Mandate, schmandate

TNR’s Michael Crowley noted today that Republicans are already trying to preemptively spin Democratic election victories, insisting that the Dems’ success will come without a mandate. From the far-right Washington Times:

“If the Democrats win, it will have all the elements of a Forrest Gump victory. In other words, things swirling around them over which they were barely aware,” independent pollster John Zogby said, referring to the slow-thinking movie character who always succeeded, but without any grand design in mind.

“There will not be a proactive agenda that wins this for them. I don’t know if the electorate sees the Democrats as having an alternative to the Bush plan. They’ve put it out, but the party’s leadership hasn’t led with it.”

Three points. First, I’ll concede that the winds may be at the Democrats’ backs this year, but most of that is a result of public disgust and disappointment with the GOP. Dems are clearly more popular than in previous years, but that’s probably because Republicans are doing such a bang-up job of making us look good.

Second, it’s true that the Dems’ policy agenda hasn’t gotten much in the way of ink, but does that really matter? As Tim Grieve noted, in the run-up to the 1994 elections, less than a third of the country have even heard of the Contract with America, and far fewer actually liked its tenets. It didn’t much matter. People wanted a change, so they voted for one.

And third, does the right really want to debate the merits of governing with a mandate? If memory serves, their guy came in second in a presidential election and governed as if he’d won 48 states. If Dems take control of Congress, questions about whether the party has a mandate will be laughable.

That doesn’t mean we won’t hear them, of course, but they’ll be pretty ridiculous.

I hope that the Dems realize that the time to ‘change the tone’ in Washington is after we win the House, the Senate and the White House. THEN we can be nice again, but not too nice.

Ds>Rs

  • If the Democrats win, it will have all the elements of a Forrest Gump victory.

    The sour graping begins.

    It has been a while since I saw the movie but didn’t Forrest wind up a millionaire that everyone loved? Wasn’t he a hero and all around good guy? Sane people would love a Forrest Gump over the current Monkey Chump.

    OT – CB I salute you for reading the WaTi. Please wash your hands after contact with that rag.

  • It’s really great to see Republicans drowning in their own vomit and bile. It couldn’t of happened to a nicer bunch of sanctimonious hypocrites.

  • The underlying message I suppose is that liberals can’t do anything with this win.

    Yah, right. Watch us pass media concentration laws that will make it a crime for Rev. Moon to own your dumbass paper WaTi.

    This is just Tony Blankley childishness.

  • Hannity: “Not having Pelosi as speaker is worth dying for…”

    Get ready for “The Colmes Show” on Nov 8th.

  • Chimpy having a mandate from 2004 was delusional. He and the Republicans, nevertheless acted as if they did; and, they were arrogant bastards. There are, however, priorities: Iraq, the budget, paying for Iraq and the WOT, and others. There will be plenty to straighten out.

  • BUSH: “There’s certainly a stepped up level of violence, and we’re heading into an election.”

    If that’s true, wouldn’t violence drop after Dems getting elected? That would mean Dems solved the Civil War merely by getting elected!

    Go Dems!

  • I want to see the expression on Hannity’s face when Speaker Nancy decides to “weaponize the gavel” against the barbarian minority that the GOP is about to become. I imagine he’ll look like someone just shot him in the face with a shotgun….

  • Madate is one of those terms that sounds quantitative but isn’t. Nevertheless, if Dems take both houses, I think that would qualify. That aside, you don’t need a mandate you need a majority. If the Dems can put together two reasonable and productive years, they’ll be fine in 08. If they can’t, they might at least make the Repubs look out of step with America. If they can do neither, they deserve to be a minority party.

  • Whaaaa Whaaa Whaaaaa! cried the big fat baby who wears ugly yellow ties.

    In a discussion with a Con friend of mine who was gloating about the 2004 US election, I mentioned to him that his American buddies better not fuck things up with their controlling all three branches of the Federal Government or they will live to regret it as they have no one else to blame but themselves. He said that there will be no problems, only success and glory thru the superior intellect and strength of the right wing. Till Aug 2005, it looked I was going to eat my words.

    Then a mad mother named Cindy Sheehan started the ball rolling and Karma did the rest.

    My friend won’t talk about American politics anymore.

  • Always the cynic, I am. My prediction….
    The Dems will win the House and Senate, and start to gather momentum.
    Bush freaks out, and declares a coup, enacts FEMA and declares martial law. Anyone who protests this is declared an enemy combatant. In the ensuing chaos, China calls in its’ debt and sets up shop in Washington, selling citizenship in the new Government for $200,000 a pop.
    Fox News welcomes the new regime, and becomes the only media allowed.
    The majority of Americans don’t realize this has happened for another 2 years, when they can no longer understand the TV commercials, because they are now in Mandarin.
    Anything is possible, in bizarro Bush world….

  • “If the Democrats win, it will have all the elements of a Forrest Gump victory. In other words, things swirling around them over which they were barely aware,” independent pollster John Zogby…

    Emphasis mine.

    Independent my ass.

  • My friend won’t talk about American politics anymore.
    Comment by Dan

    Hey neither will my in-laws. Family gatherings and random phone conversations are downright boring these days.

  • I think the Republicrooks aren’t really worrying about mandates, they’re worrying about subpoenas.

    I can easily see Cheney taking the fifth.

  • Actually, Zogby may have a point — though it means the opposite of what he thinks it does.

    I’ll certainly grant that the Dems, over the past 12 years, have collectively been a bunch of electoral bumblers, and in fact they haven’t been especially good about message-crafting or -discipline or -dissemination.

    And yet, despite all that, despite not having led the voting public, the Dems are enjoying the widespread inchoate support of the voting public.

    Doesn’t that fact, in and of itself, conclusively prove that the Dems do, in fact, have a mandate from the people?

  • “Doesn’t that fact, in and of itself, conclusively prove that the Dems do, in fact, have a mandate from the people?” – TCM

    Are you saying because the Dems have not been able to penetrate the MSM with one articulate policy statement that the vote of the public will give them the mandate to do whatever they like?

    Nice! (in the sick little voice the policemen used on Southpark last night)

  • Let’s not count our chickens yet (or “divide the bear’s pelt while’s still walking”, to use a Polish equivalent). We’re headed into heaps of trouble, according to today’s NYTimes:

    http://tinyurl.com/y6vn3w

    the whole article is worth reading but I found this tid-dbit particularly interesting:

    “In Maryland, Mississippi and Pennsylvania, a shortage of technicians has vendors for new machines soliciting applications for technical support workers on job Web sites like Monster.com. Ms. Oakley, who is also facing a shortage, raided the computer science department at the University of California, Davis, hiring 60 graduate students as troubleshooters.”

    Which makes one wonder… How trustworthy will those, hired at the last minute, techies be? Not regarding their techie credentials, but their political (or a-political) ones?

    “Arizona, California, Georgia, Indiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio and Pennsylvania are among the states considered most likely to experience difficulties, according to voting experts who have been tracking the technology and other election changes.”

    My state — Virginia — is not on the endangered list, but that’s not to say everything here will run smoothly. And given the prediction of untold lawsuits following the elections, it’s unlikely that anyone will know for sure “what gives” till way into January. Oh, happy days…

  • libra,

    If we all vote straight Democratic (one lever for old mechanical voting machines), the Diebold hackers will have work pretty damn hard to throw the results.

    PS – I used a iVotronic machine in the spring primary, so make sure that your voting is complete and accepted before walking away.

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