Lying about ‘life and death’

Just to focus the last item a little more, when it comes to FISA expansion, the president and his supporters are pulling all the stops. Here, for example, was Bush in the Rose Garden this morning:

“This Saturday at midnight, legislation authorizing intelligence professionals to quickly and effectively monitor terrorist communications will expire. If Congress does not act by that time, our ability to find out who the terrorists are talking to, what they are saying, and what they are planning will be compromised.”

He added that the “lives of countless Americans” are at stake, and that “there will be a gap” in our intelligence gathering.

It’s a common sentiment today.

* House Deputy Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.): “Our intelligence agencies need the tools necessary to listen in on terrorists who threaten and plot to do harm to our country. The Senate worked together in a bipartisan fashion earlier this week to accomplish this goal, but the House Democrat Leadership refuses to do the same. It [sic] Al-Qaeda is talking, we should be able to listen.”

* House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio): “We have space on the calendar today for a politically charged fishing expedition, but no space for a bill that would protect the American people from terrorists who want to kill us.”

* National Review’s Andy McCarthy: “Well it looks like the unconscionable is about to occur. I am hearing from several sources that the House is planning to recess on Friday without taking up the Senate bill. That would mean the lapse of our surveillance authority at midnight…. President Bush has to keep pounding this, as does Sen. McCain. This is not politics, folks. For grown-ups, this is life and death.”

If any of these guys had their facts straight, their shameless demagoguery might even be compelling. If the poorly named “Protect America Act” was really vitally necessary to protect the country from a terrorist attack — if life and death were literally in the balance — Bush and the Republican would be right, and any delay would be outrageous.

But therein lies the rub: all of these people are lying. Badly.

This really isn’t a matter of opinion. The Republicans’ claims are just patently false. Presumably, these lawmakers and the president understand the basics of this debate, which makes their demonstrably wrong claims simple lies. That may sound impolite, but if there’s a more charitable explanation, I can’t think of it.

First, surveillance will go on unhindered, whether the House passes Bush’s bill or not.

The lapsing of the deadline would have little practical effect on intelligence gathering. Intelligence officials would be able to intercept communications from Qaeda members or other identified terrorist groups for a year after the initial eavesdropping authorization for that particular group.

If a new terrorist group is identified after Saturday, intelligence officials would not be able to use the broadened eavesdropping authority. They would be able to seek a warrant under the more restrictive standards in place for three decades through the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

Second, if the powers extended through the PPA were genuinely a matter of “life and death,” which “grown-ups” should appreciate, Republicans could get exactly the surveillance powers they want today if they dropped telecom immunity.

Look, if it’s that important, there’s a simple answer: pass the bill without telecom immunity. Then come back and introduce immunity in a separate bill. If you’ve got the votes for it, fine. If not, too bad. I’m against immunity myself — though hardly hellbent on the subject — but whichever way the vote went, in the meantime we’d have the FISA extension and surveillance could continue normally.

But that’s not on the table. The supposed grownups in the GOP are, apparently, perfectly happy to play around with “life and death” if it’s in the service of a bit of demagogic brinksmanship over telecom immunity.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. The PPA powers are absolutely critical, they say, but Bush will veto unless an unrelated effort to adjudicate from the Hill is included. The powers are a matter of life and death, they say, but Bush will veto an extension of the status quo. The powers will literally save lives from al Qaeda terrorism, they say, but Bush will veto the whole thing unless every provision meets his standards.

This is a bad joke, and a clumsy con job. Republicans pulled a little stunt today, with their walk-out temper-tantrum, but it doesn’t change the fact that when it comes to debating this issue on the merits, their entire argument is based on lies, misdirection, and a willingness to undermine the system of checks and balances.

What are the Democrats doing to counter all these lies and get their message out?

  • They have to scare America into protecting the fools who broke the law for them. If they don’t other companies won’t be willing to break the law for them.

    And what happens if Diabold doesn’t fix the next election?

  • That is the problem – why can’t Democrats just explain this? They never counter all the propaganda even remotely effectively!

  • I hope the Democraps are smart enough to preface every response to this flimflam with a reminder of how adamant these same Republicons were when they told us about Saddam’s WMDs. The American people need to be reminded that the Republicons started running a credibility deficit a LONG time ago.

  • #3 Lance has it right. Our so-called representatives in the Senate have a large bill to pay, and they are trying to pay it by destroying our way of life. They are so weak in the knees that they can’t stand up when 75% of the American public is behind them. They must owe a big bill.

  • Who’s going to protect us from Bush and the rest of the PNAC when they decide to deliver us another “New Pearl Harbor”???? Maybe we should wiretap Bush’s phone. That would be the BEST WAY to protect us from another 9-11.

  • You are making me paranoid. You list the liars voices and what they are saying but are there no headlines stating the truth? Isn’t there a number of “public” voices loudly proclaiming “just who do you think you’re fooling?” Are there any headlines stating the truth? Public appearances or interviews stating the facts and showing how these people are just downright lying? Please tell me propaganda doesn’t control all the MSM…that except for the blogs it is all not just more Fox Noise…please.

  • 4.
    On February 14th, 2008 at 4:13 pm, Emily said:
    That is the problem – why can’t Democrats just explain this? They never counter all the propaganda even remotely effectively!

    I’m not sure how much of this is the Dems not communicating effectively, and how much of it is the Dems being denied a forum.

    Personally, I’d like to see the Dems invest in a high-grade web cam and start a daily briefing of their own, a way to counteract the Republican Talking Points. Every day at 6pm, a new 2 minute or so webcast, announced by a Dem Senator or Rep. (personally I’m thinking a daily trade off between Feingold and Webb), breaks down the Republican lies du jour. Then post it on youtube. Send emails to all current Dem contributors, let them know to look for the webcast, and just as important, to only trust the webcast if it comes from a very specific handler (to cut down the impact of people tampering with the audio and reposting it).

    Sure people will mess with it, Rush & Hannity and all the bully boys will mock it and use sound bites for lame jokes. And not everyone will know about it at first. But word gets out. Sooner or later, Olbermann starts including it as part of his own newscast. Non-profit Dem fundraising groups buy ad time to broadcast it in whole between Stewart & Colbert. And eventually even the hackiest of MSM outlets have to give it some weight. The word will be out and unfiltered.

    Problem with this is, since Dems are so rarely united, it can’t be an occasion to prop up any special interest. It;s just to say “This is the bullshit Bush/the GOP is spewing today; HERE’S why it’s bullshit.”

  • ***Gracious comment #6*** They are not weak nor are they catering. This is who and what they are. They believe Bush’s way is the right way. They are leading the parade of corporate immunity and the domination of executive power over legislative power. They are dems in name only just to gather insider info and to ensure Bush’s demands are met. They are not cowards…they are traitors to their party.

  • “…their entire argument is based on lies, misdirection, and a willingness to undermine a system of checks and balances.”

    This pretty much sums up the platform upon which the entire GOP today is based. On any and every issue, no? It’s not just limited to the FISA bill…

  • FDR said, “We have nothing to fear but fear itself.” The Bushies’ motto appears to be: “We’re afraid of everything! That’s why we have to spy on you, torture prisoners and have special no-rules trials for people we think might hurt us. WE HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER BUT FEAR ITSELF.”

    Rumsfeld has only one big ball
    Cheney has two but they are small
    Rove’s fries are really ant size
    And Bushie has no balls at all.

  • I think this song has been played way too long, the general population understands the difference between what Bush says and the truth.

    They also realize that D’s aren’t supporting the terrorists.

    But the real question is do the D members of Congress understand this. I doubt it. I suspect they will cave before sunset.

  • I wonder if Jean Schmidt will accuse John Boener Or Ohio of cutting and running for leading the exit!

  • I am totally all in for the suggestion slappy magoo (#10) put forth.

    I have been wondering why they haven’t done this sort of thing for the last 6 years. Why do I as a Precinct Committee Officer not receive such an email (at least a friggin’ email) every damn day? Let me indicate the topic areas I am interested in and the Senate dems (I suppose I could elect to hear about the House reps too) should send me notification of sheenanigans the rethugs are up. At least send me talking points; jeez, this would be a totally simple and remarkably cheap (hell it is practically free) way to counter anything the Fox propaganda station was putting out.

    It is so obvious….

  • This is “conservative” America in the 21st century. Lie with self-righteous conviction, in public, against facts anyone can check, then accuse the other party of playing politics. Refuse to get along with anyone who doesn’t agree with you 100 percent, and cry like a baby when you don’t get your way. Cower to fear and brag how courageous you are, claiming all the while, God is on your side. I feel for these people’s mothers — or were they raised like this?

  • As far as “getting a response out,” at this point a majority in the U.S. knows how to tell if the Bush administration is lying.

    They are lying If their lips are moving.

  • Doesn’t yet another Republican screaming “we’re all going to die!” just sound so cheap and hollow anymore? These guys have cried wolf so often is anyone paying them any mind? Does anyone care that the national terror threat level is yellow (orange if you’re on an airplane)? All the terror-mongering and demagoguery have gone on so long with the Bushies that numbness is setting in. Terrorism? So what.

  • the more “charitable” explanation is that they aren’t lying, they are simply too stupid to understand.

    i prefer that explanation.

  • The tragic part of all this is that, in all likelihood, we will be attacked again — particularly if we keep playing into the hands of those who would do us harm. On that day, the rabid right will say, “see, we told you so,” and a traumatized public will go along.

    That’s why it’s so frustrating to me that the right is able to continue making the same, false arguments and presenting the same, false choices without being immediately torn apart by corporate media and our elected officials. Without a coherent alternative frame, we’ll fall right back into this one — and deeper — next time.

  • Heh, give me liberty or give me death.

    I’d rather have the fourth amendment and have to worry about a terrorist attack (which i’m not really worried about anyhow), than give up the fourth amendment and still worry about a terrorist attack.

    This is all such a pitiful joke on the gullibility of the American people. If terrorists really wanted to terrorize us, they could do it easily…and they would be doing it. They’d be blowing themselves up on buses in American cities. They’d be playing cat and mouse sniper games.

    We are under no threat from foreign terrorists. The only terrorists we’re under threat from are the ones who claim to be protecting us.

    BTW, i love the webcam/daily youtube idea.

  • I’ve started to wonder if some congressional democrats think the public is stupid.

    Not in the insulting way, but that they won’t understand or support them if they do stand up.

    Though they’re wrong that there’s lots of people supporting them, stuck in the beltway, and seeing some of the frothing idiocy out there . . .

  • This is the Bush administration’s worst nightmare; it’s “perfect storm” in which it loses any control whatsoever in the House. With the GOPers outside on the steps, the majority of those remaining inside have “a most excellent opportunity” to force Pelosi’s hand—either to do the job she’s been handed the gavel for, or to step down. It’s also the cleanest chance Dems will ever get to ram home bill after bill—without GOPer obstructionist tactics. The House could effectively tie up the Senate with enough legislation to keep them in knots for the remainder of Bush’s term. They’re free to pass funding bills that effectively “defund” Bush program after Bush program. They could defund the Iraq war itself right now—because Bones and his closet-skeletons wouldn’t be able to tie things up. Remember—the chamber does not include “the back steps….”

  • dalloway (13) says: The Bushies’ motto appears to be: “We’re afraid of everything! That’s why we have to spy on you, torture prisoners and have special no-rules trials for people we think might hurt us.

    I believe this pretty much explains conservatives in general. If you look deeply enough at any and every conservative position you’ll find that fear drives it.

  • Money says that if a new global corporate spying allowance law (the cynically named Protect America Act) is not passed to Bush’s liking, and the old law expires, that Bush will orchestrate another contrived terrorist attack (like 9/11, Hitler’s burning of the Reichstag, or the attack on the USS Maddox in the Tonkin Gulf) and blame it on the Demos in the House.

    But one still wonders why this faux Emperor, Bush, is so persistent on the singular point of enshrining a law of the United States to allow corporations to spy on its citizens?

    For once corporations under any supposed constraints are allowed to spy on any citizens, for any supposedly noble purpose, and for any supposedly limited period —- particularly and ironically in a war on terrorism which the faux Emperor has already defined as unlimited in scope and timeframe —- then the global corporatist Empire will never give up that law and power over democratic citizens. And those citizens will never truly be democratic again.

  • people still seem to downplaying the primary reason Bush et al want the immunity. It’s not just to protect the telcoms, it is to stop the lawsuits so uncontroverted evidence of Bush Administration law breaking can be covered up.

    We must let the lawsuits go forward to preserve the only remaining avenue to expose the lawlessness of this administration and hopefully bring some accountability to these criminals.

    Second, GWB says “unless we give the telcoms immunity they won’t cooperate with us in the future.” Two responses — he would have us believe that if served with a lawful warrent for information or wiretapping the telcoms would refuse to comply! Total BS. Also, if that were in fact true, the telcoms would be showing their unpatriotric colors and wouldn’t deserve immunity. What a pile of bunk.

    Ron Feinman
    Lynchburg, VA

  • One brief inquiry: If Bu$h wants the telecoms absolved of guilt, why not simply pardon them? After all, if they broke the law in the name of “Bu$h Almighty….”

  • This sort of hate mongering is getting old for me. Look, I am a registered Republican but I cannot stand a lie no matter who the perp is and this time it is both the President and these rabble-rousers pretending this life or death situation regarding the expiration of NOT the FISA bill but only the one allowing no
    warrant or court notification. Actually the underlying FISA act is still in tact and
    all of these liars know perfectly well that is a fact. If they do not, they are far
    too dumb to be the President or even a House Member. Shame on these
    liars. What on earth can they mean by this sort of behavior that shows to all
    the world that our party is made up of nothing but liars as Republican House members and the President. God help our country with this sort of self-delusional folks.

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