Marcotte resigns from Edwards campaign

I suppose, given the significance of this story here and elsewhere, I can’t very well let this go without commenting. I’m just not sure what I think about it.

Days after Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards decided against firing two liberal bloggers with a history of inflammatory writing, one resigned last night with a blast at “right wing shills” for driving her out of the campaign.

Amanda Marcotte, whose writings were assailed as anti-Catholic, wrote yesterday on her blog that the Edwards camp had accepted her resignation. She blamed her most vocal critic, Bill Donohoe, president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, writing that he “and his calvacade of right wing shills don’t respect that a mere woman like me could be hired for my skills, and pretended that John Edwards had to be held accountable for some of my personal, non-mainstream views on religious influence on politics,” which Marcotte described as being “anti-theocracy.”

Marcotte charged that Donohoe had been running a “scorched earth campaign” against her and that he “made no bones about the fact that his intent is to ‘silence’ me. . . . It was creating a situation where I felt that every time I coughed, I was risking the Edwards campaign. . . . Bill Donohue doesn’t speak for Catholics, he speaks for the right wing noise machine.”

The decision appeared to be motivated, in part, by a Pandagon post from Amanda wrote over the weekend — she continued to blog on her own site while working for the Edwards campaign — which touched on additional religious issues.

Amanda’s decision strikes me as the honorable thing to do. The Edwards campaign had decided, after some deliberation, to keep her in her position, but Amanda came to believe that she might become a distraction. Donohue and his allies weren’t going to let this go, so she put her campaign’s interests above her own.

I’ve been mulling over, however, how I’d divvy up the wins and losses here. It’s not altogether clear.

* Did Donohue win? I guess so. He wanted to take Amanda down, and sure enough, she’s not a part of the Edwards team anymore. Donohue clearly preferred to have her fired, but the end result seems to be the same.

* Did Edwards win? I’m pretty sure he didn’t. On the one hand, he stood by his bloggers and rebuffed the far-right demands. It took him a little while, but he made the right call. On the other hand, the Edwards campaign comes out of this looking disorganized, having hired bloggers without vetting them, and failing to prepare for the inevitable criticism. What’s more, Donohue & Co. won’t credit Edwards for dropping Amanda, even with her gone, because she wasn’t fired.

* Did the blogosphere win? I’m not sure. Progressive blogs rallied behind Amanda (and Melissa), and Edwards kept them on staff. That was good. Other campaigns (on both sides) have been watching the episode closely and may be hesitant to hire bloggers in the future. That’s bad. That said, as Kevin noted the other day, campaigns still want (need) help with the blogosphere, and the long-term outlook may be favorable: “[A]s more bloggers get hired by campaigns, the blogosphere will have less invested in each one. So sure, bloggers will get fired occasionally, just like other campaign staffers, but it won’t be that big a deal when there are dozens working for various campaigns instead of just two or three.”

Before we leave the story entirely, I should add one last thing: Amanda’s resignation has not satisfied Donohue at all. This morning he issued yet another press release, demanding that Edwards fire Melissa, and calling Amanda’s resignation “not enough.”

‘Round and ’round we go….

It might have been a problem for Marcotte to keep on blogging at Pandagon while being a paid staffer for Edwards as well, and she chose to leave on her own rather than deal with that situation.

  • She’s better off. If you have deeply felt things you wish to say, there’s no worse place on earth than somebody else’s political campaign.
    Edwards is still a weenie in this matter, however.

  • Did the first amendment win? Nope.

    This righties really took the pendulum of “political correctness” from the 90’s and made that territory their own. Now everyone fears the wrath of the right for any verbal misstep. Did I ever say f*ck in the past ten years and does that now disqualify me for a job if Bill Donohue finds out?

    The Dems need to figure out it’s a game of control and to begin to take the upper hand in controlling speech. Of course the right wing noise machine has the media in their favor at the moment.

  • Donohue may have won this round but I have a feeling that Amanda will win the war. Anyone who has read Amanda’s blog knows she is a bit of a firebrand. That is the problem, I guess. That and she drops “teh” F-bomb. My guess is that Pandagon readers will know everything there is to know about Donohue in the comming weeks and months. I think she will crusify him. He better not have an ongoing non-gay, gay relationship with a male prostitute.

  • I’m just glad my job doesn’t require that I abdicate my personal opinions while not at work.

    I’m also not sure who, if any, are winners in this, but I’d definitely count some first amendment rights as losers.

  • I think it’s cool that the WaPo included such lengthy excerpts of Amanda’s announcement. She said her peace, and people can judge for themselves if she’s a loose cannon or not.

    * Did Donohue win? I guess so. He wanted to take Amanda down…

    I doubt Donohue cared an iota about one li’l porn liberal. As evidence, you point to his not being satisfied with her resignation. The goal was to stick the “anti-Catholic” label to Edwards. Mission accomplished. His new name is John “anti-Catholic blogger” Edwards.

  • For what it’s worth, this is what we had suggested in our very first post on this topic. Marcotte’s posts were far more offensive than those of Ms. McEwan. Bill Donohue doesn’t speak for Catholics, and Amanda Marcotte doesn’t speak for liberals. Most liberals are tolerant (see our primer: How to talk about religion) decent and respectful people who want a civilized and thoughtful debate on the issues. This is not a question of Swiftboating, as some have suggested–the charges against John Kerry were false. No one has ever disputed that Marcotte wrote the posts in question. It doesn’t matter that the charges came from Donahue–at some point, they would have been used in an attack ad against Sen. Edwards.

    I have spent the past two years writing my blog and trying to do everything in my power to see that the 2008 election is not like the 2004 election–that Democrats lose because they are perceived as anti-religious. Marcotte’s resignation is a good start to not letting that happen again.

  • Amanda’s resignation has not satisfied Donohue at all. This morning he issued yet another press release, demanding that Edwards fire Melissa, and calling Amanda’s resignation “not enough.”

    This strikes me as no more than kicking a person when they’re down, and offends me deeply.

    I’m normally a fairly nice guy, and try to avoid falling into the trap of fighting fire with fire, vitriol with vitriol, dehumanizing people, and committing the same tactics and offenses that I make me hate the other side so strongly. But Bill Donahue just made me want to dive into that trap with zeal. I have never wanted to harass, DoS, or intimidate a person as much as I want to now. Anybody happen to know his personal phone number? I’ll probably won’t do anything with it, I’m much more likely to do nothing with it, but I very much want to see this guy burn in hell.

  • Just as rich politicians should put their money into blind trusts, bloggers should stop blogging on their personal blog if they’re working for a campaign.

    I suspect Amanda was somewhat shamed at having to issue that oh-so-poltical disclaimer after the flap. She was in danger of losing her credibility in the blogosphere.

    Practically, this is a good reason for maintaining anonymity in blogging. The American revolution era proselytizers often used pseudonyms for their physical safety. Now we use them for other forms of safety.

    To accuse Edwards’ campaign of being disorganized ignores the fact that it has only been going on for a month and that the election is still 18 months away. Of course it isn’t perfectly organized. Plus this is a unique situation in the history of campaigns. Precedents are being set.

    I think eventually candidates are going to have to take on the Right wing noise machine directly, naming names and educating the public.

    And that’s one disadvantage the Dems have. We are constantly having to educate the public while the Republicans just rile them up.

  • I would have thought this was obvious, but as seeing more than one comment erroneously pursue this point suggests otherwise, I feel compelled to point out that there is absolutely no First Amendment issue in anything that happened here. First of all, I should hope it’s clear that neither Bill Donohue, the Catholic League, nor the Edwards campaign are government entities, and therefore none of them are constrained by the First Amendment in the first place. Putting that aside, the freedom of speech most assuredly does not entail the freedom from criticism of one’s speech– Ms. Marcotte is free to state her opinions on Catholicism, and Mr. Donohue is free to voice his criticism of those opinions, and to urge Edwards to take action to distance his campaign from them. I rather suspect that, had Ms. Marcotte suddenly become an ardent supporter of the Iraq war in her Pandagon posts, no one here would have seen any First Amendment issues in calling for her ouster from the Edwards campaign. Finally, of course, there’s the fact that, while Edwards was perfectly free to fire Ms. Marcotte on the basis of the opinions she has expressed and the rhetoric she has employed in her blogging, she actually chose to resign. Putting all other problems with this argument aside, it’s hard to conceive of how Ms. Marcotte might be argued to have oppressed her own First Amendment rights.

    FP also makes a good point– even as a devout atheist, I found some of Ms. Marcotte’s rhetoric rather disturbingly intemperate. Edwards probably made the right decision in not firing her, but a better decision would have been to not hire her in the first place.

  • I’d say this is a draw, with two caveats:
    1) Bloggers are now an issue. This can cut both ways if people want to leverage it. The right has had raving lunatics in the blogosphere, but now Donohue has made them fair game.

    2) Donohue has helped rally the progressive netroots. I’m seeing some absolute SEETHING anger. If the netroots can rally to smack him down, then they can do it again – and again – if needed.

  • I saw this listing of the the Board of Advisors to the Catholic League in the comments in the Swampland blog, and went back to the Catholic League website so I could reproduce it here. I think it speaks for itself.

    Board of Advisors Board of Directors
    Brent Bozell III
    Gerard Bradley
    Linda Chavez
    Robert Destro
    Dinesh D’Souza
    Laura Garcia
    Robert George
    Mary Ann Glendon
    Dolores Grier
    Alan Keyes
    Stephen Krason
    Lawrence Kudlow
    Thomas Monaghan
    Michael Novak
    Kate O’Beirne
    Thomas Reeves
    Patrick Riley
    Robert Royal
    Russell Shaw
    William Simon, Jr.
    Paul Vitz
    George Weigel

    And they aren’t done – this is on their website today:

    February 13, 2007

    EDWARDS NEEDS TO CAN McEWAN

    Catholic League president Bill Donohue called on John Edwards to fire Melissa McEwan today:

    “It is not enough that one foul-mouthed anti-Christian bigot, Amanda Marcotte, has quit. Melissa McEwan must go as well. Either Edwards shows her the door or she bolts on her own. There is no third choice—the Catholic League will see to it that this issue won’t go away.

    “The Edwards campaign is in total disarray and the meltdown will continue unless McEwan is removed from his staff. The fact that Marcotte had to quit suggests that Edwards doesn’t have the guts to do what is morally right. He has one more chance—fire McEwan now

  • CB… perhaps, as a blogger yourself, you have placed rather more significance on this incident than it merits.

    Edwards has simply parted company with someone on his team who may have attracted adverse publicity. That’s basically all there is to this. It’s not a McGovern-Eagleton moment, its not a Swift-boating, it’s not even a flip-flop.

    It’s, to paraphrase Dear Leader, a comma in the election cycle. And the blogosphere… well it did win. Leading presidential candidates take quite seriously what they/you have written.

  • JD nailed in in #10. The main lesson is to look carefully at who you hire. If a big-name Republicrook hired a blogger who bashed black people as directly and forcefully as Marcotte did Catholics, someone from the left would surely go after them.

    The lesson to bloggers is that you can’t go around bashing a large group and liberally use Cheney-esque language in your insults, and expect to be hired by the folks who must run on the national stage. There’s never going to be a time where political candiudates and their staff can say exactly what they want to and “get away with it”.

    The views of Catholics have to be considered too, no matter how vehemently I oppose their doctrines. To do otherwise is to marginalize yourself and retire from effective political influence.

  • I have to say I was originally surprised that Marcotte was hired. While I’m in general agreement with her on issues, she sounds like another over excited college student who thinks her generation is the first to invent sex and sexual politics. And cool.

    I hope Elizabeth Edwards, the reputed blog fiend, was not the one who hired and vetted her…

  • James Dillon: “I rather suspect that, had Ms. Marcotte suddenly become an ardent supporter of the Iraq war in her Pandagon posts, no one here would have seen any First Amendment issues in calling for her ouster from the Edwards campaign.”

    As a hypothetical, that’s absurd. Would the left-o-sphere be abuzz if they discovered that an anti-war candidate’s blog coordinator posted daily on the topic of “Don’t leave til the job’s done!”? I just don’t see that happening (and not because such a person would never get such a job).

  • I’m actually not a fan of marcotte, but she didn’t smear catholics; she has critiqued points of catholic doctrine and belief, which isn’t the same thing.

    that said, i’d say the time has come for edwards to take a shot at donohue: i’d say reading his collected greatest hits should about do the trick, with no further comment necessary.

  • I suppose campaigns hiring blog talent is inevitable, but i’m not sure it is a good idea for either side. it may be in the future once campaigns are more used to electronic media, the public is more used to blogs, and “professional blogging” is more established and differentiated in the public’s (and MSM’s) mind from rabid high schoolers in their parents’ basement.

    right now it seems the trade-offs are too high. for instance, leftblogosphere correctly has kept alive any number of key anti-Bush issues (Downing Street, anyone?), often through heated invective — and good old fashioned muckraking. but the process of adding up votes – that is, campaigning – is inherently one of trying to not offend anyone. it is hard to remain credible as a blogger while being a campaigner; it is hard to run a typically safe-enough campaign while using commonplace blogging discourse which is often raw, emotional, impassioned and unfiltered. i’m not sure either side is served well by the required compromises.

    it may be better for campaigns to engage in outreach to the online community, pitching them like any other constituency and persuading them to be supportive without actually crossing the line and hiring. it may be better for bloggers to openly support who they please without becoming a formal part of a political campaign (ok, better except for the lack of revenue part).

    the whole episode raises some interesting questions.

  • Just a thought. If you feel persecuted about something and blog passionately about that something, you will get emails that support that sense of persecution thus reinforcing it.

  • #16 has it right. I like Amanda personally, but really. Blogging…the great equalizer! C’mon, a blog is a form field and a submit button. A friggin’ blogger choice is getting way too much scrutiny (of course that’s the blame of the right wing noise police, but blame can be shared by giving them an itch to scratch).

    Get an erudite, well-intentioned, and industrious college grad to help out. Established bloggers should be content with the good consulting money.

  • I think Amanda did the right and mature thing. I also think Edwards, Amanda and other Dems should follow the rule of “NEVER APOLOGIZE!”

    In this case, I think “IGNORE!” is a better course. Again, pick your fights. On a scale of 1 to 10, the Swiftboaters were a 9. The blogger fracas is a 2. Responding to Donohue, I think, just gives him visibility and maybe some misplaced credibility.

  • I find it odd that this affair was cast in terms of winners and losers from the very start — a perspective that, in my opinion, ratcheted passions and its importance to remarkable if not absurd heights.

  • it may be better for campaigns to engage in outreach to the online community, pitching them like any other constituency and persuading them to be supportive without actually crossing the line and hiring.

    Sounds like Hillary’s plans, at least as evidenced by her actions to date. Possibly Obama’s, but I haven’t seen much blog advertising/reach-out by his campaign.

  • one nice thing is that amanda will be able to continue to express her views without any form of censorship. that is a win for the blog community i think.

  • James Dillon,

    I find it disheartening that you limit your perspective of our rights to what’s written on a piece of paper.

    I find the notion depressing and limiting that one’s personal opinions expressed outside of the confines of the workplace would have a detrimental impact on that person’s employment.

    So, sure, you may be correct in your semantics. Legally, no First Amendment issues have been violated, but I’m not satisfied the day I see an American suffer adverse consequences because she committed the cardinal sin of having an opinion.

  • Racerx – If a big-name Republicrook hired a blogger who bashed black people as directly and forcefully as Marcotte did Catholics, someone from the left would surely go after them.

    Do black people choose to be black?

  • Just caught this on The Hotline’s Blogometer:

    …John McCain aide and Ankle Biting Pundits blogger Patrick Hynes…

    Could it possibly be true that Patrick Hynes never wrote something intemperate? It just seems so hard to believe. I can’t access his site from my workplace, but maybe someone can. Assuming he does have some unsavory tidbits on his blog, will the MSM respond accordingly? Will McCain and Hynes be subjected to the same treatment as Edwards and Marcotte? Somehow I doubt it. IOKIYAR, I suppose would be the rationale assuming there is any intemperate language on the Ankle Biting Pundits blog.

  • “What I regret is somebody ascribing to me, opinions and views that are not my views. Calling me an anti-Catholic bigot is not right.” Words from Amanda Marcotte? No, how about George Bush after his 2000 address at Bob Jones University. He seems to have gotten off just fine, and our buddy Bill Donohue said he didn’t think Bush was a bigot at all, he just “didn’t get it.”

    So I can’t wait to see Donohue go after the Republicans who make their election cycle pilgrimages to the vehemently anti- Catholic Bob Jones University or who bow down to James Dobson, on whose board of directors sits Al Mohler, famously quoted as saying, “I believe that the Roman church is a false church and it teaches a false gospel. And indeed, I believe that the pope himself holds a false and unbiblical office.”

    Eh, probably not. The fallout from Marcotte mania is the double standard that exist when criticizing Dems or Repubs. When will any heat come down on McCain’s choice for blogger Patrick Hynes? Why didn’t Donohue complain about Michelle Malkin, his fellow partner in crime in bloggergate, and her blatant racism and foul language?

    The difference between Marcotte and Bush? Well a right winger is by definition pro-Christian and their remarks and actions are just misunderstood. A lefty, by definition, hates people of religion and their remarks and actions make them the anti-Christ. The right wing noise machine worked to perfection again with its hypocrisy still intact.

  • Edo,

    re: Hynes. Glenn Greenwald, the Left-o-sphere’s ‘go to’ guy on this sort of counter-punching, went over Hynes’ posts with a fine-toothed comb. In the rather thin gruel of his counter-attack, the worst thing seems to be that Hynes once posted a picture of Henry Waxman in a caption contest and some of the responses could have been construed as anti-Semitic. And Hynes also made some reference to Romney’s Mormonism.

    Sorry I don’t have the link, but the master of Fighting Back Against the Right Wing Noise Machine has already given it his best.

    BTW, I found this post and most of the comments to be as reasonable a view of the Marcotte affair as I have found in the Left-o-sphere. Good job.

  • The Commissar,

    thanks for the response and concise summary of the situation. Would somebody please get Romney and Guiliani to hire someone from LGF or Powerline?

  • First of all, Donohue is a clown. Nobody takes him seriously. The fact that he skews toward the GOP is well-known. Are you also aware of his outrageous “blame the victim” defense of Deal Hudson, when the latter was accused of sexual harassment? See here: http://reasons-and-opinions.blogspot.com/2007/02/time-to-revisit-donohues-partisanship.html.

    But, I need to keep making this point: this has nothing to do with Donohue, and you guys need to realize this. It has everything to do with religious bigotry, and is a kick in the teeth to those of us who support progressive causes precisely because of our Catholic faith.

    Nobody has yet answered this question: if Marcotte had written what she did about Jews or Muslims, would the left have been so complacent? You and I know the answer to that one…

  • Edo,

    Not sure about Charles Johnson, nor the morons at Powerline, as being “offensive.”

    But several conservative bloggers pointed out Emperor Misha at Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler, noting that if any GOP presidential candidate had hired him, then that candidate would deserve to get rapped. Misha is generally considered to be the most extreme, “hateful and vile,” if you want, of well-known conservative bloggers.

    Perhaps here is a good place to ask a question that I’ve wondered (in hopes of getting a sincere answer). Is there any “reasonably well-known” Leftie blogger who is as regularly offensive, as inflammatory, etc. as Marcotte? (And, if not, can we presume that that’s what Edwards wanted?)

  • Morning’s Minion,

    Did you ever consider just supporting someone besides Edwards?

    This situation was not really a positive for Edwards and has probably diminished his chances of being the Democratic candidate.

    Isn’t that how the process is supposed to work?

    I continue to disagree with your premise that Donohue is somehow not at the core of this, and I’m not sure what else you want to happen. Do you want bloggers and commenters alike to mass condemn someone for writing their opinion? How oppressive.

    Marcotte can feel any way she likes and write anything she likes. If you don’t approve of Edwards hiring decisions, don’t vote for him in the primary.

    You say that Donohue is a clown and no one takes him seriously, but you’re wrong. Traditional media takes him seriously and has given him a forum to air his own brand of bigotry.

    I would be more offended by someone claiming to speak for me and misrepresenting me on national television, such as Donohue, than by someone who obviously disagrees with my belief system, no matter how viciously, but I’m not going to tell you how to feel.

  • The Commisar,

    Is there any “reasonably well-known” Leftie blogger who is as regularly offensive, as inflammatory, etc. as Marcotte? (And, if not, can we presume that that’s what Edwards wanted?)

    Can you clarify your question? I think you are missing a “…not as regularly offensive” or you need to modify your parenthetical question. Or I need to go back to school for grammer lessons. 😉

  • I hope the “winner” will be the hiring process of every serious campaign. I get the impression that “Hire a blogger” was on someone’s to do list and so they did it. With about as much thought as they would expend on going out for pizza. That seems incredibly stupid but this whole affair has a shallow idiocy to it that makes it all seem very unnecessary and the hiring process unprofessional and naive.

    Were they just going to hire some ragamuffin blogger and set ’em up in a corner and point out the blogger to visitors as their obligatory Net Emissary? If you’ve got the luxury of choosing your soldiers before heading into battle, I would think they could have chosen a better fit than Ms. Marcotte regardless of how stellar she might be in her own niche.

    The resident blogger is a serious communications position. Next to money, (sadly), what is more important than communications? Hopefully the whole episode will encourage campaigns to put some thought into what they want to say to the blogosphere and who can best help them shape that message.

  • ***Bill Donohue doesn’t speak for Catholics, and Amanda Marcotte doesn’t speak for liberals.***

    FP, you are entirely missing the point on this; the difference here is that while Amanda doesn’t suggest that she speaks for Liberals, Doughnut-hole clearly promotes the idea that he does, indeed, represent part of the Catholic voice. A lot of those “names” posted by Ethel-to-Tilly are also associated with the quasi-Reich-wing faction of the RCC that rejects Vatican-2 and lends support to their supposed “real Pope” who resides in a NW woods cabin/shack/bunker-thingie somewhere in Oregon or Washington State. Sort of a “bible-based Uni-Bomber mentality.” One can easily view this “league of extraordinary barn mice” as the precursor to an American Taliban, with an agenda of demoting the opinions and legal rights of women. They’ve been after Amanda—and other women who have been politically “outspoken”—for years now.

    They gripe about her using the F-word? What’s their opinion of Cheney throwing the same word around in the Senate? Ahhh—that’s an entirely different story—he’s a man; he’s a Republican; he’s the VP.

    In returning to the actual question, I’m going to have to say that the big winners here are Amanda and the First Amendment. Sure—she did “the right thing,” but she also took a path that few will choose these days—she chose “the right to free expression” over “the job.” That takes a special kind of fortitude that most LPs (Liberal/Progressives) no longer possess, and in that, she gives an even greater victory to the First Amendment itself.

    Losers? With everything pointing to Edwards having caved to Doughnut-hole and then trying to backpeddle his way into making things okay (sort of a “call the fire department today about your barn burning down day before yesterday” debacle), I’m going to have to say that the man’s probably lost my vote. I don’t need a President who’ll pull a knee-jerk type of stunt, and try to fix it by thinking AFTER reacting. We’re talking about a person who will have that “little red button of Armageddon” at his fingertips.

    Doughnut-hole loses here, as well. Had Amanda stayed within the confines of the campaign, she’d have been effectively “silenced.” Now, she’s out of the barn, out of the paddock, and she’s the proverbial “bull in the china shop.”

    And may the gods have mercy on Doughnut-hole and his league of extraordinary barn mice—because I doubt Amanda will….

  • Damn, the netroots are fucking gullible. This is amazing. This was so obviously the campaigns plan from the get go. The plan it took over a day to come up with. Defend the bloggers, that gets the netroots off our backs, then have the girls resign a week later to shut up Donahue. I’m amazed that everyone seems to be buying their story hook line and sinker.

  • Is there any “reasonably well-known” Leftie blogger who is as regularly offensive, as inflammatory, etc. as Marcotte? (And, if not, can we presume that that’s what Edwards wanted?)

    Since I’m not “well known” and will be shutting down shop in a few weeks — not that I know of.

    🙂

    Seriously, though, there aren’t a lot I can think of — most are snarky and occassionally drop an f-bomb, but for the most part, there aren’t a lot like Amanda.

    And I think you’re right — they wanted someone with an edge. I just don’t think they read enough of her posts and, thus, weren’t prepared for the criticism.

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