‘Mature’ people see ‘progress’ in Iraq

Reader L.G. alerted me to an interesting comment Brit Hume made yesterday on Fox News Sunday. Host Chris Wallace noted the deadly bombing in the parliament building inside the Green Zone and asked Hume if the violence “makes it awfully hard … to claim progress.” Hume, not surprisingly, didn’t see it that way. (from a Nexis transcript, no link available)

“I mean, people are citing the casualty figures. When you decide to fight — which is basically what’s happened here. We’ve decided to put the necessary troops into Baghdad to try to secure the capital in the hopes that that atmosphere created by doing that will allow political progress to go forward.

“There’s going to be more bloodshed when you do more fighting. And the enemy is not going to sit still and just take this. So the enemy is going to pull out all the stops.

“What we have is a situation where some people seem to be reading the newspapers every day, and if there’s a big episode it shows that the strategy is failing. That’s not a mature way to look at it. And we desperately need some people looking at this in a mature way right now.” (emphasis added)

Fascinating. If there’s less violence in Iraq, it’s progress. If there’s more violence, it’s still progress because the mature grown-ups know that unprecedented attacks inside the once-secure and heavily-fortified Green Zone are really just the enemy “pulling out all the stops.”

If we disagree, the problem isn’t just that we’re wrong, it’s that we’re childish. It’s as if the right is rewriting the rules for stages of grief — start with denial (“last throes”), move on to demagoguery (“critics are emboldening the terrorists”), and end up at misplaced, condescending arrogance (“That’s not a mature way to look at it”).

Of course, Hume has the story backwards.

John J. Sheehan, a retired Marine Corps general and former commander in chief of the Atlantic Command, explained this morning why he turned down the “war czar” position in the administration, highlighting what could be described as a problem with the administration’s “maturity.” When exploring whether to take the position, Sheehan found that “there is no agreed-upon strategic view of the Iraq problem or the region.”

There has to be linkage between short-term operations and strategic objectives that represent long-term U.S. and regional interests, such as assured access to energy resources and support for stable, Western-oriented countries. These interests will require a serious dialogue and partnership with countries that live in an increasingly dangerous neighborhood. We cannot “shorthand” this issue with concepts such as the “democratization of the region” or the constant refrain by a small but powerful group that we are going to “win,” even as “victory” is not defined or is frequently redefined.

It would have been a great honor to serve this nation again. But after thoughtful discussions with people both in and outside of this administration, I concluded that the current Washington decision-making process lacks a linkage to a broader view of the region and how the parts fit together strategically. We got it right during the early days of Afghanistan — and then lost focus. We have never gotten it right in Iraq.

The “small but powerful group” that Sheehan refers to, unfortunately, seems to be dictating Brit Hume’s talking points. “Mature” this is not.

Glenn Greenwald wasn’t referring to Hume specifically when he wrote this today, but it’s equally applicable.

[T]he Kagan/Kristol/Krauthammer war propagandists continue to say whatever they have to say in order to find a way to stay in Iraq forever. Our Serious Beltway pundits continue to embrace that reasoning because staying is the only way to avoid the reality of how wrong they were. And the disconnect between what Americans want and think, and what our government (and the “small but powerful” faction that controls it) does, continues to grow without any end in sight. On the most crucial issues faced by this country, nothing matters less to the Kagans and the Fred Hiatts (and, increasingly, to many disturbingly tepid Congressional Democrats) than the views of Americans. Within that disconnect lies most of the sicknesses ailing our political culture.

As it happens, I happen to agree with Hume’s sentiment; we do “desperately need some people looking at this in a mature way right now.” Alas, those calling the shots at the White House, and their sycophants, haven’t realized this yet.

  • In a post earlier today the Carpetbagger noted that a poll shows Fox viewers to be less well informed about the news than others. Hume illustrates why. According to Brit, “What we have is a situation where some people seem to be reading the newspapers every day, and if there’s a big episode it shows that the strategy is failing. ”

    It’s those damn newspaper readers that hate America! By reading news stories contrary to administration spin, citizens are allowing the “enemies” to win by reading and then thinking. For Brit, watching Fox and NOT thinking is the patriotic and “mature” thing to do. Brit’s definition of maturity is apparently sycophancy.

  • I remember, when we had the first attacks of the insurgency, Bush/Cheney said it was a sign of desperation because they saw the progress of the Americans. Then, it was evidence it was in its last throes.

  • I think Hume could seriously challenge Wallace for “Most condescending, arrogant, smug, prick on TV”. I literally taste bile anytime I see either one of them speaking.

  • You know what happens when some people get really, really mature?

    They get senile.

    OTOH, people like Robert Byrd can tell you what “maturity” looks like.

  • The kicker is that Hume gives his example of a mature assessment. And that would be John McCain’s absurd red meat, reality-challenged speech at VMI…

    And we desperately need some people looking at this in a mature way right now. McCain, I think, has set an example for that, because when you listen to the speech that he made, this is the judgment — it’s a very sober judgment, a very serious speech, probably the best speech that’s been made on Iraq, certainly this year and maybe in some time. And I think he is showing leadership.

  • Host Chris Wallace noted the deadly bombing in the parliament building inside the Green Zone…

    I see this going on McCain’s shoulders. Just makes me wonder if the Green Zone bombing was one of those “see how safe you are, MF” kinda things. Like when bush exhorted them to “bring it on”… and they did.

    Seems like everytime some idiot makes the sort of remark McCain made the insurgents have to come out and prove them wrong.

  • Uh-huh. Mature people also stick their fingers in their ears and chant “La la la I can’t heeeear youuuuu!” when presented with unpalatable facts.

    But I guess this is a step up from calling people who disagree America-hating terrorist coddlers.

  • “Mature!” Ha!

    Did anybody catch the sotry on FOX news yesterday morning about the boy fending off the coyote in his back yard?

    Fox news is into deep deep psy-ops. Deeper than is obvious.

  • That Hume is so mature and wise. How clever of him to remind us that of course the enemy is going to pull out all the stops. No doubt it’s a sign that they are in their last throes.

    I’m sure we’ve turned a corner.

  • I’m certain General Sheehan arrived at the position within the Marine Corps he did by demonstrating daily what an “immature jarhead” he always was.

    (/snark)

  • ” And we desperately need some people looking at this in a mature way right now.”

    “desperately” The wheels are coming off and they know it.
    This cornered criminal administration is about to pull out all the stops by attempting to hold onto power through increasingly desperate events.

  • We need a cut and run strategy that will rid us from the inanities, false perspectives and sycophantic behavior of our Washington pundits. Any suggestions? -Kevo

  • Hold on now, people; Brittany Humus might be on to something here. I’ll agree that Foxnoise has a “mature” audience…just as there is a “mature” rock next to the maple tree out in my front yard…and that the cornfield behind my house is just chock full of “mature” dirt…and the petroleum-based gasoline we have to buy from the oil companies is made from “mature” plants and animals.

    *Calling Tom’s (/snark) and raising him a ({[/snarkety-snark-snarkle]})….

  • I’m probably going to get hammered for this, but in general terms there’s some truth to Hume’s statement. When one side escalates, it’s not unreasonable to expect the other side to do the same in whatever way it can, be it an entrenched defense or a counter offensive.

    Lest there be any confusion, I was against invading Iraq before it started. I don’t think the “surge” is working nor do I think it will work. But there is a danger using one isolated event as indicative of success or failure. “Mature” minds would look at the larger effort, and that, I believe, is not working.

  • Maybe someone should read this to Hume(borrowed from Wikipedia- shoot me):

    “Many years ago there lived an emperor who was quite an average fairy tale ruler, with one exception: he cared much about his clothes. One day he heard from two swindlers named Guido and Luigi Farabutto that they could make the finest suit of clothes from the most beautiful cloth. This cloth, they said, also had the special capability that it was invisible to anyone who was either stupid or not fit for his position.

    Being a bit nervous about whether he himself would be able to see the cloth, the emperor first sent two of his trusted men to see it. Of course, neither would admit that they could not see the cloth and so praised it. All the townspeople had also heard of the cloth and were interested to learn how stupid their neighbors were.

    The emperor then allowed himself to be dressed in the clothes for a procession through town, never admitting that he was too unfit and stupid to see what he was wearing. He was afraid that the other people would think that he was stupid.

    Of course, all the townspeople wildly praised the magnificent clothes of the emperor, afraid to admit that they could not see them, until a small child said:

    “But he has nothing on!”

    This was whispered from person to person until everyone in the crowd was shouting that the emperor had nothing on. The emperor heard it and felt that they were correct, but held his head high and finished the procession.”

  • hume says, “What we have is a situation where some people seem to be reading the newspapers every day, and if there’s a big episode it shows that the strategy is failing. That’s not a mature way to look at it.”

    Well, that explains a lot. Mature people also read the newspapers every day and if they notice a cold day, that’s proof that global warming is a hoax.

    This post dovetails nicely with the one on fake news earlier in the day. If we count o’reilly and limbaugh as fake news too, then it appears more people get their news from fake news than “real” news.

    Ok, then.

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