Listening to the generals

The president delivered a speech yesterday at the Naval War College, rehashing most of what you’d expect him to say about the war in Iraq. (Surprise, he’s optimistic and sees a lot of “progress.”)

When he opened the floor to questions, however, the audience seemed a little skeptical.

Q: Mr. President, I just returned from a week at the United States Army War College in Pennsylvania on national security. I walked away with so much more pride in our military. I would follow them anywhere. My question is: At the beginning of your speech — that you said that you consult with the military. With all due respect, sir, how much do you really listen and follow them?

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, a lot. I don’t see how you can be the Commander-in-Chief of a well motivated military without listening carefully to the advice of your commanders.

Really? In order to be effective, he has to listen to the advice of his commanders?

Does Bush remember this from January?

When President Bush goes before the American people tonight to outline his new strategy for Iraq, he will be doing something he has avoided since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003: ordering his top military brass to take action they initially resisted and advised against. […]

It may also be a sign of increasing assertiveness from a commander in chief described by former aides as relatively passive about questioning the advice of his military advisers. In going for more troops, Bush is picking an option that seems to have little favor beyond the White House and a handful of hawks on Capitol Hill and in think tanks who have been promoting the idea almost since the time of the invasion.

If Bush wants to reject the advice of top military leaders, that’s his prerogative; he is regrettably the Commander in Chief. But to go around bragging about listening to military leaders when he did the exact opposite is ridiculous.

Indeed, were he really “listening carefully to the advice” of commanders, Bush would have heard some useful advice.

We sat down with military commanders there and here, and none of them said that additional troops would solve the fundamental cause of violence, which was the absence of national reconciliation. We always asked if additional troops were needed. We asked the question of [Gen. George] Casey and others, we asked it of Marine commanders in Anbar. Do you need additional troops? They all said the same thing: we don’t need additional troops at this point; we need to get the Iraqis to assume the responsibility they’re supposed to assume.

In November, after the election, CentCom commander Gen. John Abizaid rejected the notion of a so-called surge, saying that he “met with every divisional commander, Gen. Casey, the core commander, Gen. Dempsey” and asked them if bringing “in more American troops now, [would] add considerably to our ability to achieve success in Iraq and they all said, ‘No.'”

Indeed, Bush fired Casey, in large part because he neglected to tell the president what he wanted to hear.

With this in mind, Bush really needs to drop this I-listened-to-our-military schtick.

Update: One more thing. Peter Baker noted, “[E]ven in this military setting, the audience responded politely and without much enthusiasm.” Bush used to count on these speeches to show how receptive military audiences are to his message. Not anymore.

in the broad sense, bush has finally paid a price for being delusional: no one gives a good god damn what the shallow little feller in the oval office has to say anymore.

but in the specific sense, there is nothing to keep bush from saying things that are completely untrue if not, in fact, the opposite of the truth, because who’s going to make him pay that price? david broder?

  • It goes back to ignoring General Shinseki. Had these guys bothered to listen to to the generals way back then we might not be in this absolute mess.

  • And yet, we hear nothing of these mounting contradictions between what he says and what reality is from anywhere outside of blogs. There’s certainly a lot of them.

    I would imagine that quite a smashing story could be written about these contradictions as they have built over time, one that would be well-received and ruminated by the populace, if there were but one or two courageous establishment writers and editors who could bother to point these things out. Or, similarly, if someone would ask him about it during a presser and, when the non-sequiturs start flying, the next reporter asked it again. And again.

  • To the military, “I listen to my generals.”

    To 50 high school scholars, “The United States does not torture.”

    I’m surprised his nose hasn’t grown six feet in the last week. Someone must be sanding it down nightly.

  • General Petraeus was quoted on NPR yesterday as saying while it would still take a while for the military to declare its mission a victoy in Iraq (the inexorable March of the Friedmans), he had the balls to admit that the real solution to the mess in Iraq is political in nature and one not to be won militarily. I doubt Bush or Cheney or whomever is in charge of this silly war policy is listening to the generals on that concept since there is no outward appearance of anything happening in Iraq not forced at the barrel of an AR-15 or AK47.

  • national reconciliation

    See, that’s what’s meant by a “political victory” as opposed to a “military victory”- it’s not the kind of objective you can obtain by blowing people up and throwing them in prisons.

  • See, that’s what’s meant by a “political victory” as opposed to a “military victory”- it’s not the kind of objective you can obtain by blowing people up and throwing them in prisons.

    If you study military operations as your profession, it’s bound to confront you sometime that sometimes real world problems are of this type. For the legions of hobby-military thinkers out there, though- the Republicans who are not employed by the nation’s military, never were, and (of course) never studied at West Point- I guess it can be hard to understand why every problem in the world can’t be solved by some action-movie solution.

  • “[E]ven in this military setting, the audience responded politely and without much enthusiasm.”

    I wonder how many soldiers report for sick call the day that their unit is tasked with being a Bush backdrop.

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