car bomb since, obviously, well, um, I couldn’t even say. — Yglesias

    Car bombs account for too many dead (not to mention maimed) to be counted.

  • A couple of quick questions for Mr. Know-It-All:

    Where is Osama Bin Ladin?

    He’s not in Iraq.

    What did Iraq have to do with 9/11?

    Nothing.

    Just how did invading Iraq make us safer from Al Qaeda?

    It didn’t, we are less safe.

    So why are we still in Iraq?

    The Bush argument seems to be that we made a big f&*king mess, but we will make an even bigger f&*king mess if we leave.

    Is that sane?

    Are you kidding? We left sane shortly after the answer to the first question…

  • I can see where they were going with that plan, and I can see where they learned it, too. After all, when American soldiers kill another American soldier, that doesn’t count, either. Lead by example, as they say.

  • bwilli: Who Cares?

    Obviously no one. Or other countries would offer their help to the Iraqi people. But then again they didn’t care when Yankees & Rebels were killing each other during our civil war. They left us to our fate. (And I thank them; we had to work it out for ourselves)

    bwilli: Islam has become a blood culture. Let’s leave them to their fate.

    Oh so true, Oh so true, when the blood of infidels (non believers) on your hands means instant admittance to heaven; that’s far cry from requiring blood of Jesus.

    Iraq was bound to go through this civil war regardless of who toppled Saddam; Clinton, Bush or his son’s Uday and Qusay. Look at their hatred, it was inevitable.

    (BTW – you do know Clinton was the first to bomb Iraq and provide funds for sole purpose of “regime change” don’t you? Operation Desert Fox, HR 4655 – read his 1998 State of the Union address. It was right before he bombed Serbia and Kosovo, you know when he stuffing his UNW down Monica – if you did not know who said it – you would swear it was GWB)

    That Is Pretty Sad – are you going to vote for his wife?

    bwilli: Bring our troops home and re-deploy them along our nation’s border.

    Sounds like a great plan, heck we pay and fund them anyway. What border you ask? Which ever one has millions of non-registered aliens entering our country illegally, regardless of skin color.

    There are solutions to this issue that the current chicken sh*t political parties do not have the spine to resolve. And they do not require mass deportation or amnesty and instant citizenship.

    bwilli: That my friend is true Homeland Security.

    Sounds like it to me. Our borders do define our homeland. Securing our borders is the main goal of homeland security.

    I would love to be president – but I am not a Bush or a Clinton, AKA the royal families, or do I belong to their Coke and Pepsi two familiy parties. My first act would be to ……

  • Okay, I’m going to assume that you are responding to my earlier post (#10) and do not intend to give the impression that you are responding to yourself.


    bwilli: Who Cares?

    Obviously no one. Or other countries would offer their help to the Iraqi people. But then again they didn’t care when Yankees & Rebels were killing each other during our civil war. They left us to our fate. (And I thank them; we had to work it out for ourselves)

    I think other countries are probably still in shock at how badly we’ve screwed the place up. That you seem to think pointing out the fact that other nations haven’t come to the rescue and cleaned up our mess somehow reinforces your argument seems childlike.


    bwilli: Islam has become a blood culture. Let’s leave them to their fate.

    Oh so true, Oh so true, when the blood of infidels (non believers) on your hands means instant admittance to heaven; that’s far cry from requiring blood of Jesus.

    I wasn’t comparing what you perceive to be the tenets of Islam with what you believe to be the tenets of Christianity. Rather, I was comparing the actual blood on the hands of Christianity (from the Crusades, to the Inquisition to the modern day bombings of abortion clinics, not to mention their involvement in installing bloodthirsty warmongers in our nation’s highest offices) with the actual blood on the hands of Islam.


    Iraq was bound to go through this civil war regardless of who toppled Saddam; Clinton, Bush or his son’s Uday and Qusay. Look at their hatred, it was inevitable.

    Do you support officials who, at worst, lied about this inevitability outright or, at best, forgot about it (i.e: Cheney)?

    (BTW – you do know Clinton was the first to bomb Iraq and provide funds for sole purpose of “regime change” don’t you? Operation Desert Fox, HR 4655 – read his 1998 State of the Union address. It was right before he bombed Serbia and Kosovo, you know when he stuffing his UNW down Monica – if you did not know who said it – you would swear it was GWB)

    Okay, maybe you’re not responding to my post (#10). I didn’t say a word about Clinton and I doubt seriously that you’re so obsessed with Clinton and so at a loss to find a rational argument for your political beliefs, that you would bring up Clinton when he hasn’t even been mentioned in this thread.


    That Is Pretty Sad – are you going to vote for his wife?

    Again, this is way off topic but no… not in the primaries. I will vote for her if the alternative is another criminal who will take this nation (and the rest of the planet) further down the path to destruction (pretty much all the Republican party has to offer at this point).


    bwilli: Bring our troops home and re-deploy them along our nation’s border.

    Sounds like a great plan, heck we pay and fund them anyway. What border you ask? Which ever one has millions of non-registered aliens entering our country illegally, regardless of skin color.

    I asked you to be honest. You’re more concerned with the border to your south and you know it. BTW, remember what I said about you running for president? Perhaps your running mate should be… you. You seem to be in total agreement with you.


    There are solutions to this issue that the current chicken sh*t political parties do not have the spine to resolve. And they do not require mass deportation or amnesty and instant citizenship.

    Dude, let’s take one issue at a time. Mexicans are not our biggest concern. It’s way down the list, just behind putting right-wingers on a rocket ship and sending them deep into outer space. Immigration was not a major issue until the right realized that nothing else was going its way and that it needed to change the subject. All of a sudden, we’ve just got to do something about immigration. You’re all a bunch of sociopaths who need to attack someone.


    bwilli: That my friend is true Homeland Security.

    Sounds like it to me. Our borders do define our homeland. Securing our borders is the main goal of homeland security.

    No, the main goal of homeland security is protecting our homeland and has, since time immemorial, meant protecting us from threats abroad. Neither Canada no Mexico have ever been threats in our, our parents’, or our grandparents’ lifetime.


    I would love to be president –

    Precisely why you shouldn’t be.

    but I am not a Bush or a Clinton, AKA the royal families, or do I belong to their Coke and Pepsi two familiy parties. My first act would be to ……

    … that is one of the the scariest ellipses I’ve ever seen.

  • Comments are closed.