Like two peas in a conservative pod

May 3, 2008

Just yesterday, Reuters reported, “Slowly but surely, Republican presidential candidate John McCain is putting some distance between himself and unpopular President George W. Bush.”

Don’t believe it. (via TP)

A senior adviser to John McCain says the Republican presidential candidate’s campaign is now talking with senior White House staff every day.

President Bush and McCain, former GOP rivals, “have an excellent relationship,” Charlie Black said at a lunch hosted by the Christian Science Monitor.

Black said McCain is “not a protege” of President Bush and would not be an extension of Bush’s presidency as Democrats have claimed. He cited McCain’s differences with Bush on federal spending and the initial war strategy, but was clear that Bush’s White House team is helping the presumptive Republican nominee at every turn of the campaign.

Black said the White House got a “head’s up” earlier this week before McCain called out Bush for his poor handling of hurricane Katrina in 2005.

McCain has Bush’s staff, Bush’s platform, Bush’s foreign policy vision, and Bush’s economic agenda. And now McCain’s and Bush’s team coordinate on a daily basis.

And yet, there’s Karl Rove arguing on national television, “[I]f you try and say John McCain is George Bush, that simply lacks credibility with a wide number of Americans.”

McCain is Bush, only older and with slightly better grammar.

“[I]f you try and say John McCain is George Bush, that simply lacks credibility with a wide number of Americans.”

Well, kkkarl is right on this one – he’s referring to much of shillary’s base – the folks that know SHE represents the same interests.

  • Yet it is Barack Obama who admires Reagan and the deregulation that resulted from his
    economic policies and led to business running rampant over citizens of this country.

  • Amazing how the Clinton supporters regularly distort what Obama has said both with regards to Reagan and deregulation–once again showing that they are just like the Republicans.

  • Impartial: The pendulum swings both ways. In the seventies federal agencies regulated prices for many public services, including the trucking industry, airlines and the telphone companies. It had become, in essence, legalized collusion, as lobbyists for these industries pushed agencies to raise prices, thus holding the industries “guiltless”. It was actually Carter who deregulated the trucking and airline industries and prices fell tremendously as competition determined prices. With the telephone industry, it was the breakup of ATT in ’84 that effectively had the same results, so you can argue that this was a Reagan policy, but it also had the same result.

    The problem now, however, is not simply pricing deregulation, but easing of rules for accountants, monopolies, banks, etc. I would not call these Reagan policies, though I’m open to change if you can offer examples.

  • Sorry, that was a bit sloppy. I should have added that it’s true that Reagan often gets credit/blame for deregulation. So for Obama to say he agrees with Reagan Deregulation is a somewhat sly way of saying he agrees with the Carter policies, which Reaganites so love to take credit for.

  • If you want a Democrat in the White House next January, here is what you do…whenever any Democrat, anywhere, refers to McCain, it should always be “Bush-McCain”, everytime. “Bush-McCain is saying..”, “The Bush-McCain policies….”. Rinse. Repeat. Tie the most unpopular President in modern American history to his leg like an anchor chain…..

  • You guys #1,2,3…are shameless. Just can’t miss an opportunity to drag the dem candidate you oppose ( You demonstrate you don’t support your candidate as much as you oppose the “other”, and provoking a response to then say see how poorly “they” respond) through the mud which only detracts from the point of seeing how much McCain and Bush are McSame. You don’t help your candidate or the discussion with your pettiness and you take the focus away from McCain making people focus on the “barking dogs” rather than on the intruder. It seems everything becomes just another way to insult the candidate you oppose and it really gets old. It’s not funny, cute, or even intelligent. It’s quite pointless other than just being irritating. Really, get a grip on the rock throwing. We’ve all had enough of it.

  • Karl Rove: “[I]f you try and say John McCain is George Bush, that simply lacks credibility with a wide number of Americans.”

    As if Karl Rove — after Plame-gate and his role in the Siegelman prosecution — should ever speak about credibility.

  • Especially when he has ties to the McCain campaign. It’s amazing what the mainstream media lets him say without ever even establishing that link, never mind qualifying what he says with the meaning of that context.

  • John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign is nothing if not ironic. The supposed maverick has repeatedly reversed positions and compromised core principles to help pave his road to the White House. The Arizona Senator, whose family assets include 8 homes and a stash purportedly worth over $100 million, refuses to disclose his wife’s tax returns, all while calling Barack Obama an “elitist.” And now, John McCain is planning a fall campaign based on distancing himself from George W. Bush, a strategy closely coordinated with the Bush White House itself.

    For the details, see:
    “McCain, Bush Staffs Coordinate on W Separation Strategy.”

  • joey,

    I’m not impressed with your blind partisanship. This is not about support for any candidate. It is about opposing continuation of the policies of the Bush administration. On social issues (other than abortion) and on issues of government power and accountability Clinton is to the right of McCain. It makes no sense to bash McCain for being like Bush and pretend that Clinton is not as bad just because she has a D instead of an R behind her name. Democrats who act as apologists for Hillary Clinton are no different than the apologist who support George Bush.

  • If McCain were to win the election and take office in Jan. of 2009, we will continue to see this kind of travesty…which of course, only serves to create more enemies and terrorists (now called “criminals” evidently..see mention of same numerous times in article). This terminology is no mistake either. Something new is up.

    “They (the Americans) will say it was a weapons cache (they hit),” said the head of Baghdad’s health department, Dr Ali Bistan. “But, in fact they want to destroy the infrastructure of the country.”

    He charged that the attack was aimed at preventing doctors and medicines reaching the hospital which is located inside an area of increased clashes between American troops and militiamen.”

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080503/wl_mideast_afp/iraqunrestussadrcity

  • mclame=clinton

    NO bush-clinton-bush-clinton dynasty!

    America was not founded to be a monarchy for 2 elite families.

  • RonChusid, well said.

    joey, whadda maroooooooooooon

    dem or repug labels don’t matter when we are talking about candidates that have enabled chimpy’s policy at each and every turn.

    If we can document that in terms of ACTION (and votes) a candidate candidate has consistently voted FOR virtually EVERYTHING the chimp stands for, then they are FAIR GAME.

    Fact: shillary will never earn the support of many because she is just more of the same.

  • Ron (#2) said: The problem is that not only is McCain much like Bush, but so is Clinton.

    You can see it perfectly in the way she manages her campaign staff, rewarding loyalty over competency. George W. Bush with a different tailor and different plumbing. Sexual equality in America – as it applies to bad candidates and officeholders – has been achieved.

  • (Not so) “Impartial” at number 4 once again got it wrong, like most Hillarybots. Obama did not say he admired Reagan’s policies. He said that at the time the Republican were “the party of ideas.” As someone who was there at the time and politically engaged enough to be aware of such things, that was true. The Republicans were full of bad ideas and the Democrats had no ideas, like it or not, and that was what Obama said.

    Why am I worrying about this? Morons like you prove that it’s true that Hillary does indeed have the non-educated political illiterates for her base.

    Personally, I am getting tired of the intelligent people in this country having to take a back seat to the droolers, with the result that we get presidents like we’ve had the past 28 years.

    There is much to be said about Burke’s commentary regarding the ultimate destination of purely democratic republics.

  • “McCain is Bush, only older and with slightly better grammar.”

    But they share that pesky dementia problem.

  • Hey Joey, if you think Mrs. Billy-J will give up any of the powers Big Dick usurped for Little Georgie over the past 7 years, you’re even dumber than I’ve been giving you credit for, and with the credit I’ve been giving you, you ought to be able to purchase a nice house in Pacific Palisades here in Lost Angles.

    And if you’ll just stop bobbing and weaving for 2 seconds, I’ll put the next rock right over the plate between your eyes and you won’t feel a thing to be upset about anymore. I promise.

  • McCain has a better grip on syntax than Bush, but seems more confused and befuddled by foreign matters, his alleged strong suit (and Bush’s weak point). See, they aren’t alike at all!

  • Big difference between mclame and dur chimpfurher – mclame has much looser bowels and is incontinent.

    Chimpy has quite tight bowels which is why homosexual prostitute jeff gannon/guckert was given fake press credentials and allowed to come and go from the White House on overnights on a regular basis.

    And chimpy’s bowels are so tight that his excrement is a tightly garded state secret and when he travels overseas all of his body functions are HIGHLY CLASSIFIED SECRETS and his urine and feces are highly guarded and treated like other regimes would watch their crown jewels – of course, with chimpy – this is just sh*t.

  • And then there’s this:

    Twice this week now, Hillary Clinton has stood there smiling like the Cheshire Cat as the governor of North Carolina used the word “pansy” and then as a union leader in the same state, who more famously referred to her “testicular fortitude”, went on to inveigh that Hillary was the only thing that stood between the good and God-fearing people of North Carolina and the “Gucci-wearing, latte-drinking, self-centred, egotistical people that have damaged our lifestyle.” Clinton, according to the report linked to here, “smiled sheepishly before breaking into a nervous laugh.”

    Since when does a multi-millionaire get away with saying this kind of stuff? Does she really think that the average person is a multi-millionaire and she’s just one of us? Please! I wish I had your money, toots.

    Testicular fortitude, indeed. It takes some balls to try to get that BS to fly.

    But hey, it’s not only Republicans that suck!

    Read about the Thought Crime Bill which is currently before Congress (and be sure to watch the video!!). Talk about our country taking a wrong turn! When you can be thrown in jail for thinking, blogging, protesting, etc, well, repeat after me…We. Are. Screwed!

  • Cleaver…thanks for making my point. Do you eat with that mouth as well. You run around insulting everyone you disagree with. Your king of the hill mentality trying so desperately to impress and get attention and now threatening as well. You become everything you say you can’t stand. We should all be afraid. None of this has anything to do with the topics at hand only your anger, hate and rage. Glad the net is here so you have somewhere to threaten , vent and insult. Like I said, pointless, irritating, and tiresome. Try posting sometime without insulting just to see if you still can.

    “…And if you’ll just stop bobbing and weaving for 2 seconds, I’ll put the next rock right over the plate between your eyes and you won’t feel a thing to be upset about anymore. I promise.” See what I mean. And you started it off with “…if you think” and proceeded to infer your message as if any of this has a thing to do with someone named Joey.

  • joey – you started your presence in the thread by calling other shameless.

    And you think you have any credibility talking about other’s insults – you have the same integrity as the political hack you come here to troll over – shillary.

    Thanks for proving my points.

  • little bear, I wanted to say thanks for some extremely thoughtful posts. Yours have been really, really good lately.

    I gave you a bunch of shit before so I thought I would give you your due, too.

  • So much for Rove spending “time with his family”. What a fat hypocrite. More time on speaking circuit foisting his anti-logical fallacies, more likely.

    Karl…you are irrelevant. Here’s a nice cup of STFU for ya, now go home your wife’s calling ya!

  • Obama is CORRUPT, a LIAR, and his slogan of change an ILLUSION.

    1) CORRUPT: A houseowner wants to sell both a house and adjoining land. Obama can afford to buy only the house. No problem, the criminal Rezko to the rescue. Rezko pays full price for the land, whereas Obama gets a discount of $300,000 on the house. Nice to have criminal friends like this!!! (ref ABC News)

    2) LIAR: Obama claims he did not know about Wright’s America-hating (God damn America) and racist views till it was revealed in the mainstream media in March 2008. Obama attended Wright’s church for 20 years, was married by Wright, had his children baptized by Wright, donated over $20,000 to Wright’s church and named his book “Audacity of Hope” after one of Wright’s sermons. You really believe after 20 years and all this he did not know?

    3) ILLUSION: Exelon Corporation had not disclosed radioactive leaks at one of its nuclear plants in Illinois. Obama, a senator for Illinois introduces a bill to make disclosures mandatory. Seems like Exelon doesn’t like it. Each draft of the new bill by Obama goes more and more towards Exelon till disclosures end up being “voluntary”. What gives? How about $250,000+ donations by Exelon!!! Obama is not change, he is WASHINGTON BUSINESS AS USUAL. (ref NYT)

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